+ 1 NPP vs DECA a bulking tight decision!
I posted what I'll be running for my bulk soon.
Summary:
Test Cyp 750mgs
Deca 500mgs
For a 16 wk cycle maybe 20.
Week 1-4 anadrol 50mgs
4-16 anavar 50mgs (25mgs am - 25mgs pm)
Current stats
Weight 207lbs
Height 5'7"-5-8"
BF 8%Goals
225 - 230lbs
10% BF
My thing is that people suggest me to take npp instead of deca. I've done my research on it but still got lot to learn about it. So wondering if npp is that much better then deca.
My first cycle ever consisted of deca. I had my macros on check my workout cardio etc and actually lost bf%. So my thought is the old school way to where you don't need crazy stuff where you can bulk or shred with any substance all comes down to diet and workout.
But npp isn't a dht derivative so that's why I'm posting this because I'm considering it.
Anyone with experience on npp or know your stuff is more welcome to advice me what I should pick. Thank you all so much all the eroids fam has been a big help.
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The proposition of 16 weeks straight on 17aa orals screams to me that you have not done proper research on anabolic steroids, not to mention the second oral choice. And asking if npp is a dht derivative also says the same, a quick search here or gooogle will tell you its nandrolone phenlypropionate while deca is nandrolone deconate, so if you knew the actual generic name of deca (deca durabolin is a brand name) Nandrolone, youd know its not a dht and its the same hormone as deca, just with a different ester, a faster ester as rusty stated.
Now to get to your question, npp is my favorite, i ran deca once before a long time ago didnt remember my experience on it so i decided to run it again this winter ( on it now) and so far im gonna have to say im going back to npp. It kicks in way faster, by day 10ish its pretty much at peak and stable levels in your blood, while deca im sitting here 6-7 weeks in and just now finally feeling it. While ive made decent gains so far if it was npp I would be alot farther along right now. I think a 12 week test npp cycle would yeild better gains then a 16 week test deca cycle.
But the jurys still out, im just getting into the heart of the cycle now so will see how the rest pans out. You kinda need some type of kicker here or youre going to be dissapointed the first month and a half of the cycle waiting for these long ass esters to build you in you system. Maybe a prop kicker to keep it simple. Drols not a good idea for a 4 week run, it will lose its effeciveness way before then and youll just be straining your liver and lipids for no reason.
just my experience with the two.
Was asking bro I was stating. "npp isn't a dht derivative so that's why I'm posting this because I'm considering it." So because of that it's why I'm considering using it brotha.
Thanks for your info about your experience before I truly appreciate it.
what if I kick start it with npp till deca is at peak? Or is that to much to do?
Thank you for your input.
RustyhookerNpp is a shorter acting form of deca. Since you ran and enjoyed deca in your priors, try copying the same as before.
Someone else will need to figure out drol with you. Ive not yet run it.
Im about to run 750 sus with 300 npp. Just a variation.
Thinking about doing npp to shred up. Since its a fast ester the water retention will a lot less then with deca.
So 250 of Sus eod & 100 of Npp eod? Might try that with 500mgs of Test when I shred.
Thank you brotha.
Am i reading wrong?.......... is that sentence 1 statement or 2?......... clear it up for me please bro.... do you mean >
250 sust EOD
100 NPP EOD...... Plus 500mg of test to shred? or have you stated 2 plans.
Thankyou.
I'm thinking of taking npp when I shred brotha. With the advice I've got here so far.
My debate is 750mgs of Test Cyp & 500mgs of Deca and kickstart with Anadrol.
Thank you. Hope this clears it up and able to send me some advice.
750mgs test cyp
500mgs deca ( i would do 400mgs to keep the test/nandro ratio sweeter)
Anadrol cycled 2wks on.. 2wks off for 8 wks total would be a good bulking array if the nutrition and training is on point bro.
OR....... a 4wk test prop kicker......... the choice is yours bro.
Split up the Anadrol to take advantage of its half life, and cycle it to get the best from its poor binding affinity....... high doses are a waste, 50mg daily is adequate when timed dosage is undertaken.
Yea I've heard of people doing anadrol 2 wks on 2 wks off. Does the 8 weeks include the time off or just the time on bro?
Thank you for your feedback it's much appreciated.
I'll be doing deca at 400mgs thanks for your advice.
Total time on would equate to 4wks usage............ long ester oils will be fully kicked in when the A/bombs are ended.
Research half-lives, so you understand what i mean about dosage timing bro..... its crucial info when running ANY oral Aas.
RustyhookerJust answered my questions on drol as well.
The drol cycled (pulsed) like that is the way to go.
Listen to this man OP! He has that tag for a reason, 30 years of fucking with this shit.
Thumbs up for posting this before starting it....
Why cant you do a simple Test cycle and dial in diet and macros? I have seen ur posts regarding diet and AAS usage, which look adequate, but, i feel like your inexperience will lead u back in the same situation where u were before starting AAS. Glad ur here...
I've taken 2 compounds but debating on adding a third one for this bulk. Thanks for your feedback.
My diet work for me brotha. Been experimenting with it for a while finally found what works. Or what you think I should I adjust.
You kno ur body better than myself bro....my gains are kept with diet. Some of my best runs have been low dosed test, mostly, and on occasions stacked only with low dosed dbol, var, or provi. You have to find out what worx best for u...i work with diet and exercise everyday becuz thats what counts in the end....
Completly agree with you. It's not about the gear it's about what you fuel your body with and how you hard you kill it at the gym. Gear just helps you take your training to the next level.
Like right now I've lost maybe 2-3lbs at the most since I've been off. But of course I still need adjustments with diet it can always get better.
Thanks for you feedback
A lot of compounds bro for being 25, like mentioned below...
bigmurphI'm just going to say brother I don't think you should have to run so many compounds in 1 cycle
Test 750?
Decca 500?
Adrol and anavar ?
16-20wks?
Why so much at 25 take a decent cycle but keep it simple drop one of your orals and run for 12wks with lower doses I don't know what lab you use but you shouldn't have to run that high of doses to get good gains.
Last test deca cycle was test 500mgs & deca 375mgs. So just wanted to up the test, up the deca and try a new compound out.
So I should just pick one? Then I can save the other one for a future cycle.
Thanks for your feedback bro
bigmurphThe last cycle you ran at those numbers im guessing you got great gains why fix something if it isn't broken if you wanted to add a oral no problem but don't raise your inj doses and add a oral. You can get great gains with less gear you can save some money and you won't impact your health with the smaller doses remember we workout and eat first then we add gear. I believe you can reach your goals with less. I would go back to your last cycles doses and add one oral I would add the adrol as the kicker
bigmurphHonestly are you even really 25 or do you just say that to get cycle advice.
Honestly at 25 you should be running test only cycles and adding a oral to experiment which one works best for you
Your going to run 3/4of a gram of test
Over 1/2gram of decca adrol and anavar
I keep saying this because if you don't know that its a bad idea to do that I don't think you are near being experienced enough to be running cycles like this
I apologize for ranting but it upsets me that I already know that you won't listen and in 10 years your dick wont work you will be on trt and you might have a nice set of tits
No trust I'm on here because I want all the advice I can get! I will take this advice and grow from it.
I am 25.
Yea I'll do what you said to do what works for me why change it? Just add anadrol as a kick start.
Thanks for your input brotha. Appreciate you
bigmurphIm sorry about the rant lately I have been trying to help people and they don't want to take advice I will accept your fr and I will help you with anything as long as you take the advice. I will be happy to help someone or anyone who wants to do it right and doesn't just want someone to co sign there death warrant.
Yea i consider everyone's advice look into and take it from there brotha. I ain't here to bull shit and waste anyone's time.
I look at eroids like a gift! Imagine if this was available during the golden era?! Shoot bodybuilding would be in such a different level.
Thank you.
X2...
The Avavar in this cycle is laughable and a waste of funds here. Could've filled the freezer with the money saved.
Consider proviron and I see no Cabaser. Personally I'd run the Deca and keep the pinning easy. Especially at the legnth you want to run this cycle for.
Never taken anavar myself. It's a new compound I want to try and help me stay lean. What dosage would you recommend for anavar?
I'll do some research for Proviron. Thanks
Yea i was thinking the same. The pinning. Does the mgs look good for test and deca?
0mg Anavar is the dosage bro...None
600 test, 400 deca but it looks like your heart is set at 750 test, 500 deca.
Prolactin and Esteogen control? And liver support for that anadrol?
No its not bro posting it to get advice and get the best cycle possible.
I'll do 400mgs of deca.
I'll be taking arimadex ed .5mgs. Yea I'll be taking that as well bro. Thanks
I'll be doing anadrol 2 wks on 2 wks off
Save the anavar for next June/July when you're bigger and lower in BF. For now just concentrate on bulking and using the test/deca/drol. When you are in full shred mode and want to put the finishing touches then use that Var. It's a waste in this cycle and your liver will already be under enough stress with the drol.
Adex does not have to be run ed. You want your estro on the high end of normal range. Get bloods testing done before, 4-6 weeks in and after your pct.
Yea I'm actually doing this because I'm starting up my clothing brand. Got a few pros helping me market my clothing on social media.
I'll be going for the movement of the old school! So I want to look the best I can for it. So saving that anavar for the future sounds perfect. Thanks bro
So for arimadex would it be better eod?
Yea I'll be getting all my blood tested. Can never be to safe
Congrats on the business.
I'm a aromasin guy myself but when I have used arimadex it was EOD and my bloodwork dictated how much I took. I cannot recommend a dosage for you without seeing bloodwork as we all are slightly different when it comes to estro.
Thank you.
Ok I'll be taking .5mgs of Arimadex eod brotha. Thank you for all your advice! Its much appreciated.
As soon as I get on i will post my blood work.
I've used both w great success. But, as I've got n older I prefer shorter cycles. Bc u recover faster. Deca takes a good amount of time to kick n and has to b run way longer to get full benefits of it. But, it's a lot less pinning.
Npp by 14 days is n full effect, if pinning ed or eod is consistent. Everyone reacts different to compounds. 4 me I prefer npp. I get all the benefits of deca w out the water retention and waiting for it to kick n.
My last cycle was test c,test p,and npp. I only did 7-8 to see how I responded and it was get. Strong as a bull, joints felt great and I didn't gain hardly any fat. Which comes with nutrition. But, I looked and felt great. And would definitely recommend it to anyone. It was a great cycle and I plan on doing it again soon for ten weeks or so and up my calories to pack on some more lean mass.
I also like shorter cycles because it's less water retention but isn't it more harsh on your body?
Yea i see what you mean with deca compared to npp. Was thinking about taking deca with arimadex to help with the water and lean out with npp.
Deca does take long to kick in and hate it that's why I want to take anadrol to kick start my cycle.
But then again npp will be a lean bulk lol makes it tuff.
Thanks for your feedback brotha. Big help!