Epo and Beta blockers
I experience elvated BP while on EPO, couple days after injection it drops down to 99/66, but after another injection it goes up to around 125/70, sometimes bit higher. Its a really anoying feeling, i can feel my polse in my chest and head when im trying to sleep.
When i excercise it makes me dizzy,blurs vision and out of breath. Im an distance athlete so its not like i can take a break. .
I was wondering if beta blockers like, Propranolol is an good mix together with EPO.
Edited the post becouse, just after running a bit its spikes but not as high as mentioned before/ 120/100 pulse below 60
Im very sensitive for high BP, basicly evrything spikes my BP, even weed... so im just looking for something that mixes well with erytropoëtin...
Im well awere of the negative side effects and the deaths occured in the 90's by cyclist who were pusing their HB into high 60%
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Brother, it's incredible how differently we all respond to certain things, yet how the problems are all the same, regardless of WHY. High blood pressure is BAD FUCKING NEWS. It was a smart decision for your long term health to stop using EPO.
Keep learning and sharing. If anyone is searching for the term "EPO" then this post will come up and your warning will be there to be shared with them. Thank you for adding your voice to eroids!
Sounds like your synthetic erythropoietin dose is too high. And, EPO with a beta blocker could actually cause an aneurysm in your circulatory system! Keep it up and you will be in an ICU/CCU on a ventilator wishing you didnt fuck with either.
On your CBC, what is your RBC count, pre and post administration and at what dose? You posted Hgb/Hct levels down below....looks like your Hct is 55%. If your Hgb is 10, do you mean g/dL? Since you posted it, you should clarify between mmol/L and g/dL because a Hgb level of 10 indicates anemia for a male, as well as, a female. And it doesnt make sense if you are using EPO.
When you are beta blocked, either by propanolol, metoprolol, or atenolol, the drug causes your heart to beat at a certain rate, for example 70, which will actually increase your stroke volume and helps you conserve oxygen and energy making you run longer if you have a decent pace along with proper training. Your heartrate is already 60, which is pushing high-end bradycardia...i can only imagine what lowering your heart down some more will make you feel like...most runner's heart rates are low anyway and the majority are brady.
Formula for Cardiac Output is Heart Rate x Stroke Volume...so.. CO = HR x SV.
The signs and symptoms you are experiencing make me want to hypothesize and say you are using both drugs and askin us if its okay....or you want us to tell you how to make both of those drugs work together to be effective with minimal side effects and adverse reactions. If thats the case, then this forum is way over your head and out of your range for using drugs like that to get results.
At least stop the drug(s) and get a grasp on your goals. Research a lot more and talk to a Internal Med doc, or a Cardoiologist before continuing. Too many complications exist that cant be discussed here.
yeah i already stopped, EPO, i did some reading and beta blockers arent not the best option eventho they have been used together with EPO in some studies.
Hemoglobin is 10.6 mmol/l so 17 g/dl
Apparently hypertension occurs in one third of the users often after 8 weeks, it happend to me after 4-5 weeks.
I did use it before but never longer then 3-4 weeks without any side effects.
If i were to use any blood preasure medication the best choice would have been ACE inhibitor and angiotensin II antagonist.
My heartrate was 60 after training in the evening slighlty elevated, i was pushing it a bit last couple days.
My resting heartrate before excercise is closer to 40
Thanks everyone for your concern and answers.
Glad you stopped!! Go donate a unit of blood. It will help get that high ass 17 down...geeez bro...were you dosing past 5,000 units? What was the dose and for how long?
i did a tottal of 30.000iu. each injection 3000iu, tiwce a week
that high 17 is becouse of iron injections... mostly
Thanks for the info...
If you're sensitive with BP increases running s drug like EPO would appear to be a bad decision don't you think?
Don't believe it's "taboo", just not particularly relevant to 99% of members here in light of the majority being strength athletes / bodybuilders
at 26 point increase in your bp is bad, that will account for all your symptoms. Thats a large spike despite being just out of normal range, normal for you is around 100, not 120. Understand? Stop this shit, real easy way to stroke out and die
if this is taboo wipe this post please but if you use a beta blocker you are contradicting the reason to use it in the 1st place. What did you think happens when you EPO? It increases rbc which in turn fills your cells with more oxygen which in turn increases your BP. You are more then likely heading for a nice little heart attack with those numbers. EPO is not very popular because of the ramifications and because of the FDA. Now you want to take a blocker to go along with it? Why bother doing it? You better get a full blood panel done and have the doctor check your heart as well. I take supplements that have EPO in them and at a moderate dose it works fine. For those that don't know, EPO is DMAA which comes in a few PWO supplements.
definitely spot on for the majority of the post, but i dont know what you mean by EPO is DMAA? DMAA is 1,3-dimethylamylamine, EPO is Erythropoietin and is naturally occuring in our body, and then people like this guy use exogenous versions of it to increase RBC. DMAA is definitely not naturally occuring in anyones body. Figure of speach??
Lol I thought he meant Evening Primrose Oil. My mistake. It has almost the same effect but not a major increase in RBC but a fraction.
lol I was about to say wtf are you doiing taking EPO supplements you know better then that. im not sure what evening primrose oil is but im sure its safe if its sold otc, this stuff hes fucking with is extremely dangerous typically used by guys like lance armstrong and runnners and shit, not us bodybuilders or powerlifters, it dramatically increases RBC production, ive been bored some days and read up on some cycling forums and seen the guys talkking about it and trying to get their rbc into the 7-8 range, when normal is around 5.8 or so. Dangerous shit man. Ive never seen someone even at 6 on eq and other compounds, so this s another animal.
Lmao, I would never take the actual EPO, I value my heart too much. That shit is worse then EQ with the only exception is EQ takes a while to increase while that shit is fast as hell. No thanks.
I've seen you write about beta blockers before, so I imagine you know this. Beta blockers block the effects of epinephrine. He is still going to have the desired RBC. A BP 125/70 is nowhere near a path to a heart attack. I would bet the majority of EQ users hover above that, if they aren't donating blood. It isn't even in the pre hypertension range.
OP, with those numbers, I don't think a beta blocker is necessary. If you decide to use one, propranolol is a good choice.
i did some short interval test and sit down immediately and bp was around 150/70, did it times with same results and evrytime after couple minutes it goes down to +-120/70.
What botters me so much is the feeling, nausea dizziness shortness of breath, I can still do easy runs but sometimes i cant hold my treshold pace becouse of that.
i will visit my doctor, i gues he wont be very happy with my epo adventures
Are you a pro runnner? I guess it doesnt make sense for me to say that caus you can say to me are you a pro bodybuilder? as Id only be taking epo if i was pro runner or cyclist, not just a dude who likes to go out and run everyday.
Maybe were a little media brain washed about epo?, as most people are regarding steroids. Im not sure, either way I think youre in the wrong wrong place to get any type of info on this drug, or taking other drugs with it. All we got here is guys who want to get big, or strong, or both big and strong. No runners or bikers that i know of. Id go check out a runners forum wherer this stuff is discussed. But your symptoms, those are textbook for cardic episodes. So id quit that shit until you know what youre doing. And your doc checks out your heart
Those are dangerous spikes. I have zero experience with EPO, only what I've read in my research over the years. I do take my health very seriously. Unless you're getting paid good money for whatever sport this is, I would suggest stopping. No way your doctor will commit to monitoring your continued use. You should probably stop, pull your CBC and then donate blood.
You must have missed everything be wrote about dizzy spells, can't sleep and sensitive to high BP. Warning signs regardless of BP.
I focused on your sentence where you said with those BP numbers he's on the road to a heart attack. His hematocrit could be sky high. He definitely should get a CDC.
hematocrit is 0.55 hemoglobin 10.6 mmol/l
i just did a bloodtest, im not gambling
Oops, CBC not CDC.
Got it.
I think epo is a taboo subject on these boards, so no one will help you with your problem bro
Let's get a mod in here to clarify. DNP and insulin I get. EPO would be reaching in my opinion.
yeah im curious becouse there are several epo-topics and it first time i hear this...
Yeah, I'm not really sure. I think I saw it mentioned as a taboo, but could be wrong
huh... why is EPO taboo?? There arent many people taking it, its not very popular i know that but i dont see how it would be taboo...
Because some 18 yo would read your post and think it is a great idea. Then promote it to all his teenage buddies. Then this place ( EROIDS ) would be swarmed with EPO posts and no matter what advice you give, they do it anyways ( to the detriment of the health). Damn kids will do any drug put in front of them. You would think the next generation would learn from the mistakes of the generation before them.
END of RANT,............I'm going to go soak my feet.
this is an ROIDS forum where Roids are discussed... People here are on all kinds of shit.
Im only running Epo.
There is a 15year old boy why is on gear, maybe he was reading here and got inspired.. would that mean we have to close this forum?
Anyone with half a brain reading this should see Epo aint a miracle drug, with lots of side effects.
I talk to alot of people about EPO but we talk mostly in PM becouse there arent many topics, what i see that many use it ones and then dont try it again.
I think many are scared of epo becouse of the deaths in the 90ties but those deaths were becouse of super high hematocrit not high blood pressure
Jay-DawgAgreed. Vitamin C is also pretty dangerous if abused or used in high concentrations. Sure, most people on here are not looking for epo information, but a few of us are and we'd like to benefit from other people's experiences.
vitamin c? really i know some people who were taking high dose of it when sick and felt realy good