There is a reason people buy PHARMA!

Right on! I have also been looking for places I can send products off to so they can get tested. I don't mind paying to ensure I'm getting quality. If anyone knows of any labs they can recommend please let me know , DM etc. I have not come up with anything recent using the search feature provided. Also, Everytime I go to upvote someone like "deleted_user" etc I never see the number change. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Tnx

Labs and spectrometer readings lend themselves to a sense of false security. Labs can be faked, Specs can be faked

This seemed to be an issue when 'A' was testing, unfortunately

Personally I'm done pulling bloods during my cycle for total test (500mg Test E per week / 1800) I'm gonna use them for what they are designed for. To make sure all the other body functions are still working the way they are supposed to.

There seems to be lots of "analyzing" Test Serum numbers in relation to mg/mL. While some blood work results might reflect that theory....there are as many results that show it does not. Also, keep in mind there are many BW results that do not get posted because of "unfavorable" results. Some questionable results are sometimes deleted. This goes for GH Serums also.

And as for labs posting their own tests I don't even look at them. And for people posting tests for gear given to them I don't trust that either. Bait and switch.

Even though I purchased a product "anonymously", I've seen this happen recently with a product I tested. (B&S) What was tested 'then'.....is not what's being sold 'now'.

So I'm in a unique position here, I can test anything I want as I work in a lab for a pharmaceutical firm. Do I test gear? Sometimes yes. Do I post it up here? No.
Why? Because there's no point.

Well Damn :(

All blood tests / lab tests etc here ARE potentially bullshit and should be taken with a pinch of salt. I could produce you a lab test saying anything you like by 10am tomorrow morning. Cynicism I agree, but never lose sight of the fact it's the Internet.

I agree with......'things should be taken with a pinch of salt'.

As far as Lab Testing goes....the only accurate way of testing is to have your own sample(s) tested

but...unfortunately:
Everybody got their cups but they ain't pitched in - Snoop Dawg
example:
Most just want to be spoon fed info and rely on others for Labs, Reviews, etc. They don't want to put the work in

So if all Labs are totally pointless and all Labs have potential to be falsified

ERoids - Steroid Source Reviews. Check your supplier!

How do we 'Review a Source' and how do we 'Check your supplier!'?

Do we go back to posting mainly Gear Pics (with the phrase Good Ta Go!)?

Even though I agree there are potential issues with Labs.......I still think it's a good way for members to review a source/gear/products, etc

Everybody seems to looking for assurances from the black market, YOU WILL NOT GET THEM! Labs and spectrometer readings lend themselves to a sense of false security. Labs can be faked, Specs can be faked, TOP sources can go rogue and good sources can get bit hard by China and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Labs for your personal use and benefits are about as much faith as I would put in your labs, to use labs to somehow vindicate a SRC is adding to the illusion.

If I've said it once I've said it 1000 times - IF YOU FIND A QUALITY SRC THAT YOU TRUST THEN STOCK UP CUZ THAT CAN CHANGE ON A DIME!

My .02

I'll throw my two cents in here , even tho my thoughts on it are irrelevant its about what you guys as member want to see.

I don't even read past the first paragraph when a source posts up third party bloods or even when they post up mass specs either. Want to know why?

Because no one knows the third party whos bloods were tested, you don't even know for sure if the third party even used the sources gear lol, could be something right off the internet. On the other hand it Could have been someone who did use the sources gear but the source could've picked the best blood reading out of a stack of bloods from all different types of batches of products , some could've showed bunk , some could've showed ok, but we will never know due to it being a 3rd party and the source being the one posting up , so surely he/she wont post up bad or off results would they?

The bloods should be posted by members imo , does that make it fool proof? No, it doesn't but not as many moving parts to the equation. I'd find it more believable coming from a member who's proven himself on the board vs. a source posting bloods from who the fuck knows saying see my shit is fiyah and good to go.

Ultimately its your decision guys and girls.

Blood tests are a kinda screwy to me. I on one hand had a cycle going 500 mg test e per week and wasn't really feeling much. No oily skin no libido increase a little strength increase. Maybe a jump in endurance. Gained a few pounds but lost most during pct due to my own error possibly. Bloods come back at around 1800. Next cycle same mg per week. Big difference. Major increase in strength. Gained around ten pounds. Oily skin, some acne, libido spike, some bp issues. Bloods come in at 1800. Wtf.

Personally I'm done pulling bloods during my cycle for total test. I'm gonna use them for what they are designed for. To make sure all the other body functions are still working the way they are supposed to. And I'm not fucking myself up.

And as for labs posting their own tests I don't even look at them. And for people posting tests for gear given to them I don't trust that either. Bait and switch.

The integrity of this site is all that truely matters. So I'm sure the mod team and BFG will handle it accordingly.

Good points and ideas down below. Unless the end user tests the product, we as consumers have no qualitative/quantitative data for product.

Sources should do their own lab tests to verify purity. They dont need to share that data. Thats a business secret. If they do share it, they are letting info out that is sensitive and risky, in my opinion...plus its a leading statement thats gets into other questions that shouldnt be asked on this site.

Good that u bring this up...is it deeper than this...:)

Problem is the only way it could be used as 'trusted' would be any sources who want to prove the legitimacy of their gear would be to get samples sent into (in my view) a mod, who arranges the testing and feeds it back to the source. Those happy with the results will obviously want to post, others may not. Those that do would get 'verified' by said mod. Bloods I'm not 100% on as too many factors can influence results and other than straightforward Test or HGH would need to be explained in full, and even those depend on individuality, timing, length of usage, etc etc. http://anaboliclab.com/ seems independent. That could be an option. But even then the source could send a 'good' batch for testing. To sort that, would need therefore members to contact mod when have received product and sacrifice it. Some may be willing to do so, and maybe those sources afterwards could compensate with replacements. All very tricky. Would I trust the mods in this, or do I think they'd side with a source and bullshit? I trust this group of mods 100% and if I'm thought a fool for that I don't care, when they recently 'cleaned house' they settled that in my mind

For me, I like the lab tests. I'm even cool with sources dumping gear to get tested.
I realize there are a few shills dicking with the tests, but there are guys like Hailraizer who I think really provide a service to the community.
I do however think it's bullshit when sources submit their own tests. Come on. That to me doesn't mean jack shit.
I think sources should in no way be able to post tests. If they want to post tests post them all on their own web page.
Just my opinion.

So I'm in a unique position here, I can test anything I want as I work in a lab for a pharmaceutical firm. Do I test gear? Sometimes yes. Do I post it up here? No.

Why? Because there's no point. I'm
Just a name on a forum, there's no proof what I'm saying is truthful, it's still evidence without foundation. I could be lying about the sample for a number of reasons. "But Catalyst is an honest guy, been here for years etc". Am I? How do you know that for sure?

All blood tests / lab tests etc here ARE potentially bullshit and should be taken with a pinch of salt. I could produce you a lab test saying anything you like by 10am tomorrow morning. Cynicism I agree, but never lose sight of the fact it's the Internet.

Imo you can look at all the bloods/gear tests all day long but in the back of my mind there is always doubt anyone could be involved in rigging of some sort unfortunately it's the way things are sometimes. I would only truly believe my own bloods then I know it's random and 100% truthful.
It would be a good thing if perhaps the mods could some how pull random tests and post results??? This is the best way to keep members safe and keep the sources on there toes. ( just a thought )

To me bloods aren't influential in my decision to buy. They are the users personal results. There is no way to tell if I would be getting the same batch.

Bloods should be used individually to keep the source accountable. It is sort of like the only receipt one can gather between buyer and seller here. If there is a discrepancy, you provide proof so said source can either handle it, or not. But IMO just because Joe blow has good numbers on a lab, doesn't personally do me any good.

A source posting their products results...yea I take that with a grain of salt...

a source posting their own blood labs or mass specs is always going to be suspect. It's that simple to me.
I'd also like to see people disclose when their bloods or labs are a result of getting free or heavily discounted gear.

I don't look at or believe blood or mass spec tests posted by sources. Too much room for rigging the outcome to self promote. I don't agree with sources posting our test kits or providing feebies for testing. Again for the same reason. I do think though that members should be able to conclude this for themselves and perhaps a general "disclaimer" enforced on such posts should help make newer members aware of the potential issues here.

What would be good if sources had to fund an eroids overseen independent mass spec testing program where samples of gear were randomly selected by say the mods and the results posted. I can see a million issues and problems with this but just thought I'd throw an idea out there. Sure it's been thought about already though.

It has always been buyer beware, wether a source posts a blood and lab or a member. In my time here I have seen a lab(s) show great numbers on a product from a source(s) only to watch that label blow up for a few months and then a member post terrible bloods afterwards. A source should be able to do what they do and members as well. At the end of the day its only the buyer to blame for not researching. We make people research a cycle and not spoon it so why should the latter change? OR they should post the labs and the label in the forum we already have that noone is adding to in a hell of a long time, the one that shows the brand of product and what the product is, then the source and members can add their bloods/labs/experience in there. That would make it easy and also so you dont reinvent the wheel.

Sources can post up all the bloods they want, I won't even look at them & they go onto the shady list IMO.
Members, totally different... Especially if they paid for their gear and then went and got tests to help the community not for a kickback

lol
the gh kits that were sent out for testing is getting blown way out of proportion
you guys act like testing shit is bad now...