posted Mon, 03/14/2016 - 14:34
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+ 6 IGF from minimal use of Angtropin with two baseline tests from 2015
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This score may seem low, but compare it to my baseline tests. I only used three vials in three weeks and one of those three entire vials was used all at once put deep in my knee to help regrow meniscus - and that was three weeks before the blood test. So usage rate is closer to 1 vial every 1.5 weeks.
I didn't take a break the day before the test, but I doubt most users do.
With HGH, 310, two baseline tests of 137 in March of 2015, and another test in November.
I like the stuff! Going to order enough to last through the summer and try to repair some injuries.
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Thank you for doing bloods. I'm liking the green top angtropin at 2iu ED, but this is my first run at GH.
+1 Karma for all the effort you put into the post, and value of the post. Excellent.
bigwillyI did really well with this gh as well.
+1 for sharing
AnonBRO, VERY HAPPY TO SEE YOU GET GOOD RESULT!
THANK YOU FOR SHARING WITH US.!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkIm curious about the "elbow injection" you did years back....what was the outcome?
I had a lot of work done there, but never under the knife. I allowed the regenerative medicine dr to treat it with catabolic steroids, b vitamins, and not 100% sure of the cocktail. I hate corticosteroids. No really, I do. But if you can't lift a fork without wincing it stresses the home life. I followed with a few rounds of PRP while I was doing the "star pattern" of injections twice a day. 5 pins with a few drops each and I would work around the nerve. You know when you (or the Dr) hits it :( My right ulnar nerve is 12mm. Just imagine a pentagram in a circle the size of a quarter and work around, change the sites a little every day. The Dr revisited it with a weak Prolo solution treatment when I was in for shoulder stuff. The nerve is entrapped in the fascia of the triceps muscles so it doesn't stay in the epicondyle where it should reside. It popping in and out of the epicondyle is probably what pissed the nerve off. Those that know how to do a proper elbow strike know how to rotate the wrist to protect it. Well, I can't rely on that working. Right now I consider it cured. It hurts at the moment a redefined "2" which is worst than it has been lately, but once you have the feeling of your "funny bone" being hit and it lasting a few months there is a restructuring of a definition of pain. (OK Women, I'm a man and never had to give birth, you might "win") It's not just at the elbow, but further down the arm - follow a map of the nerve and all the parts hurt, pins / needles, numbness or hot iron depending on the hour. No drug can kill nerve pain, I think there are some in the same category as some anti-depressants but never tried them orally. There are custom trans-dermal compounds which provide some relief. Forget any branded one such as 1% dicofinac, maybe 6% combined with a few others such as gabapentin, baclofin, and one of the longer lasting "cain" pain meds all rubbed in, then find some DMSO to make them really absorb. Maybe someday I'll have the nerve taken out of the fascia, but not by an orthopod. It is not something I like to think about, best to keep my mind off the elbow which is why this is the last I will write of it.
So what "fixed" the elbow? B vitamins injected around it and growth factors. The mixture in PRP is stronger than GH alone, but the combo in hands of the right healer is magic. The catabolic steroids should have calmed it down but keeping the damaged nerve happy in a pool of nurturing happiness is when the pain started to fade.
A home-made mixture of cayanee and DMSO actually works as well as anything else, get your hands on some lidocaine related substance and add it too but don't try starting with 2% because will be too diluted. If you are in pain, you will do whatever you have to. If you don't, you die.
Since I had that done, things have changed and there is a platelet lysate which can be used on nerves with less irritation. If platelets are the good part of blood for healing, the new stuff sounds like it is the good stuff from platelets. I don't spend all my time reading on the subject these days but if I had to guess and make it myself... maybe freeze the PRP solution to break the platelets then imagine it would be easier to remove non-growth factor than to remove growth factor... just a wild guess.
ok, this has me thinking - what would the platelet lysate made from of my blood when my IGF-1 levels were up in the 400's turn out like? I know IGF-1 binds really easily and might not concentrate as well as other growth factors but wow, that might be some awesome repair juice!
Kig, can you drop me a centrifuge, vials and collection apparatus for a batch of 4 x 60ml samples of my blood? ;-)
Noticed a PRP kit for sale... no directions included but it would pay for itself in three treatments.
I didn't imply anything about doing this at home, but I can see why it was assumed.
I am not recommending anyone do what I choose to do but since some will ask...
I have a Dr who specializes in regenerative medicine and used to sell Omnitrope for somewhere in the range of $200 for a mg (1 mg = 2.7 to 3 IU, depending on who you ask) which is about retail cost with no profit if you are just ordering one $1100 vial at a time. But... thanks to media coverage of athletes abusing HGH etc, the Dr's are afraid to prescribe it for anything other than short stature children. They do good work and the FDA would love to bust them for anything because they aren't selling what the FDA can regulate (yet...) - your own blood platelets (PRP) and stem cells derived from your own fat and bone. Those are much more expensive than Prolotherapy which is roughly 15% dextrose with b vitamins, pH adjusted and other secrets of the particular Dr. My Dr says if he were on a desert island he would want Prolo which costs a lot less, personally I don't feel I get the same results but the $ comes into play. The HGH added to such a cocktail doubles the effect in my opinion. It works. They know it, I know it. Sometimes I'll ask them about research I've done on my own to try to get their take (can only imagine it pissed them off at first, maybe it still does). Now days not so much time spent researching, I would rather live a life than dwell on my own suffering while sitting in front of a computer monitor and the problems that creates. I make my own regenerative schedule. Example, do procedure "x" at this time of day... everyone go to lunch and when we get back inject "y" which would destroy anything it contacts (HGH). The HGH will have done a lot of its work, caused more release of local IGF during that time which will have had its time to do its work. After that period, the injection of substance "y" will go in stress the f out of anything it comes in contact with. In doing so, IGF and all of the other good growth factors that are in those cells are released. Substance "y" stays in the joint for a day, making squishy fart noises in the joint before being (ab/ad?) - sorbed. It's a bit amusing if you aren't in too much pain. I'm not going to name substance "y" but it is all around us, we breath it (well, sort of). The FDA doesn't look too kindly on the use of it and I don't want to name it because this Dr is the probably the only one in the region using it and I REALLY don't want to get my good Dr in trouble. This of course is not covered by insurance and is what I spend most of my money on. I want to walk without pain and don't trust some quack orthopod with a scalpel interested in billing insurance for all he can while not giving a f about my actual health. Last time I saw one he almost cut the wrong side of my arm open. I ran away and haven't looked back.
Long time to make a point: being that they can no longer prescribe Sandoz Omnitrope and knowing it would benefit their patients - they will allow me to bring in my own which "of course" I have a prescription for ;-|
So don't go calling these competent Dr's quacks just because of the B Bonds media coverage to distract people from Wall St criminals who should have been executed in the street - get in the way of progress. Stem cells work which is why the puppeteers who pulled Bush's strings had him sign an order outlawing research on it. Follow the money trail, the FDA is not your friend. Yes, I made two unrelated points in this paragraph which makes it seem I don't know how to argue but I'm typing fast so I can hit the save button and carry on with my life.
If you choose to go the regenerative medicine route, start looking for a competent Dr long before you need one. A good one will take several months to get in with. Make a visit for something minor then when something big comes around they already know you and you can get stuff fixed faster. The diet means NO anti-inflammatory anything, lots of collagen intake, bone soup, and the supplements you already take and then some. If you can bear it, the inflammation is where the healing is taking place (within limits, I'm generalizing because this isn't a scholarly article.
Obviously, the high IGF test and the low tests were done by different labs. Under the radar ya know? In a few months I will get caught by the latter and publish their results.
The other Dr who ordered the IGF tests is a general practice poser who does PRP (I won't let him do it on me, I have a competent Dr for that) and anything else he can get away with charging a ton of money for including unnecessary tests if he thinks insurance will pay for most of it while lining his buddy's pocket. I asked him to do the first test which I can't find the labs for. The two copies I found yesterday were done without my consent, at the time he said they were just routine labs. I asked to have the initial test done because I had a upper 300's IGF when using Hygetropin but didn't know my baseline. He tried to put me on Sermorelin at some absurd fee and I declined and told him why I had initially had the test done. I suspect he wants to bust me for using and it's really the only way he can. Anyway, I'm going to be on it at a low dose for the next 6-8 months while I regrow my knees, and have it injected into the knee capsule as I can afford to have it done by a professional. Right now that is every 3 weeks, and expect to slow down to every 6 weeks as it gets better. A few years ago - on other knee I was injecting all my GH as deep as I could along the ridge between the Tibia and Femur using a 1/2" needle. Not really deep enough I know now but it probably helped repair the area more than just randomly choosing an inconspicuous site on my body for injection.
Lesson: when your joints hurt, grinding through curls, squats, etc - and you are young - think about how they are going to feel in 10 years, 30 years, 50 years, etc...
Yes, HailRazor, it is roughly 1 IU per day but was traveling a lot so had long weekends. It averaged 1 IU a day, but I always did 2 IU for 3 or 4 days on / off. I also try to hit multiple spots (2-3) at once when possible... a little on this side of the knee, a little on the other, top, bottom, upper calf, lower quad. The two days before the test I did it IM in the arm at 2IU / day - just to have something comparable to the tests others here are having done.
Not proof reading this, hitting "save" and on my way.
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Awesome. You're obviously a smart dude. I like what you say, FR sent. Tons of great info in what you say, that all of us could discuss
Wait, you shot angtropin in to your knee, to repair your meniscus ?
2 Vials used in 20 days (1 IU per day)
IGF1 - 310 (1 IU per day)
Wtf I didn't get anywhere near this on 1 and a half iu's of seros. This seems high as shit. I have been reading people getting insane igf off of generics. Don't you think this is high for 1 iu ed?
I have my baseline, maybe my system is more efficient at making it turn to IGF?
The average over three weeks was 1 IU ed, I was on for 3 or 4 days straight at 2 IU per day and finished the last of the vial so maybe had 2.3 IU's 24 hours before the test.
As far as I know, this is real. Is it possible some smart person made a cheap designer drug which causes IGF-1 readings to be high and causes wrist pain? Maybe...
What would IGF-LR3 look like in a simple test for IGF-1?
Most people would never buy IGF-1 but would like it for use inside of joints and healing of scars.
We also need another lab besides the one we all use for testing blood. I'm due to be tested in just over two months by a doctor who uses a lab that seems to produce more detailed results. Want to make wager on what my IGF-1 will be on 1 vial a week? I'll guess 420.
Baseline 137/172
2.5ius (Brown Top Hyges) 346
2+ ius (ANG) 310
Seems comparable to the last result
AngTropin is GH. No peptide "concoction"
I think That's good results. I'd be happy with that
I think so. It's cool to compare his results to the last Ang result. Major difference.
Yea that's possible. I know everyone's body is different . I upped my dose to 3 iu's a day and get bw and I'm waiting for the results so we will see. It's a different brand also. Yea I'd be curious to see what you get off this test that your dr gives you. My baseline was 168 so I'm hoping I'm somewhere around 400. But like you said maybe my system isn't as efficient at making it turn to igf. Hopefully I get the results tomorrow.
ZandaThat's a good score for that dose
I guess Z. Another member got similar results using 110IUs in a 15 day period.....not sure about using a GH Vial for at home endoscopic knee surgery.... :/
Yea...so this just shows what? IGF is all over the road?
Looks like he's gotten good results before: (2.5ius)
These were Brown Top Hyges from awhile back. There were lots of consistent IGF1 elevation from these from what I remember.
https://www.eroids.com/pics/hygetropin-igf-1-2.5-iu
Makes me feel like I waste my shit, doing huge doses for weeks. Haven't got an IGF test recently tho...need to.
You should know by now that GH is the remedy for all ailments.
Yea....its Big Business for "off-label" "anti-aging"....lots of fountain of youth claims.
Darth Pale made a comment awhile back about it being overrated......he's got a point:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15807876/