posted Wed, 11/11/2015 - 19:56
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+ 1 Your favorite kickstarting oral steroid and why?
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I'll be starting a cycle in a couple months and I don't know which oral steroid I want to kick start with.
I'm looking at anadrol, M1T, turinabol, and winstrol...but most likely will run dbol again.
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CarlFitAnavar if you can get legit one, least sides IMO, dbol gave me horrible heartburn and winstrol pain in the joints.
Orals are for PUSSIES!
You want a kickstart - 150prop ED, THATS a kickstart!
Orals are not for pussies...oral only cycles are for pussies!!!!!!!!!!!
RustyhookerYou ever run 150 ed?
;)
I'd rather not run a gram of prop a week
RustyhookerBy weight if Mol, thats bigger than a gram. But I understand you. 100ed is a gram by weight.
If he had he wouldnt even be considering orals imo
RustyhookerTrue true. 100 was plenty for me. Keep estro checked of course.
Just the thought of kickstarts and multi-compounds gets me drooling bro............ fkn boring TRT is getting old real fast!...................... i feel the need!!
THE NEED FOR SPEED!!................ lol
RustyhookerLmao! At your level of skill it would really require much. Your 30+ years proper conditioned.
Just to show all these young fools up, he could run 500mg of plain test and still blow them out of the god damned water.
RustyhookerYou shoulda saw his last stage prep....holy crap! Sliced, diced, and full beast
Dbol is good for mass gains (including water weight).
I personally love superdrol and in particular the inj version! I've always loved d Bol and anadrol but the strength and dry size I get from superdrol are unmatched
Anadrol is king for bulking and strength for me. It transforms me as fast as David Banner into the Hulk.
Anonhave ran superdrol, dbol, anadrol , and i can say dbol @100mg a day made me shoot up in size fast
RustyhookerStatsAge: 22Height: 5'11Weight: 230BF:
Your stats correct?
Yes... And he's experienced diminishing returns from running a gram of tren lmao.
How in the fuck do you get deminishing returns from a gram of tren
With his stats, at 230lbs and I'm guessing somewhere near the 20s BF% range, a gram of tren might just launch his BP to the stroke range. Remember, half the youngins on this forum running "Team 3CC" dosages have built their foundation out of spray foam rather than concrete, have diets that wouldn't be enough for my sister to grow, and gym routines that are less intense than a hamster's at a pet store. Therefor it's easy to get diminishing returns from large doses of gear when your bar is already set so low.
Yeah brother I was gonna say diet and routine has got to be shot the fuck out not to grow on 1g of tren. Phil Heath doesn't even need a gram of tren.
+3 i couldnt agree more.
Side affects, for some that may be not being able to eat or sleep which in turn can ruin your workouts and recovery which may equate to diminishing returns.
Just one example.
sigh...
MrEddy100% anadrol!
100% agreed. Anadrol is king
In your previous cycles what you used to take ?
For me personally I don't really like oral kick starters. I almost always find I put on a huge amount of mass/weight (even with a non-aromatising oral) in the 4 weeks I would kick start for then I feel like I spin my wheels for the rest of the cycle. For this reason test prop run properly is my kicker of choice - also very happy to front load a long ester like test e and leave it at that. If I did decide to use an oral to kickstart I would use Superdrol at 10mg pre workout for 2 weeks. At that dose I can just tolerate the sides and the gains are very good without being ridiculous. Just my 2 c.
anapolon for me hands down, quality anadrol imo if used correctly cant be beaten for me personally, its by far my favourite oral steroid.
Orals at the end of a cycle for me. But I only do test prop and at the end seems best. Why?
I get a boost at the end and see better results. And if an oral makes me feel I'll (they usually do) I'm not impacted much.
I've heard of people in the Internet doing this but it doesn't make any sense to me. Can you explain why you would kickstart your cycle with an oral steroid?
bigurielOrals produce very fast results, they are generally very strong compared to injectables and their levels in your blood peak within ours after taking them. Most injectables with the usual enanthate/cypionate/decanoate esters however are milder drugs and the ester causes them to be released slowly over time, with each injection piling up on top of what's left from the the previous one and blood levels rising gradually over several weeks before plateauing at the desired concentration.
So people use orals to bring about muscle and strength gains during those first 2-4 weeks of an injectable cycle, during which period you would otherwise probably see very little results.
Other ways to do it would be using shorter esters for the first weeks, or so called frontloading which is just using a very large dose (2-3x higher) during the first few weeks to reach max levels right off the bat.
Personally I'm not a fan of pinning every day, nor pinning 5+ml of oil at a time, so if I want a kick start I will go with an oral. Most times I just don't bother and don't mind getting slower but steady gains (that usually add up to about the same by the end of a 12 week cycle), with less sides and for less money.
Hey big urial thanks for writing that opinion. So basically people who are impatient and want "better" results now are better suited for this kick starting theory?
I use to "kickstart" when I was a novice in my early to mid twenties. I was impatient wanting better results faster. I was also less in tune with my body and thought I needed to inject/ingest the kitchen sink to get gains.
About 5 years ago one of my coaches (ifbb pro) had me wait 4-5 weeks after the oils were fully kicked in to begin my orals. I found that the effects were more dramatic. I've also realized that my body needs a few weeks to acclimate to the gradual strength and food increases anyways.
To each their own I suppose.
RustyhookerThorough. +2
Tbol- less bloat than dbol, great pump, good energy, vascular. If you're already in good shape then you'd love tbol. If you're using gear to get there then people usually like the heavy stuff like adrol or dbol for the sudden bloat n size. But if you're already in good. Or even decent shape tbol will shine right away. It's a little quicker n more aggressive than Anavar and it's less likely to be faked than Anavar.
I like to run test e/eq cycles and like to
Kickstart the long ester cycle with:
-Test prop 100eod
And 1 oral
-Tbol 50mg for 6-8 weeks
That's probably what I'm gonna do. I'm already in great shape and lean. Prop/Tbol sounds like a great kicker to my long eq/test cycle
That's exactly what I do. Test/eq.. With a tbol kicker and I start with test prop and merge into test e/test cyp. It all depends on the persons goals. Personally I'm not a tall guy (5'9) and I like to fit in regular clothes so those types of cycles were always great for me. Still on the bigger side at 185-195 but lean,vascular and thick.
MrEddyI believe you'll love the kick start with tBol bro. Imagine it like a dbol without bloat. Maybe not as much strength and size but quality gains.
I actually just kickstarted with test prop my current cycle and I fuckin love it and threw 40 mg of dbol around week 5. It was awesome cause around that time test e was kicking in and I gained alot and strength was threw the roof lol
This is what we do
Be careful bro as this is the moment where it's very easy for injury. Your strength is going u very rapidly while your joints and ligaments are not used to that load
Your right brother
Rustyhooker+2 Its easy to get carried away
I like anadrol. Good strength and size gains.
Same here, I get none of the oestrogen sides that I do with dbol either.
Oral tren
Tbol. Less bloat then dbol and still solid pumps, strenght and mass gains. I like winny but my joints can't take it and never tried anadrol but it is pretty harsh on thr body if I recall it correctly.
bbopGood ole Dbol and some liv-52 have always done the trick for me
RustyhookerI prefer short estered oils.
Same as rusty ... In quick.. Out quick should you need to come off cycle for some reason .. Saves the liver for when you want to add some var toward the end !!!