+ 1 The game has changed again, no more PCT
Hey bros, Its been a while since i posted but, i really wanted to fill you guys in on SARMS for PCT, its a game changer.., if you been in the game for as long as i have, PCT changed a lot since the old nolva/clomid combo. After much discussion with my iron brothers. i expressed to them how i hated going off my cycles, how all my pumps, motivation and some of my gains were lost. One of them highly recommended a Sarms stack instead of the Standard PCT. So i did all of my homework and read up as much about it as possible and decided. Fuck it, worse case scenario i still have hcg,nolva, clomid laying around.
After i got off prop/tren ace, i started taking GW / osta combo. I kept training hard, eating well nothing really changed. After 6 weeks of being off, i was still getting good pumps not like while im full "on" but, i was still motivated to hit the gym week after week, i got a little watery but not by much, i didn't even feel like i was "off", it felt more like i was "bridging" into my next cycle, and the best part was that my libido was still there.. i can go on and on about it but, in the end you guys got to try it.. i feel like its a great option for guys that are on long cycles or loose too much gains while on pct. I believe, it does allow your receptors to clean up. im no longer anxious about going off my cycle, Sarms is a great way to "bridge" into the next cycle while giving your receptors a break..
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No, thank you. I used osta once during pct about 2-3 years ago at a low dose which was not supposed affect my recovery and didn't like it. Didn't really notice any dofference in the gym and still lost what I believe I would loose without using it. It also felt like the longest and hardest recovery I experienced plus really nasty headaches. I believe that the less chemicals you put in your body the better chances of your body reaching the homestasis faster. Besides regular and long time proven combo I might add some natural products such as vit C, D, ZMA and DAA but thats about it.
The additional drugs that I want to incorporate in my next pct is HGH. I read post from one of the mods some time ago about using HGH in small dose such as 2ui in pct. it should help keep gains and assist in recovery. Hgh is not suppressive and should be nice addition to pct. Definitely worth trying in my opinion.
Sorry to hear about the bad experience bro, that's exactly the kind of feed back i wanted to get. +1
This post to me has zero merit. You are what 29? I guess statements like "being in the game as long as you have" doesn't really tap the annals of legitimacy in my book.
Post bloods that actually back the story before you tell it. The only thing that you have given us with this post is second rate bro-science.
I don't understand the hostility here, when started learning (not using) about juicing, pct. i was still young 18 at the time and back then you got your "facts" from the guys at the gym, the info wasn't out online like now days, my point was more to start a discussion on how pct has evolved, just like everything else in the past 10 years.. If It worked for me I was wondering if anyone has similar experience. As far as blood work goes, I don't have it to back my "theory" up but, the scale, the mirror and the strength you have, don't lie. We will agree to disagree bro
No hostility here, I just thought your post was just another kid trying to get away without proper pct for recovery.
You came out of the chute with this new progression of cycling when you have no idea if your nuts are staying shut down.
The whole purpose of cycling is to save your nuts so you aren't a lifetime TRT patient. Your new method from "years of experience". Doesn't do that. All you get with your new found knowledge is basically the same results as low test off cycle. You have absolutely No proof that you are saving your nuts.
So, yeah if you felt that my reaction was negative you are correct. There are a shit load of under 30 crowd kids in here looking for an excuse to stay on all the time and they end up frying their nuts before they even get that vast experience that you have. I'm a firm believer that your evolved pct will do nothing but fry a bros nuts.
My suggestion is to show me the money? Show me bloodwork that backs you not needing pct. it's not a matter of agreeing to disagree, it's putting legit shit out on the table which you failed to do.
Hope that explains where I'm coming from.
No hostility, just disdain for bro-science.
You say your intent was to start a discussion to how pct has evolved. The problem is your bro science isn't evolution. It's degradation. No proof, no science, no merit under the guise of info from a seasoned pro.
The fact of the matter is we are now all dumber for having read the post.
Hope that helps.
But to ease what you consider my hostility, I want you to know that I love you (no homo) and i would totally let you hold on to my insideout pocket in prison.
That's exactly his point though, feeling good =\= recovering. You can't use Sarms in lieu of PCT, it does not recover your natural levels, and Sarms are suppressive on their own.
There's nothing to disagree on. The fact is using Sarms in lieu of PCT is not advised, and is not a replacement.
Exactly my point. +2
Feeling good is not nor has it ever been recovery.
+3 bro
I add sarms to my pct, and keep the osta low enough not to be Suppressive, but still do my clomid/nolva alongside.
I would imagine you're test levels are crashed.
Oh, if you want to add sarms to pct, stay away from LGD, it's highly supressive
AnonSorry man but there just isn't enough research or years behind that stuff to convince me to try them
Without bloods to back it up tho bro it means almost nothing. Go get us some bloods!
aside from GW-501516 ability to create cellular energy homestasis and activate receptors in AMP-activated protein kinase, which both lead to more energy and a better over all feeling there is no PCT related function here, it doesnt increase LH, FSH or stimulate leydig cells. and ostarine is a selective androgen receptor modulator. in clinical tests it was shown to up-regulate receptors that connected to the development of skeletal and muscular tissue. , its hypothesized that ostarine may allow the user to have a higher level of muscular and skeletal based homeostasis on a more efficient basis. its typically used for healing or muscle wasting.
neither of these compounds will help, aid or be beneficial in PCT and should not be used to replace it either. using these compounds will give you the same sense of euphoria and well being related to using testosterone. you will most likely maintain those gains using these compounds because of their effect on maintaining muscle, healing and the protein and AMP-activated protein kinase.
so what im saying is youre going to feel good, you going to maintain but you are still shut down and still suppressed.
both these compounds are suppressive also....
Plus two from me all day long bro keep up the good work
+3 bro
+2, Ostarine was shown to be suppressive in males and you are spot on about none of the others listed decreasing lh or fsh. I love it, keep up the research.
thanks Irishmack. i missed this place and all the great people and the old members. good to be back at it helping.
I know Karma shouldnt and doesnt matter to most and really doesnt to me either, but i only ever post helpful stuff that i back up with real knowledge so its great to get the karma as a nod of acknowledgment by others.
thank you
We have been falling behind lately a little with knowledgable posts so its helpful more then you know. Welcome back. We could use it.
Have to +1 you (wish it could be more). Sarms are not PCT replacements. They still supress you in much the same way AAS do. Get bloodwork done and you will see.
To anyone reading this, DO NOT use Sarms as an alternative to PCT. Stick to proper PCT protocol as advised on this forum.
Guess I made it a rant +1 what I was trying to say lol
It is true. even though I'm new to sarms still researching them myself. maka made forum on them as well. From my own experience u definitel still need proper pct protocol to recovery properly hump posted his blood work n experience up from his pct sarm combo also. U know way more then I do wag was just agreeing with u
thank you very much, i used to be super active, but life got busy, so im back for now and going to throw around as much knowledge as possible.
Can you post an example mgs compounds and planned time of use. Or links
Send me a fr, I can guide you towards a lot of good reading material.. Knowledge is power!
i agree...ostarine is my pct for now on...thats all i need