posted Wed, 11/11/2015 - 12:47
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Just want some opinions and experiences of running pct. There is so much information out there, no hcg use hcg. Don't use Nova use Nova. Looking for some solid info from experienced users. My pct plan this far is 14 days after last injection 500mg hcg per day for 10 days. 4 days after last hcg pin 200mg clomid 40 mg Nova. Then 100mg 20mg for 20 days. Thoughts?
Ty for your time!
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Bodyfat is around 12-14%, this is my 2nd cycle I have done. First cycle I did I had a really bad experience running Test enthanate, I stayed on too long 16 weeks, and was running about 3cc a week, I ended up breaking out really bad on my back, so I was very hesitant to start this one. This cycle has been 12 weeks I just did my last injection monday, I arrived at the dosages simply by staying on the very low side of the spectrum, lotta guys were shooting different numbers, but I would rather play it safe, and tweak once I've completed the cycle. I did run AI, just went I felt my nipples were sore, maybe took 5mg through the whole 12 weeks, I did not get any blood work done pre cycle ( I would love to but I'm not sure how to approach my doctor when asking for blood tests). The results I've had have been great, I didn't want to put on a bunch of weight as I'm heading to mexico for xmas, I put on about 10 pounds, my strength was way up which was awesome as well, I've been nursing a shoulder injury, so that kind of sucked, also I will be running 3ui of Gh the past 2 months, and will plan on during pct process. ty
Ok mate. Next time rather hit reply to my post that way I know you've replied. To be honest I had forgotten all about this until I saw it by chance yesterday.
Ok so couple of things. Your bold dose is pretty low. I appreciate you got what you feel are good gains for it but remember your shutting down your HTPA so my view is to get the maxima from this. Now I am
Not suggesting mega doses or stacks here. Far from it but I do think 400mg per week is about the minimum I would run bold at. Also the duration is off. Bold is one of those compounds that needs longer to act and to achieve steady blood levels due to the long acting nature of the undecanoate ester. 16 weeks is typical for this compound. Next time why not post up a cycle idea on the steroid cycle forum and take some advice/get a debate going.
Pre cycle bloods are important to establish your hormonal base line and for you to compare this too while on cycle especily to check estrogen levels and to dose your AI effectively otherwise your basically shootout blind on this. For bold running on cycle blood is important to check the impact this compound is having on your red blood cell count. Your hematocrit level is the key one here. This can get high and can be quite dangerous if it does. Luckily of you know about it there is a simple solution - donating blood. On cycle bloods are important for other reasons (check liver and renal function for example). Post PCT bloods let's you know how your recovery has gone/is going (compared to your base line you hopefully established pre-cycle) and allows you to make informed decisions if needed.
Now as to your actual question on PCT. I wouldn't bother with the HCG. I do use HCG but I run this at low doses (250iu twice a week) when I am running long and/or heavy cycles. Running HCG as part of PCT is not a good idea and can prolong recovery. Seen as you were only on for 12 weeks why not run the following PCT:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 60/40/20/20
I would run Aromasin at 6.25mg eod throughout to combat potential estrogen rebound. And btw given the undecanoate esters in the bold and test 400 you should start your PCT 21 days after your last pin.
I don't really have any comment on the hgh other than its fine to run in PCT from my research. I never have and probably won't bother given its cost relative to the benefits.
Hope that helps and good luck.
Wow dacky I appreciate all the info brother! See that's crazy I didn't know eq could do that to your system honestly was my first time running compound. I have been pretty irresponsible in the bloods department but I do live in Canada and its not like the private sector I can't just get bloods tested that easily. They can potentially say I take at odds then it's in my file and there goes the life insurance policy. Definitely my next cycle I'll be getting more help and tips from! Thanks again
No worries fella. Happy to help. This is a great place to do research, ask questions, formulate plans and have them validated. Regarding blood tests I hear you. I'm uk based so have similar issues. All testing need to be done privately, at great expense and away from regular GP for insurance reasons. Nevertheless it's of critical importance.
+1 for asking now and for commuting to researching fully in future. Friend request accepted.
K so I'm 5'9 205lb 27 years old been training off and on for about 10 years.
Currently running t400 @ 400 mg/week and EQ @ 250 mg/week for 12 weeks.
Ok I've got some questions. What's your BF? How many cycles have you run? Can you lay out your cycle history please? How long are you planning on running this cycle for still? Do you mean it's 12 weeks long on total or you've been on for 12 weeks? How did you arrive at your test and eq dosages? Are you running any ancillaries (e.g. an AI). Did you get any blood work done pre-cycle? How have your results been assuming you've been on for 12 weeks. Sorry for all the questions. But it's generally good info to provide and to be frank the cycle you've outlined is a bit unusual so I'm keen to understand a bit more.
Please post your stats and your cycle bro. Need to know details of what compounds you've been running, for how long and with what ancillaries. Without that it's really not possible to advise properly. Get this info up and let's talk.
Skip the HCG,it should never be part of the PCT.... only before PCT.
Get pharma grade products and you can probably run smaller doses of clomid and nolva.
you need stats before anything.
bigmurphWhat is the cycle you are running and how long
for the amount of info you've given it can be pretty subjective. We need to know someones cycle history/blood work/stats/cycle-compounds and dosages to accurately give advice for what pct we use/should use. I don't use the same pct on every cycle it completely depends on what compounds I've ran and their esters. What you've posted would would be pretty standard (i think) for a light test enthanate only cycle, but if you were to swap to something short ester or a longer ester the wait time between your last pin to starting would need to decrease/increase respectively. Same with what compounds (nor's for example) you've used, as some require a longer and higher dosed pct to recover and some dont
Assuming a light test only cycle for 10-14 weeks, I haven't used hCG for that and comment below has that covered
I don't think you need the hcg if test only.
Clomid: day 1 200, then 100 for 2 weeks and the 50 for another 2 weeks
Nolva : 40/40/20/20
Exemstane: 6.25 eod
Natty test booster : ZMA, zinc, l-arganine and l-caratine
That'll do ya
he was running EQ with it also, so if he is running the hcg he should drop that 200mg clomid day 1 kicker, no need. the leydig cells are already stimulated and ready to go.
What about running HCG post cycle, doesn't that stimulate the HPTA cycle?
no. it is supressive to HPTA recovery
Eq is mild... Still wouldn't mess with the hcg
bbopThis is what you should do !