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3 exercises that can hurt you more then benefit you

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Every time I'm at the gym I like to look around and see what others are doing. I like to try new exercises and see which I like and feel comfortable with. Unfortunately I've had many injuries in the past from sports, motor accidents, and even from not having the proper technique when lifting. So at times I'm doing an exercise and will feel pain in my wrist or shoulders depending on what it is I'm doing. I try to avoid these exercises to prevent any future injuries. After doing some research I've came across different reviews with different opinions. I've noticed that three of the exercises I do on a normal bases are not much beneficial to me especially compared to the danger that they can cause in the long run. I figured I share this with you guys maybe it will be taken into consideration next time you guys are at the gym.

First one is the bench fly..

A lot of people love to do flys, but the possibility of injury if one does not do them correctly is very high. You put a lot of unnecessary straight on the shoulders and are pretty much working out the chest I the same way as if you were doing dumbbell press. The extending of the arms on the press does not really affect chest and greater then a regular press. You can bend elbow and flex it in the same direction and see that three no big difference in the tension of the chest.

Second one is behind the head military shoulder press..

Once again the danger in this exercise is very high as well. Your shoulder rotates in the socket and should only be rotated in certain directions. By putting the weight behind your head your shoulders are at an awkward position where the bone is actually rubbing on the socket. Your shoulders are being worked out just by pushing up. So why not just do regular military should press and reduce the possibility of injury. Your not gaining much of a difference doing them behind the head it's not worth the injury.

Third one is the leg press..

From what I read in different reviews you put a lot of stress in the knees when you do these. A lot of times we might not feel it instantly but let's say you do legs 2x a week. Leg press 5 sets at 10 reps. It all adds up. Eventually all that stress on your knees will one day start to show.

I know that people been doing these for years and have their own opinions about it. But this is just my opinion based on different information I have read. Hopefully some of you guys find it helpful.

bolt781's picture

I think people doing any movement with too much weight compromising form puts them at risk. Ego lifting is the danger. There are lifts that are acceptable to perform "cheat" movement to shock the worked muscle. Even then there is a correct way to doing it.

For the most part intensity is mistaken for too much weight. When it is actually the correct amount of weight, utilized in a manner to engorge the worked muscle with so much blood it feels like it is going to explode. And blow chunks of devastaded muscle tissue all over the concrete!

Dsb2931's picture

Skull crushers can kill your elbows !!

vhman's picture

Any lift done improperly is "dangerous". You can't tell me that someone doing heavy dead-lift's improperly is less dangerous than flys??? It's all about learning how to do each lift properly and then listening to your body and keeping your ego in check. We all have lifts that we avoid due to injury or the like. Just be smart.

Pericu's picture

There are always two sides of a medal.

I simply have to disagree. You cannot generalize which exercise will do more harm then good. Every exercise will have it's risks and benefits, some more, some less. Further some exercises will be golden for some because they're able to hit the muscles way more with the exercise then with others. When people have the morphologie for a movement and are able to hit the muscles better then with any other exercise, isn't the tradeoff worth it?

You can always bring an argument against your statements. "What if you have the shoulder mobility to do behind the head overhead presses?" Hell, look at dmitry klokov, he does the behind the head press in a deep squat position with super heavy weight. Wyh?! For shoulder health and strength.. Still risky, yes, but we're in a sport where every movement can injure you. We simply need to be aware of that fact.
Another example, Alberto nunez just recently added leg presses back into his training and reports how well this movement improved his training, size and lower body strength.
Same goes for a roundback deadlifter. There's definitely a higher chance he will get injured compared to a flatback deadlifter, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the flat back deadlifter will stay injury free and the opposite holds true as well.

I think every exercise has it's purpose, it's up to the individual to decide which exercise to do in a routine and more importantly, why they're actually doing it. I see so many people having lots of stuff in their routine, without even knowing why they are doing it.

Ooookay, going to stop now. Don't want to bash your thread but I simply disagree and say that you can't generalize something like this

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

+3 from me bro............... well said.

Xrated's picture

U can get hurt doing any exercise really. I through my back out doing standing calve raises once. And it wasn't even heavy. It just happened. U have to know ur body and limitations. Warming up properly and stretching, doing things like band pull a parts etc... will help prevent injury. The list goes on and on.

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Drop-set's picture

I used to love deads...two back surgeries later, I'm not allowed. Didnt hurt my back doing deads though, last time I fell on the ice taking out the trash. :/

ready4war83's picture

That really sucks. Sorry to hear. Especially if you feel taking out the trash I would've been pissed..

Makwa's picture

I guess I would have to flip this around and say three exercises that can benefit you more than hurt you. These are all pretty much staple exercises for overall targeted muscle development. All exercises have the potential to hurt you if done improperly. Done properly these exercises provide a multitude of benefits for developing your physique with minimal potential for injury.

ready4war83's picture

Once again guys.. I'm not saying that these are exercises you shouldn't do. Like I said on top I have had injuries in the past especially on my shoulders. These are exercises that I would do on a normal bases but based on the future damage they can cause to my injuries I'm deciding to try to stay away from.

Drop-set's picture

I think deads are pretty bad for your back if your form isn't right.

fat.mammuth's picture

For myself, I made the experience, that you can do any exercise (unless you are already injured) if you do it correctly and controlled. If your goal is to build up your body, there is no need for heavy weights. So just pick the right weight if you are doing stuff like the behind-the-neck-press, focus on the muscle-mind-comnection and dont go always to failure while doing exercises like these.

knuckleswollen's picture

If you ever feel something is wrong and hurting stop. Then lower the weight and use correct form. Any time you challenge yourself there will always be a possibility of injury. Make sure you warm up and get the blood flowing in your joints. Use strict form and dont try to impress anyone. Do what your body demands and push it.
Each of us are different. When people tell me they can't do this or can't do that it always ends up being squats,deadlifts etc. The hard gut grueling exercises. However everyone wants to curl and bench. Most of the time the pain in the back or knees always comes back to bad form or not getting blood into the areas you are about to destroy.
I use all 3 exercises you listed. Leg presses ok give or take as long as you squat enough. Behind the neck is crucial imo for building shoulders. Some consider it old school I just laugh at that. Flys I mix up I always prefer free weights for mass.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

keep doing what you are doing bro............ +3

knuckleswollen's picture

Thanks brother. Have to keep grinding. With what you have been through and for how long. Still a complete beast. There can be no excuses!

Beltabuser's picture

There's absolutely no substitute for flyes and your chest will be incomplete without them. Period. The other two exercises I could take or leave but the behind the neck press does give a great pump. Leg presses built my quads up until the weight was too much and I got patellar tendinitis. Moved to basically squats, front squats and hack squats as my only quad moves and legs got bigger and stronger.

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Instead of Dumbbells you can use cables.. Just the fact of being standing rather then laying down takes a load of the shoulders.

Beltabuser's picture

Cables will emphasize the contraction whereas Dumbbells will emphasize the stretch. They are not interchangeable despite the fact they are both isolation exercises.

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ready4war83's picture

Everyone has their own opinions but both the articles I've read say the cables are both more beneficial and also less risk of injury. Again it's just preference I guess everyone is entitled to their own..

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Pale's picture

https://www.t-nation.com/training/inside-the-muscles-best-shoulders-and-...
That wil tell you why we do behind the neck military presses.

You are likely to catch a lot of flack over your whole post. Most all heavy lifts we do have potential to be dangerous. Know your limitations,,, And then push right fucking through them!!

knuckleswollen's picture

Well done!

ready4war83's picture

Not saying that they shouldn't be done completely. Just saying the the risk behind them are so great that you can benefit by substituting them with something less riskful.

Like the guy from the link you posted said
"Before we get started, I want to say I'm not going to make any judgments regarding the safety of any exercise in this article. I realize that certain exercises pose greater risks to the joints than others, but every guy has the right to train however the hell he chooses. As lifters, we can choose to assume a lot of risk or little risk since we're the owners of our bodies. So keep that in mind before you type me nasty letters."

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

So keep that in mind before you type me nasty letters."

tut tut!!............. he warned you that your post may get some flak thats all!!

I will leave now before you get upset any further.

ready4war83's picture

Lol.: not upset at all.. I can handle criticism and feed from it ;)