posted Thu, 03/03/2016 - 08:51
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+ 9 Bloodwork 15 weeks into cycle, igf results ironlion
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Platelets 420 is a bit high, I looked up some causes and one was inflammatory bowel disease, which for 2 weeks I've had bouts of diarrhea from protein mainly syntha 6. Start after I drank the protein and then sulfur rotten egg burbs for hours and then diarrhea, after about 3 rounds of this crap I narrowed it down to the protein.
Liver enzymes a tad high but I've only been taking 250 mg tudca ed. I'll bump this to 500mg and start liver 52 as well.
E2 is high because I've felt fine only using 6 mg aromasin eod but I'll bump it to ed .
The igf results are from the blue tops with the arrow on them sent from ironlion for test. I ran one kit 10 iu ed split 5iu morning and evening for 10 days and had igf pulled.
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I've been using this article below as a reference for IGF-1 levels. For a 100kg male the hGH dosages in this study would have been 7.5, 15, and 30 IU. Unfortunately they only show the largest dose for day 2 through 8 but you can see the trend and estimate the rest. 7.5 IU would have put the average close to 400 ng/ml. 15 IU might put the average around 550 ng/ml. 30IU gets one in the area of 700ng/ml. This is not unlike IGF-1 levels that I've seen from generics at 1/10th the cost of big pharma. If there is a better study to referrence, please share.
All this is to say those numbers are legit +1
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/endocrj1993/46/4/46_4_605/_pdf
Reading from my phone...interesting. But I need to sit in front of a laptop to really delve into it. Nice find man
It's a good read. You will find that even on the .3 IU/kg group (or about 30 IU for a 100kg male) the range for IGF-1 was 405-786 ng/ml. Imagine how pissed somebody might be if they paid retail for for pharma hGH and ran 30 IU a day (that's about $20 per IU) for 8 days and only pulled a 405 IGF-1 number. There is still a significant variance based on each individual and I imagine each individual varies over time as well.
Not trying to steal Humps show here. Just saying.
https://www.eroids.com/pics/10pens
rocketballzNot trying to steal Hump's show....but I will anyway lol. If someone can't afford the real deal I don't understand why they waste their money on a chinese gamble. It's like driving a Mercedes C class. Yes, its a Mercedes but is it a REAL mercedes? Not really
Basically, the perspective is, the Honda will get you to the same place the Mercedes will.
rocketballzExcept for a couple consistently good generics (there aren't many), that perspective is flawed. At least with pharma, from a reliable source or from the pharmacy itself, you know what's in it. Who knows what kind of cocktail the chicoms are using for these generics. It is an expensive process to synthesize rhgh. Boggles the mind
I know. Scary, isn't it :-0
Mp859Those numbers are crap on 10iu a day. +1 for posting
no it really isn't. why is everyone so fooled around here that you should have 600IGF's. the shit you saw from other sources is WAY overdosed crap
But I can say this stuff hump tested here...gives you MAJOR water retention
I am not satisfied with ANY generic at the moment. There is one place left I would like to sample tho
There are two generics right now that members are running less then half the dose Hump did and are pulling the same numbers (not the source that came back way overdosed). I know what you and BigWilly are getting at with the super high igf numbers but I truly believe any REAL GH will show a number well over 400 at 10iu daily.
thanks for your posting the test results.
+2 for bloods!!
Good IGF numbers!! & that GH does some serious swelling!! I barely can fit in my boots!!
I'm also running the same cycle. 350mg tren, test p & mast. Results come on quick & keeping the dose right there minimizes side to almost none existent
394 igf at 10iu a day is good?
bigwillyYour putting to much stock in these igf1 #s bro.
But yea 400 is roughly what you'd see useing humatrope.
I don't claim this gh is eeal, only that 400 is a very fair igf1 #
How many iu of humatrope would you expect that number from? 400 is a very respectable number, I agree with that....I don't agree with having to blow through 100iu every ten days to get that number
In a ten day time frame? Yeah
What kinda numbers are good for you?
You like the bone growth & distended gut look from 550+ IGF & some slin abuse?
First off you should take a deep breath and calm down a bit. Also I'm not a fan of "gh gut" and have never used slin at all. That igf score is fine and dandy if it's coming from quality gh and a tremendously smaller dose. NOBODY needs 10iu daily to hit that number if the gh is good. Its easily achieved with a smaller dose of REAL GROWTH. Do you like the fact that you're holding so much water "your boots don't fit"? What's that telling you bro? Obviously somethings not right, even Hump posted that the gh sucks and it's all water weight. And after 10 days your igf levels are just about peaked so yes, the number sucks. There are a thousand tests by guys pulling igf with that time frame with much better results (I'm sure you know this already) so when would you pull an igf test? Please enlighten me with your vast knowledge after you pop those swollen feet out of your work boots
I didn't say it's great GH! I said the IGF # is ideal based on the protocol used! As per HailRazor suggested it, in order to get a accurate assessment of legitimacy of the product.
& don't tell me to calm the fuck down. If I didn't get the shit tested in the first place everyone would be posting RICKY RETARDO REVIEWS on a bunk product & the wonderful placebo effect it created.
I didn't tell you to "calm the fuck down". I wouldn't curse at you and disrespect you like that. My original question to you was asking for your honest opinion. I wasn't being nasty to you at all and look at the response you gave me. After that I had a bit of an attitude in my post which I'll apologize for now. I know you test alot of shit and I do have TONS of respect for you doing so and appreciate it. We talked awhile back about gh when puretropins first came out (that's why we're on each others list of friends). Again, I was only asking for your honest opinion on my first post. We're gonna have to "agree to disagree" with the results posted on this one. I'm not arguing with you man and I do respect your opinions. Be safe and stay healthy bro (and calm the fuck down also) lol
I don't have time to read your long posts or care about your opinions. I care about weather a person got ripped off.
But the point I'm making is, the numbers are showing its atleast a real product & not fake.
Don't expect the world from some blue tops.
I'll keep my post nice and short for you then....You really are a total douche bag. Sorry I hit a nerve and hurt your "SuperMax" ego.
HA!! Your a butt hurt little bitch
bigwillyI'm no scientist bro, and many will tell ya I don't belong discussing gh lol. But I have been using it for years and it's my opinion that the human body can't tell the diference from 2 ius or 10 ius, meaning the body will take and use what it can from the 10 ius and piss what it can't use.
As time moves on the body will be able to utilize a lil more but I'm of the belief that very few people can even utilize those massive amounts of gh.
This is all just my 2 cents bro.
beyondimportsThe hgh that isnt utilized, the body turns to igf. Running 10iu a day in a single shot will yield a larger igf spike than 2iu 5x a day. If that makes sense.
I hear ya bro. I was just looking at the fact that we have alot of members pulling much better igf tests with less then half that dose (and they're not holding 10lbs of water either). Gh definitely varies from person to person so its a touchy subject...would you personally be happy with that number from 10iu daily?
bigwillyBro the honest to god truth is I put no money on these igf1 #s. Iv never used em, iv 100% used feel and miror to gage what I'm useing. And rarely do I go above 4 ius.
But them again my aproch to gh is like nothing you'll read on eriods, I'm a firm believer in half these guys are waiting it anyway,lol
I had higher igf on the puretropin when it first came out. I think it was 521 maybe.
To add on this since the liver produces IGF I would bet if you have a fully functioning liver you would be able to produce higher results also
bigwillyYea, I just mean a some piont the body will not use it. F o r instance, a young w o uld be waiting 10 ius, no way the body would use it.
Looks like your name is the URL of one of the screen shots. I would edit that out.
Thanks brother, i didn't catch that one!
Yep good ol Syntha shits, been there bro. + for bloods
Haha glad I'm not alone.
rocketballzThat damn >1500 thing!! Didn't see your cycle man. What's it look like? Thanks as always for posting!! Good IGF for that dose
Just test p, mast p, tren a 50 mg each ed, using Geneza Andromix, used stealth gear cut mix which worked well to.
I wasn't impressed with this GH, I had some serious water retention from them, like 6 to 10 lbs at times.
rocketballzI thought it was 5 iu's lol. I didn't see it was 5 iu's twice daily. In that case the number is less than ideal and reflects typically underdosed chinese gh :(