posted Wed, 12/09/2015 - 07:03
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Hey guys.
I plan on running masteron e at 500mg a week
No orals.
The only concern or question is what to dose test cyp at.. I am personally considering 200mg a week..
I know some of you are die hard set at don't go below 500mg weekly but I don't think I want to go that hogh this cycle. I've been great on my diet while off cycle and am looking to cut this cycle and stay lean while in a deficit. I am noticing a bit of strength loss and muscles not being as full being on low carb and in a deficit.
What are your thoughts? I had used mast prop and loved it, but was wondering how low of test can I go since the mast shuts down test production, I gotta have some exo test.
thanks!!
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RustyhookerProvi and mast will crash his estro. Especially with mast that high. If mast used at all....even with test. So if test 300...mast e 300. Saw palmetto.
300 test with high anabolic like var 8-14 at 50 split. Run bloods week 5 to see if adex needed. Wouldn't suggest aro on a light run.
Definitely advise using makwas food forum to make this work. You wont see the scale go up! But clothes are your judge.
My favorite cutter was test, mast provi. Test and mast even doses...provi 50 split. Super clean diet. Cycled carbs. Utilized vikings no carbs after 1 rule.
thanks rusty. ive also been reading (for a while now) your posts on volume workouts and its been going great. but in a caloric deficit and no aas Ive been struggling as of late. I know I need to be eating more cals and Im trying to remedy that. I appreciate your input man.
RustyhookerThe food folks are your golden ticket. Makwa, tontulo, and catalyst etc.
General forum catalyst has a food stickies
Read through all the posts here and I am still not really sure what you are trying to do with this cycle. I am assumming now that you are trying to do some sort of cut, I reallly wouldn't expect to gain a whole lot of lean body mass with mast being your main compound.
Im going to send you a fr if you don't mind. My goal is to put on quality mass.. Maybe I just up the test then, say 400mg a week and 500mg mast.
accepted
Guys!!!.............. read this before you plow in here.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/cycle-info-take-...
Yeah that cycle never actually happened after I got feedback. I've tried a lot of compounds in the past and want to keep it simple from here on out. I have my acne under control now and don't want to start going back on complex cycles. Hence the low dose test and mast cycle.
Thx
What are you trying to accomplish here? Need a goal to see if this is the best way to go about achieving it..
bigmurphI believe in low test dose
But I need stats
Cycle exp
Diet
Work out routine
Goals
Your bf is important it's not. 05
Yep...
bigmurphDo you think we scared him away
No he will be back...
No, he'll be back another quaalude and he'll log back in the morning. Jk
bigmurphWill he love us in the morning to
When u gonna fix these?
Fix your stats.
I wanna kno his foods...and body type...that depicts lifting regimen and help with goals...
RustyhookerPost stats, priors? Trt boss?
I can almost tell how this thread will turn out...
RustyhookerHe's been a good dude in the past. I bet he's busy at the moment. Just need real info to get him straight
Yeah guys I have a job lol Can't answer right away its been like an hour calm down you crazy bastards lol.
Stats are 6'1 245 15-18% bf
As I said I am only concerning myself with how much test being the minimum to counter the affects masteron has on shutting down test. I am thinking 200mg would be enough to keep my test relatively high and let the mast do the rest in terms of hardening up and increasing strength.
Just enuff to where u might not be saturated...
Last cycle I did 350 and 350 test p and mast p for 10 weeks and I got good gains leaned out and strength went way up. But test bloats me because Ima bigger guy. I use adex but Id like to keep the test at 200 just wanted to check eroids as you guys are my beacons of wisdom lol
Lower your BF% a bit before starting cycle and you may not have as much aromatization from the test. You may be able to get away without an AI with that test dose and the mast. I would still incorporate some provi in there to get that free test level up. I am still not sold on this cycle without thoroughly understanding what you are trying to accomplish.
Run proviron throughout the cycle to get even more bang outta that test brother.
This is an estrogen crash waiting to happen. I crashed mine on 200mg cyp 50mg proviron, it's in my profile. I thought the same thing get the most out of this small dose of test. Didn't workout to well lol. Crashed estrogen has gotta be one of the worst feelings ever and it takes a long time to get back to normal if you don't up the test dose even after dropping the proviron. Then 600mgs of mast on top of that. His e2 would be zero. That exact provi mast combo controls estro for a few guys here on some heavy heavy stacks.
I wonder how potent 600mgs of mast would be in terms of estrogen suppression on only 200mg of test. I remember rusty saying he was having issues with low e2 using mast as an ai and he was on a higher dose of test. For the op, mast isn't a muscle builder, 200mg of test keeps me in normal range, you'd most likely be shutting yourself down and just replacing what you are making naturally, idk you're natty test levels but 200mgs puts me around 900 which is in normal range, def a little higher then most people's natural test production but not enough to really notice it unless your have low T. I would atleast up the test to 300mgs and probably still drop the mast to 400 or so to prevent it dropping your estrogen to low. if you're set on 600mg mast I'd think you'd need to be running 400mg of test
But why mast when bf is so high? If you're looking to cut fat I'd just use some test e at 400mgs or so. That will have your test levels nice and elevated and will preserve your muscle, and add 50mg proviron. I personally think you'll get a lot more benefits out of proviron at that bf then mast. I love provi, it makes me vascular, harder and drier looking, keeps estro down and its main benefit increasing free testosterone. That would be my suggestion.
Well said. I've had my estro levels crashed and it definitely is the worst feeling one can have, especially mid cycle. I know some guys on here and away from the forums run that combo, but granted their test base is much higher. Having provi crash your estro while on a small dose of cyp goes to show just how different everyone's reactions can be, as I know some older guys away from these forums who run provi while on TRT doses, and even then their dosages vary from 12.5mg to 50mg per day.
I had a brain fart when I wrote that, having started a new project at work my mind is all over the place as of late. I'll definitely make sure to proof read the posts a lot more from now, or not post at all until my mind is clear and let's me focus on better thought out responses.
Hell ya man crashed estro sucks, lethargic, kinda depressed, no interest in sex, cant keep it up very long, joints fucking ache, my lips and corners of my mouth were so chapped it hurt to eat. Terrible experience. Even with a few exta shots of prop and tne it still took ages to feel normal again. Definitely leaving the provi aside next time im on that low of a dose of test. Goes to show everyones different, i know some guys who use 12.5mgs of aromasin 3 times ew on a small trt dose of test and it keeps them in the 30s, that would definitely crash the shit out of my estrogen.
thanks irongame, I didn't think of it this way. I definitely do not want to crash e2. I will try 400mg test by itself and add the proviron. Ill save that masteron for when (if) I can get down around 10% or less. I appreciate your input very much.
Also, once you kill estro you also kill gains.
just keeping estro in range kills gains, not all but definitely short changing yourself compared to if you let it get a little high.
My joints feel so much better with my estro just a tad higher. I have tried OTC supps for joint relief but nothing compares to when I am on cycle and can let my estro climb a bit.
For sure, when I let mine get low this one time I could barely lift my joints hurt so bad. High estro plus a small dose of nandrolone equals joint heaven. Can give you a false sense of security though. Docs think I either tore part of my upper bicep or partially tore my proximal bicep tendon. Can't blame it on the joint comfort from those drugs tho, my fault pushing it when it was already irritated and my strength took off. Sucks but that's life and my constant bad luck.i always get close to my goals and either get injured or really sick.
Spot on make you need estro to grow. I let mine get a little elevated when bulking.
Provi and mast? Isn't that a little much dht?
No. Very common combo.
I completely had a brain fart... Ignore my reply! My bad brother!
One thing I will add regarding Mast, I was always under the impression that the results were always best when taken with an 8-10% BF...
Very true but that's not something I worry about because I'm not competing so for me, I like the density and strength it gives me. Feel great when I'm on it.