Pin size for newbies
Just found this thought it might be useful to some people
There are several preferences when it comes to pin sizes. Some will prefer 23g all around, some will go with 1" all around. Some even prefer to use insulin pins all around. All of these will get the compound into the muscle, if used properly. Below are my recommendations for the beginner that is still trying to adapt and learn their body.
Gauge Sizes
The gauge size determines the flow rate of the injection compound. The larger the hole, the faster the flow rate. The faster the flow rate, the quicker it enters the muscle and the greater chance of it to sit in one spot. Reducing the speed of the flow, either with the plunger or the pin size, will allow for the compound to spread out more evenly. For the beginner, this is important because you are injecting a foreign material into the body and the body is not used to seeing this. Therefore the likelihood of experiencing PIP is higher for you than a more experienced person. You don't have to time it, but a flow rate of approx. 30 sec per cc would significantly help reduce PIP.
Pin Sizes
The pin size matters depending on the muscle being injected. The glutes are the largest that you will inject, but they are also the deepest. Even in a fairly lean individual, a layer of fat must be penetrated prior to entering the muscle. Ideally, you should try to get towards the center of the muscle being injected. This is where the pin length comes into play. Smaller muscles and those with less fatty tissue can be injected with shorter pins.
Glutes: 25g, 1.5"
Quads: 25g, 1"
Delts: 25g, 1"
Note: I chose 25g for the first timer because it will help to control the flow rate to a point that will help to reduce the PIP for you. Otherwise, 23g could be used for quads and glutes.
Injection Amount
The larger the muscle, the greater the amount of liquids it can hold. Likewise, the smaller the muscle, the lesser amount it is capable of sustaining.
Glutes: 5cc
Quads: 3cc
Deltoids: 1cc
Site Locations & Rotations
When you begin EOD pinning, you're going to want to rotate your injection sites in a manner that allows each pinned muscle time to rest and recover from the stress caused by introducing the foreign matter. This means to avoid pinning the same muscle twice in one week. With good rotation of just glutes, quads, and delts, on a basic cycle with a prop taper and/or kicker, you can accomplish this. This link is a good resource for you to learn site locations:
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Just ordered a box of 30g slin pins..ill use the 23g in the glutes just every other rotation be hit with 30g..had slin pin the other nite..like butter..non pip at all on a fresh site aswell..compound im sure played that part but so easy in..
Even when there was no net rife with aas info..id go get a steroid needle pack where ever it was available to get for free..and the chick would explain 18g for draw and 22-23g to inject..lucky!
Also ive always slowly hit up 2mls in my delt..SLOWLY being the key word aswell as letting it sit after for 30secs so it can dispurse,then taking it out...very rarely have oil shoot out or blood..massaging it in and all around for a further 30 sec.never no drama..but thats just me..
I remember reading somewhere u shouldn't massage afterwards? ?
frankiestaffordI don't like massaging if I've pinned tren as I will more than likely get tren cough
It only if it gets in to your blood massaging shouldn't make any difference tren a will sting like shit if you massage it but lol
i always aspirate a small air bubbles worth..
then POW...massaging it helps the slight pain of it i find..never had tren cough...had heaps of prop chem in the back of my throat..that oils in fkn everything
Hasnt faultered once..
Lol my first 3 courses i ever had when i was about 20-21 involved injectable stan in water. . if i used anything smaller than a #21 the Stan would block up the pin so had to use a 21 gauge and when i ran out swapped to the big Brown 18or19 gauge one's (no internet forum for help back then). That's half the reason i hate the under 25yr old bashing here. If i was a member of a forum like this i probably wouldn't have put holes all over me from what felt like a garden hose lol. Took me a year or 2 after taking gear that i even found out that 25 gauge were even available
Hi Bigboost,
Thanks very much for sharing this. Im new to the board and I am doing as much research as I can before taking the plunge into the dark side
Posts like this are a great help. In fact, while I've found lots of information on compounds and cycles, i haven't stumbled on a lot of info on how to inject. I really appreciate you sharing this.
A quick query about something you mention. When you say:
"Glutes: 25g, 1.5"
Quads: 25g, 1"
Delts: 25g, 1"
Does the "1.5" or 1" mean that the pin goes one inch into the skin?
Very informative. I'm still researching aas and plan to hop on perhaps in the next 12-18 months. Right now I'm making sure that I'll be full bottle when it comes time to pin. Been lifting for 10 years and feel like I'm at that point where I'm plateauing with the natural hormones god gave me - but I'm in no rush to get on the gear until I know exactly what I'm doing.
That's the length of the pin so if you stick it all the way in technically yes!