Need Advice (only from experience users)
I'm cruising on trt test Cyp 80mg pw. I added t3 at 50mcg a day 3 weeks ago and recently went up to 100mcg of t3.
Body is handling it well. No loss in muscle I feel the 5lbs weight loss. The weight loss is slow so I'm losing fat and I wanted to incorporate 2iu of hgh pd. Winny at 50mg for 6 weeks and then after 8 weeks off winny I want to do anavar.
This will be the first time running winny. I don't know what to expect. Don't know how my body will handle winny. The other compounds I have already ran.
For those that will say up the test cyp, I will not consider it my body responds well to this dose and I'm not interested in gaining a lot of mass. I want dry solid gains. My weight is down to 255.8lbs I don't mind going to 235lb dry. I will not alter my diet as its not needed.
Any advice from the pros. Besides the regular t3 and t4 argument of t3 danger. If I feel muscle is lossed I will lower t3 and up test to 100-150mg if needed. Labs are good. Hematocrit was borderline I will donate 2pints next week
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T3 is for lazy folk and poses extreme danger as users have shown below, and winny is somewhat of an outdated substance that will cause you a lot of pain if misused or used at all. I would ditch the idea of using either.
The idea of adding winny is officially of the table. I had my droughts in it from the start even after I ordered it. Thanks for you opinion
So you are looking for advice as long as it's what you want to hear? Fantastic! I can totally tell you what you want to hear without hurting your feelings. I'm totally going to co-sign whatever you want!
So Yeah bro the winny and the t3 is an awesome idea, I would totally not up your test dose no matter what anyone says and that winny...its not going to dry you out or lock you up so don't listen to anyone who tells you different. I'm positive that the t3 is totally what you need to keep up with the pros.
Yeah bro t3, t4, . DN*....wink wink. It's all for you bro I mean pro.
Hope that helps. You are the awesomest ever!
Anything else you want to hear bro?
I got you!
Lol. Thanks bro
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Don't do it. It's not worth it. I have and I've paid the price. And I was using it because I was running tren and had borderline low t3 levels. Finished my cycle and came of the t3 and thyroid didn't function properly anymore. It's slowly recovered 18 months later and I'm now have borderline hypothyroidism. GP suspect I'll need to go on meds permanently at some point. I'm hoping to avoid it. I thought I had a legitimate reason to use it. In hindsight I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
So user beware. Listen to the guys below and me. This stuff is not to be messed with.
Yeah? Wow. Let me throw my 2 cents in. Bro, unless there is something wrong with your thyroid function, you don't need T3 to lean out.
Why are you resorting to T3? You must be having some sort of trouble losing fat? Or?
It's just a bit drastic bro. People don't take drastic measures for no reason.
I will give you a plus one. My weight has been steady and I have changed my diet 4 times. I want to go for a show next year and want to be in my best leanest shape. The last time I hit my goal was 5 years ago on tren. I just hate the way tren makes me feel
Have you done a thyroid panel with your blood work to check your thyroid? If your thyroid is normal, then (speaking at 100,000 feet here) are you taking anything that requires your liver's "full attention." Could even be Rx meds.
If your liver is fully engaged in processing out toxins from your body, your ability to oxidize and burn up fat will be compromised.
If your not taking anything that is putting excessive demands on your liver, then I would work with Cat in his diet clinic.
Have you tried a keto diet without cheating? You've got to man up for keto to get through the first few weeks while your metabolism switches over from glycolysis to ketosis but once you're past that you will burn fat.
Thyroid was normal. Toward the midlower end. I tried keto but not with out the cheat. I even tried the juice diet for a month. That sucked... ....
I'll lower the t3 to half this week and to 25mcg the following week. I'll try the keto with out the cheat for a month and see where it takes me. I want to see how my body comes out before prepping my ideal routine to start going rally hard in November so that buy August I'll be at my peek for the show.
Bro, side note. Please, please, please get yourself a good prep coach. I don't know why, it's strange, but I got this eerie feeling you're gonna try to step on stage by yourself. Don't do it man, just don't.
I will not step on stage by my self. I will be caoched by my wife cuz thats a pro. I'll take pointers from one of my friends competing this month. I won't jump blind.
I'm getting mix signals from two of my guys and hence my hesitation. I won't step on stage without a coach.
Well for one... I hope your not running test cyp for prepping for a show... I would suggest a shorter ester like prop. Also running that low of test and on that high of a dose of T3 you will burn a shit ton of muscle! I would wing yourself off and try something else like Clen for 2 weeks then ephedrine for the 2 Weeks your not taking clen and switch back and forth for your prep.
Near the show I'll come off my script cyp and go with test no esther
Bro, you need a real prep cycle custom built for your situation. Send me a PM.
+1 I was thinking the same!
Your going to inject twice a day? How far out from the comp will you do this?
Good deal bro. I have a soft spot obviously for guys that compete. So hard, so very hard, so much work. I just want you to be successful.
Bro, you will actually have plenty of energy on keto. The human body does not need carbs to run. 50,000-100,000 years ago all they had to eat most of the year was the kill - protein and fat. Carbs were available on plants and trees in the spring and summer only. The brain can run on ketones.
My problem is not energy. But point taken. I started the keto today.
Keep me in the loop bro. No reason why this shouldn't work.
I will. thanks gearhead for the help.
"Any advice from the pros. Besides the regular t3 and t4 argument of t3 danger. If I feel muscle is lossed I will lower t3 and up test to 100-150mg if needed"
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I'm dead set on running this and don't careven about anything just tell me if I'm doing it right or if there's anything else I need. Smfh
By the time you start losing muscle from t3 and thyroid meds it's too late. The thyroid is like a furnace once the fire is stoked and the flames are high it's over. Fuck your thyroid up and you'll really love life.
I have nothing to add to this shit.
Richard.SimmonsRight On !! +2
I'm not seeing his point in running Winny?? Winny just drys me out or locks me up which ever one comes first. I don't think I'll ever run Winny and GH together again. T3 never liked it. There's also the dangers D*P which I'll never take and don't under stand taking that poison. T3 is nothing to mess I know a few that never recovered from T3.
I would never consider Dp that stuff was never intended for humans if I recall in the little reasrch I did on it. It's considered and explosve
Well you know how people think. They think because they had friends who ran it that they will be fine. The thought never crosses their minds that their friends shit couldve been junk or that everyone is different and what worked for one very likely won't work for another.
I've seen people tank their thyroid and get fat as shit and are now medicated for life.
I have a few friends that ran t3 with excellent results and good recoveryi will say everyone is different and I'm not them.
I'm set on running this cycle the t3 is already in my system. I had my few dances with the devil but I'm cautious. I'm taking advice from 3 pro ifbb guys I know. It took me 5 years to even work the nerves to take it. I don't respond well to similar products. I'm prepping my self to do a show next year around this time.
My real concern is the joint dryness stalling my gym time. My doctor will monitor the rbc, cholesterol thyroid kidney and liver. If she gets to concerned I will stop. Have you ever ran all the compounds together. If you have Pm
RustyhookerI'm set on running this cycle the t3 is already in my system. I had my few dances with the devil but I'm cautious. I'm taking advice from 3 pro ifbb guys I know. It took me 5 years to even work the nerves to take it
Then why are you asking? You know you're fucked over the smallest slip. Eca, albuterol, etc was a better choice. You know you're effing up or wouldn't have posted this.
Too harsh? Tough
I love hearing from you rusty. You always been blunt with me..... I'm asking to see if anyone has used all these together I have not come across one post that incorporates all. One of the guys I know ran it and had some nice results. I understand everyone is different and probably won't get similar results but who know, I was hoping some one here ran it.
Thanks for taking the time out to reply. I think after all I'll lower the t3 to half and stay on for 2 more weeks. Scrap the winny idea. I wanted to trow it in to see what results it would bear.
RustyhookerBe safe sir. That's all any of us can do
bigmurphIf 80 mg is your sweet spot thats great. I agree less is more sometimes and if it works for you stick with it.
The t3 t4 I can't endorse I think that there are other ways that you can drop bf% safer but its your choice of course. The winny I to myself have wanted to run it but when I hear about how dry your joints get thats what stops me from running it. My joints already hurt after a hard workout so thats really it. Maybe if you can run your test low you can also run the winny low so that the sides aren't as bad.
Thanks for the reply brother.
The joints is my worry. I'm loading up on cicuss and glucosamine. But I worry it might not be enough. Looking to see if there are some winny pros that ran similar cycles. See if there any tips that are not widely used on joints dryness.
bigmurphFrom what I was told by guys with inj winny and oral winny experience is it works great it just makes your joints feel like shit he actually did the whole glucosamine and other joint relief he said its just what winny does. I don't recommend it but running a form of Nandrolone would probably be the only time I would run winny. Even then it might be rough.
Not considering nandrolone but I honestly value your opinion and concern over t3
What advice are you looking for? You seem pretty set in your plan. In regards to the winny I'm sure you've researched what to basically expect, only thing left to do is run it like you want and see how you respond.
Thanks for the reply brother.
I'm looking for advice mostly on the winny joint dryness and also to see if people have ran this combination and ran into some sort of issue. I'm thinking of starting winny at 25mg for a week and if all goes well up it to 50mg for 5 week then drop it to let the cholesterol recover. I have researched winny for 3 years read a lot of cycle logs on it.
But everyone is different.
If I go over 50mg winny my joints start to feel it but anything under that I'm good. Not a big fan of winny in general but everyone is different.