+ 1 aromasin or arimidex?
What do most of you prefer? What's the better one to keep the gyno down? What kind of doses do you take on your cycles?
Curious to see what some people need i don't need help with mine.
what type of cycle are your running and what ai do you need? (A lot of people are taking this post wrong thinking im looking for a hand out for advice.. lol)
I'm on a cruise right now but the cycle before last i ran 13 week cycle of 750mg test e/week, 40mg dbol/day for the first 6 weeks then lastd 2 weeks i ran 30mg halo/day into my powerlifting meet. Taking odd shots of 125mg test suspension on heavy training days. When on the dbol i was taking 12.5mg aromasin/day and got gyno. So i started taking 25mg/day and it stopped. Ran nolvadex for 5 days @ 40mg/day got rid of it. Next cycle i ran dbol and started with 25mg aromasin/day ZERO gyno. Even though i rather not run ai my body is really estrogen sensitive.
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Arimidex is preferred. Aromasin give me so much sides. It's personal preference really
I've used both and I prefer Armidex, no gyno sides at all, while on Aromasin I did start to get signs, but upped dosage and it went away. They're both sufficient though.
Did you even read this thread before you commented? Come on fella I know you're relatively new here but please use some common sense.
Dont worry about it bro, these guys are producing soooo much natty test even a low dose of something like 200mg would create serious aromatisation issues (not that any of them run that low, probably the opposite ) then proceed to use Ai in abundance unwittingly crashing E2......... yeah im sure thats the case looking at most stats in profiles.
Hahahaha. You're right I know it. To be honest I'm far more worried about what I read below from the OP. I'd give up hope but then I remember we do actaully reach some and that makes it all worthwhile :-)
Old school "off season" and then comp prep used to be exactly that!... because of the change of tac with organisations these days (and money) they actually force people to stay on cycles a lot longer than back in the day... comps now are year round in most cases, back to back set-ups which makes old time cycling kinda non-existent.
I got myself entangled in the same web by running comps back to back and chasing titles, that was the time when i had to make the hardest decisions about Blast/Cruise protocols... it still got way out of hand and led to me being on Trenbolone or tren derivatives for 12mth periods sometimes, sense had to kick in and decisions had to be made that instead of aiming to do 8/10/12 comps per year it got tailored so it just meant doing specific qualifiers for specific targets, doing that meant i had a chance of being the master of the Anabolics instead of the Anabolics being my Master........ it worked out and i am glad i took the bull by the horns and made crucial decisions or i would probably be seriously fucked up now.
Yes fair enough brother. It's a very good point. I'm not and have never been one who competes so am not close to this aspect of things. I will completely defer to you and others who have/are in this space. I only hope you guys can help guide and advise the OP and others like him. I worry that anyone running ASS need to have the knowledge, maturity and experience as well as the willingness to learn from those that do/have more. My worry here is that some very basic concepts like aromatisation seem lacking and very long cycles are being run. What other knowledge gaps exist? Is the OP monitoring his health with blood tets etc. I don't compete and I have run longish cycles before but have always done so with my eyes wide open and with my health very much in the forefront for me. Running AAS is not healthy but it's critically important to know how and why and what to check for and what action to take when the signs present. Too often today this aspect seems to just get overlooked. I hope the OP gets this. Big respect to you brother and thanks as always for sharing your knowledge and experience.
You mention the word "Cruise"...... which is the mild part of the "Blast/Cruise" protocol for guys that are on TRT....... yet the statement above refers that you have never had bloods pulled nor are Dr prescribed TRT patient or self medicating due to naturally low Endogenous testosterone levels.(never tested you dont know)
Could you explain further please...........
No TRT. I just have to meets pretty close. And i didn't want to keep blasting full force. So I'm only pinning 200mg/week. For 10 weeks. Before i start my next training cycle for my powerlifting meet. Then i will fully come off all the gear for a few months
Tbh vike I think alot of these young lads "cruise" because they don't have a fucking clue what pct is they think it's big and clever to stay on but they will learn the hard way unfortunately.
I don't agree with staying on year round. Just seems appropriate this time around due to having two powerlifting meets very close together. So why come off for 8-10 weeks just to start back up. So i started pinning 200mg/week. Keep it on the low side. Until I'm 13 weeks out then I'll blast again for my meet. Then come off for 3 MONTHS.
That's cool,
I'm not having a go or anything but it sounds like you are more than just "curious" and are fishing for advice instead of just asking for help.you are 25 years old and and cruising and tbh that's a very silly idea you could cause yourself irreversible damage and regret it for the rest of your life.you have got plenty of responses from respected members I suggest you listen to them Bro. Hope all goes well
Yeah you got it. I knew it would come out eventually. I keep asking about blood work. Most of these guys asking these vague questions don't have the answer because they don't pull bloods. Simple as that. In this case made even worse because it's clear he's not on Dr prescribed TRT and cruising at 25 then getting all sorts of estro issues while on his "blast". Excuse my language but what a fucking mess. I see the op has gone quite now too. Sigh!
Im not using ai right now. Only pinning 200mg/week. For the next 10 weeks. Only reason i am cruising is because i have a powerlifting meet really close. So seems almost pointless to come off then to start back up 2-4 weeks later.
So you're on a long term cycle then. Thanks for clarifying that. How long in total will it be? You mention next 10 weeks at 200mg per week! And then how much for how long of what compounds? What did you run before this 10 weeks started and for how long? When exactly do you plan to come off? When you do what is your plan to PCT and recover? Again what does your blood work say - what are your estro levels? What are your lipid levels? Do you even know? If you're so estro sensitive then why are you not on an AI? So many questions!!!!
I'm sorry fella but I was worried before about all this and now my concern is exponentially higher. Please get this information up here soon so we can advice and please try and keep an open mind even if you don't like what you hear.
cruising is ok if you wanna stick a needle in your ass for the rest of your life
but this guy doesnt know how to cope with Aromatisation so he shouldnt be cruising..... sticking the needle in is the easy part lmaooo.
The needle is the easy part. If it wasnt eveyone who jucied would look fantastic. Unfortantely thats not the case, but its what the general public believes and sadly a large portion of steroid users. I wish "normal people" knew how little gear actually helped, and understood the reason we succeed is because of heavy fucking training in the gym and stuffing our faces day in and day out. We need a new "boston loyd", but one who tells it how it really is, steroids help recovery, increase protein systhesis but without hard smart training and large amounts of food you will not gain a pound of real tissue, and that these physiques are not build from one steroid cycle but years and years and decades of consistency.
Boston Lloyd idk even know where to start. I'm waiting on him to drop dead. Mr 3cc. The upsetting part is imagine all the teens on YouTube taking his 1+gram test with tren and dbol first cycle. No telling how many people he is doing damage to. Not to mention some younger people are into other drugs and partying. Which we all know doesn't mix with gear to well. He says its all gear not genetics but doesn't show that very well. He doesn't always look horrible all the time. But definitely not like a pro looks or even people on eroids in the pics section on. 1/4 of that stack.
Ha ha ha
Why are you cruising at 25 years old? Scared to lose what little gains you got or get? I am an ex powerlifter and 95% of the guys I trained with DO NOT CRUISE, they cycle smartly. I bet you cruise on 250 a week or higher right?
Never fails does it? 25 and oblivious to reality. These kids think they are immortal, they will soon find out the truth..
amen brother
bigmurphAromasin on hand just in case try using proviron that will help with estro and give free test
If you don't know or have an idea, do some more research, keep your cycles light, and have bloods done to monitor your levels. Everyone's body is different, whatever you do, do it safely and listen to the guys who been around awhile, who know what's up.
Darth, gave you some super stellar advice
To block or to kill....that is the question...
I prefer neither. Keep your dosages on the lower side and you won't need any.
Makes sense. But I've tried that and my body still seems to get a bad estrogen rebound when i add a oral into the mix like dbol. Unless i take 25mg of aromasin/day well on dbol then i can drop that to every second day when im on 750mg test/week. Is what it is i guess. But i got it twice before i figured out the right dose for me. Nolvadex cleared up both times in under 7 days at 40mg/day
750mg of test isn't keeping things on the lower side either... More like getting towards the high end.
Seems like you've done ZERO research on your own and are looking for someone to hand you a ai dosage for your zero researched cycle. Not going to happen.
I take aromasin personally. I'm not looking for help. I'm curious to see what other people have used/ran during cycles. Personally i get a bad estrogen rebound way my body takes it. I have to run 12.5mg every second day. On test alone. And 25mg of aromasin a day if i was to do say test and dbol together. Anyways if you read again. I never help i asked what people were running for a ai.
I got ya brotha, came off that way.
Yeah probably a little haha. All good man
So why run dbol at all then? Load of other choices of orals if you're dead set on running one that won't aromatise and lead to estro issues. Plenty of injectable choices too depending on your goals. Seems like you know what works for you so I wonder why so much interest in what works for others as everyone is so different when it comes to aromatisation and impact of estro levels and sides one gets etc? What does your blood work tell you when you're running just test and then then test and dbol? Is that how you arrived at your aro dose?
Just something i was curious in. I compete in powerlifting and dbol has alway been the oral that treated my powerlifting cycles the best. Always get good gains off it. So to me its kinda hard to stay anyway this is personal opinion. Even test alone at 500mg gave me gyno. And to be honest i have yet to get blood work done. I just know gyno is slow coming when on test only. And when on dbol its comes really fast. I am going to actually going to men up and get a full screening done. Just always stayed anyway from the doc so i didn't get this on my file
Go get private blood work, don't use insurance. You don't want gear use on your file. A few companies you can pay for private bloods. You can be a herion addict no problem, but gear use every health problem later in life can be denied coverage. Get private bloods then post them up here. Privatelabsmd and labcorp and quest should be able to cover any panel you want. I think labcorp tops out the test numbers though at 1500 might have them mixed up though
Alright. I will look into that man! Only solid post i got on here yet lol. Everyone always just wants to cirp people out instead of explaining stuff.guess they forgot where they started.
you could be right,but its interesting to hear what different guys need though. Myself i can get by with none but i was talking to a guy yesterday who needed 1.5mg pharm grade adex ed on 800mgs of test.
I actually prefer letro, I've dialed in the perfect dose for me. I can use adex as well but its not my first choice. Aromasin I've used but its not cost effective in my eyes. I can get $100 in letro and be good a couple years. Unless adex is dirt cheap or thrown in a promo or something that's the only way I'll buy it now. I don't lose my sex drive on letro, but I've gotten blood work to dial my dose in
Hell ya if you can dial in letro and cut those pills into like 1/8ths a 30 pack becomes 240 lol. I've only used Leto once with a gyno scare then transitioned to aromasin. I would need to be on soooo much test and dbol to use letro at even a half pill Ed.
Lol it depends on my dose, but .5-.75mg EOD or e3d seems to work so a 2.5mg tab I'll chop into 4ths so its like .65mg a 1/4th. But some places have them in .5mg caps which makes things easier. Its good to have on hand if gyno prone just in case shit happens you can shut it down at first sensitivity. The liquid stuff is always 50/50 either great or horrible. But more peptide places are going to caps which seems to work the same usually as actual pharma femera in my experience. But I feel with liquids once you get about half way through the dose isn't as accurate. But its always hit and miss each draw anyway. Never know how much powder was drawn up. Now its off topic when it comes to caber pharma is the only way to go.
Ya i always have some letro on hand just in case, and tons of adex. i dont use reserach chems. I did a briefly when i first started using gear but stopped real quickly. to unreliable, you shake it up and draw some out and dont know if you got the right dose, absolutetly nothing or triple the dose or the stuff could be totally bunk. You just never know.
I'm pretty sure gearhead runs 2.5 of letro with around that amount of test..
I have seen some cycles with both...i use exem...using nothing is the best...shifting.towards mast and provi is the best for some people. Interesting how one persin differs from another...lol
iBeastI tried this last year. I even seen posts of vike mentioning this stack for estro control. Used no ai or serm the whole time. Ran..
200mg test cyp
200mg mast enan
50mg provi / day
Pull bloods and E2 was nearly tanked. Had to lower my provi to 25mg
My buddy tried it after I told him and suffered some E2 sides pulled bloods and his was sky high. Both using prescription cyp pharma provi and same labs of mast enan. Its hard to recommend something.
Everyone reacts different it seems.
The OP is the only person that can answer his question maybe.
Yes....we all are different...
That's true no doubt, I just got the feel he was looking more for a layout than actual preferences bro... I could be wrong. I'dve liked to see him list prior cycle experience n his purposed cycle/ai layout imo
RustyhookerFull stats with bf%? Prior cycles? Proposed cycle?
Yep cycle Hx and proposed cycle plan....right on bro..