posted Fri, 11/04/2016 - 11:13
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+ 2 another somastin hgh igf-1 bloodwork
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This is my last test of somastin.
Protocol 10iu morning empty stomach
About 6 months on hgh at 10iu
Igf-1: 238 Last month 230
Hgh : 28 Last month 36
. No antiestrogen or AI. Same protocol like last time.
5iu morning.
5iu afternoon after train.
Ordered from:
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swoller87Are u running any anabolics?
Yes. Right now 500mg test enanthate per week.
saffiresame with me bro,but i was using "pharma" genotropin igf was only 200 and gh serum about 15 at 8iu/day
Gh serum only 15??????
What was your bloodwork protocol?
The first time i did the test i wait 3,5hour and the gh serum was 0,4.
The next times i wait 2,5hours and the gh serum was ok.
maybe the "problem" is less time between gh pin and test...
saffirebloodwork protocol -> 10ius in right deltoid IM , 3 hours later blood draw
Are you using t4? Should be...
Yes. I use hgh with 175mcg now
I used without too, and with 100mcg.
No changes in the igf-1 levels using it or not.
If blood work calls for it. Otherwise it's more of a myth than anything
Yes.
When i used hgh without t4 my thiroid levels indicated hipotiroidismo.
Now with 175mcg t4 is on range
https://thinksteroids.com/articles/thyroid-hormone-growth-hormone/
Lots of good info, check it out, doesn't seem like much of a myth after reading
(Not sure about that article)
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/t4-hgh-off-test-cycle-advisa...
Dr Rand McClain:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uESDM-qSssg
"Replacement" dose - T3/T4 Vs "Supplement" dosing T3 (Cytomel) fat burning
Good watch
Another good watch: (Dave Palumbo/ John Romano)
The entire video is good B (T3/T4 discussion starts at 21:30)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ztdUEZ7GA9Q
Taking HGH doesn't automatically require taking more drugs
Similar to all these "Cycle Gurus" stating drugs like proviron, arimidex (ai), caber are automatically necessary without even doing bloodwork
Exactly! 9 out of 10 times that I'm told something I say where did you learn that from? And then the person response is I read it on the Internet LOL. Then I will ask if they have blood work to back it up and they say no I read it on the Internet....
I've read it and a couple others supporting it. But honestly, I've read more articles/studies against it. After my blood work I dropped it and things went back to normal. i'm not saying it doesn't benefit or help some people. I'm just saying I'm a big believer in doing bloodwork first and then adjusting things in my body like estrogen, testosterone and even thyroid hormones. So I don't like it when guys instantly just take T3 or T4 assuming they need it because they read someone else did it on the Internet.
I was running the somastim at 4iu ed and had an igf1 of nearly 500....my baseline was around 240 give or take a few
All your igf1 tests seems like natty numbers...try stopping gh completely and retest?
Yes. I stopped hgh for 15days.
Iam going to see what is my natural igf level.
ls 15 days enough?
Try a different brand (preferably a legit PHARMA product) for comparison
15 days should be ok because you have not increased your IGF1 above the 'normal' range
Yes. I will do it.
I know it is legit because a have strong sides .
Damn bro. +1 not only for posting the bloods, but for those deep pockets as well.
ZandaFirst, +1 for doing your testing and sharing with the community. Just so I understand, was it a IM 10iu delt injection? how long before the test?
At 10ius/day for 6 months - in the last 4 weeks you've elevated a total of 8 points on your IGF-1 # (230-238).
Am I missing something here cuz your GH serum levels are nice and high. Seems to be high gh serum but low IGF-1 relative to the dose.
No AI. Have you had any bloodwork done to see where you stand with liver values, etc. could be many reasons for this outcome.
10iu IM 2,5hours before bloodwork empty stomach.
(You don't need to be on empty stomach if gh is exogenous, endogenous or peptides you must)
Liver values are ok in range.
27/07/16 igf 316 (3,5hours before bloodwork)
Gh 0,40 (10iu )
04/08/16 igf 226,9 (2,5hours before bloodwork )
Gh 70,81 (15iu )
10/09/16 igf 230,8 (2,5hours before bloodwork )
Gh 36,86 (10iu)
11/10/16 igf 238,5 (2,5hours before bloodwork )
Gh 28,86 (10iu )
I don't know any reason about low igf-1
Iam going to stop 15days and start again or change of brand.
ZandaThanks for this ... helps a little. Btw- 15iu/day wow I cudnt afford that lol
Something is going on here, not sure maybe somebody else can chime in - that's a pretty consistent pattern tho there as you've presented each month. GH serums are consistently elevated and correlated with dose for the most part but that IGF is pretty flat. Might not be the product....
I think you're right Z.
I'd like to see him use another product (PHARMA) for comparison IGF1
Did you have your baseline done?
Nooo this is my mistake...
maybe my endogenous igf-1 is very low....