Experience with Masteron?
So I have been doing research on Masteron and I am considering adding it to the end of a future cutting cycle. I was just wondering if any of the vets here could give any insight or share their experience?
I was thinking a low dose of test to maintain and anabolic state (250-300mg) used in conjunction with an androgenic compound like Masteron for muscle hardening effects (300-400mg), in conjunction with a carb cycling diet would help with getting a leaner, harder looking physique. I am not especially concerned with bodybuilding or competition, I would like to be able to maintain a relatively lean physique in the 242lb weight class. Ideal goal is 240ish at 10%-12% bf.
In the past, when cutting down I have always seemed to have trouble achieving that lean, hard look. Even at 10% bf, my muscles appeared soft and I held a lot of subcutaneous water and lower belly fat. I am assuming this is both genetic and due to flaws in diet (not enough water intake, too much sodium etc).
Side effects?
I was never prone to acne but by week 7 of my first test only cycle, I blew up with acne like never before and it took the rest of the cycle to dial in my AI. I understand that Masteron is a DHT compound and could make this even worse? I started losing my hair in my mid twenties and have been shaving my head since so I am not especially concerned with hair loss. Also, I have heard that Mast can cause increased aggression?- I am usually a pretty laid back guy and did not experience the "roid rage" phenomenon, in fact I seemed to be a much more pleasant person on cycle.
Does anyone have experience with the above on Masteron? Are there ancillaries in addition to AI that I should consider? Any other health markers that should be monitored while on cycle? Any help is greatly appreciated. Like I said, this is just in the research phase and I am looking for personal experience.
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Testrogen_PropC...I'm on Mast Prop right now. In my experience Masteron isn't one of those roids that gives an insane amount of results. If you're already lean it will make you harder and grainier though, like 300 savage said. I stack it with Test and Tren to get those "crazy" results. But if you aren't necessarily ready for tren, higher dosed var seems to somewhat mimic the effects of tren without the crazy sides.
If you want to run strictly Test and Mast, I would raise the test to at least 500/wk and monitor estro/bloat with bloodwork/A.I. In my opinion 300/wk test and 300 Mast is going to give a somewhat low yield of results, unless you naturally have low test then you might blow up a bit. I can tell you I wouldn't currently though on that "blast"
Thanks for the info. The low dose test was just to maintain the muscle during the cut, not to grow. I get pretty serious estro sides in the 500mg range so I figured that wasn't worth it if I wasn't gaining. So in your opinion, Mast probably isn't worth it without being part of a stack and only at a low bf%? Not ready for Tren but I will definitely look into Anavar as I've heard it is really mild on sides.
Thanks again.
Testrogen_PropC...No problem brother. Yeah I would definitely add another compound with the Mast, with Test at 300/wk. If you figure natural test levels would be around 100-150mg a week, and Masteron is somewhat "weak" comparitively speaking by itself on an anabolic/androgenic scale, I think you'd really benefit by adding var or another compound that's good in a cutting scenario. Mast is really one of those drugs that should be stacked with another compound IMO. Mast is pretty much an "icing on the cake" compound (assuming you're lean)
This is interesting. 10% is a pretty low BF and things should definitely be popping at that level. My first thought is that you weren't 10% BF and likely quite a bit higher. How did you come up with that 10%. The other side of the coin here is that to get to that low of BF you likely are limiting carbs and this is automatically going to carry with it a flat look. Not sure why you would be carrying alot of subq water at that bf level unless you are using some wet compounds during a cycle or you are just not drinking enough. Belly fat is the last to go on me so even at 10% I still have what looks like gut but I am still hard and vascular everywhere else.
Those measurements were from two different calipers, no idea how accurate they were. I am pretty sure that it was poor diet, not enough water, and long term low carbs. That was the end of my first diet before I really had started lifting heavy consistently. I looked more like an endurance athlete than a bodybuilder. I hadn't built a proper base to have a decent physique -my body was in starvation mode, muscles look flat, and I was probably holding water from not drinking enough water. Belly fat is a bastard, I never seem to lose it.
300 SavageReally depends on the quality of the masteron..I have had some masteron where 300mgs was perfect..and some where had to up it to 500mgs for desired look.Great masteron will make you very hard and grainy..also I notice with the better masteron I have used I urinate a lot..I personally have not had an issue with losing hair while on masteron..But everyone is different..
Thanks savage, what was your bf% while on Mast?
300 SavageSo many different times I have run..But my 1st time I was about 16% and the effects from the masteron were amazing..All these people say you dont see any changes with higher body fat..NOT TRUE AT ALL..
But of course if you have lower fat..you will notice faster..
Rustyhooker^^^^^^bingo
In a nutshell you are not dieting hard enough to get that lean look. 10-12% may not be enough for you to achieve that look. Or you may just not be honestly at 10%. When you're near the 10% post up a pic and your current diet and we'll help dial you in further.
Also when low carb keep your sodium and water high to keep a fuller look. Consider proviron first before Mast.
Thanks for the info. Will look into Proviron.
My first thought also.
Unless your lean, already 10% or lower body fat. Mast really won't do much as far as muscle appreance goes. It won't aid in leaning you out either. That starts in the kitchen. Mast is really more of finishing compound. I've never really noticed a huge change from it.
Mast is pretty much a one trick pony in my book also. I wouldn't bother using it until you are at the appropriate BF where you can appreciate the look it gives.
I have always been to fat when I've run mast to really see what mast can do. I dislike how dry feeling my joints feel on mast. Funny thing is guys swear by it as an ai. I totally disagree with mast as an ai. It seems to mimick an ai. My e2 has been high while running it yet it feels like it's really low. Ai'S are much cheaper and work! IMO their are much better compounds out there for the money. I had to experiment with it on my own. Unless I'm planning to compete, mast won't be in any of my future cycles.
I wouldn't rely on it for an ai unless you really stay on top of bloodwork to monitor how it affects your estro. Some people can get away with using it as sole ai, especially with lower test amounts, but I think the gyno bug has bit a lot of people thinking they could get away with using it as their ai.
RustyhookerCurrent stats? Priors?
Hey Rusty.
Just finished first test only bulk - Test E 500mg/ wk
Current Stats:
35 y/o
6'1"
250lbs
18% bf
Plan on maintenance diet for a couple months through PCT and then a slow cut and then a cutting cycle to finish off. I was just doing research for my next cycle.
RustyhookerThe food gurus are best on those answers. Carbs keeps us full feeling/pumped. Cutting is always a chore.
Mast kept me feeling solid. But npp gave me an all day pump feeling. Some folks cut while on lower dose of npp, I've not tried that yet.
Anyways, last cycle I ran test at 750 and mast e at 400. It was very strong on keeping me dry. 300 imo would have been better. I've run it higher too but slowly finding a good dose for me. Bloods will be your best on dialing in ai as/if needed. When the mast kicks in I'll drop water quickly. Then I see slow gains on the scale but it's solid. As long as foods and gym dictate.
Old favorite cutter was prop/mast/var. I'm sure it's a ton easier on pins with long esters. Like 600 test, 300 mast and 50 anavar (last 6 weeks to pct).
Water....look in general forums and see the Viking tribute post. Vitamin c is awesome for water control.
There's also a sticky on npp and cutting in anabolic forums. Just ideas to broaden horizons.
Var....bumps up my strength and kills appetite. Doesn't mess up my joints. And good pumps.
Look up saw palmetto when running dht compounds. Keep that prostate healthy. Hydrate well.
Food is the hard part. Gear is gear. Hope that helps!
Much appreciated Rusty! As always, your info is on point and gives me a lot to consider.
I will look into NPP and Anavar as well.
I agree, cutting is just awful. I hate looking flat and watching my strength dip, it just becomes no fun to train. I was hoping that AAS would give me a little edge to maintain strength once I start approaching the 12% bf mark where i usually see my strength go into the toilet.
Thanks again!
Hey mechanic i ran 4 years back winny 50 mg Ed ,master /prop blend at 100 mg ea EOD for about 6 weeks tail end of my bulk cycle i will tell you hair def got thin and i never got acne ever on a cycle but def got breakout back of arms and back and not small one like the big lumps that fuckin hurt like hell.The results were unreal for definition.I also ran nolva low dise 20 mg ed while on it.There are alot of positives libido went threw the roof aggression was there but nothing u cant burn off at the gym not uncontroled.i had worse by far aggression on tren A or a50. Me personal now i prefer legit proviron at 50 mg a day like i said legit proviron i had bunk shit but now see the diffrence in legit version similar gains not as many sides for me
Off my bulk i was weighing around 220 at 14% bf after starting my cutting phase w what i stated above i got down in 6 weeks 208 was sitting at around 8% fluctuated between 8 %to10% bf but was very happy seeing the definition that came in.It was not for comp or anything cut for a vacation and just to see what body could do so wasntvsuper strict on diet cheated hete n there but def did the trick