posted Thu, 10/15/2015 - 11:06
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low sex drive help please
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Hi guys im 25 and have about 4 cycles under my belt
Of test deca and test tren did my last cycle about 8 months ago and did clomid nolva pct but thats when the problems started i have little sex drive once a week is plenty ive been to a endo and my results came back today as testosterone level 6nmol/l uk level and range is 6-30 nmol there saying this is normal but surely there wrong what can i do to resolve this? Power pct? Any help would be great.
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Update anyway for the very few what give a dam and arent trolling.. decided to do another agressive pct and doc prescribed vit d so far things looking good boys back to size sex drive/ energy levels deffo alot better going to get bloods after xmas to make sure
What's your dosages for your aggressive pct? Also what dose of vit d u taking? Does the vitamin d help
Sex drive? Are you taking any other natural testosterone boosting supplements?
Ifbbmoeglad to hear it man what exactly did you take for your power pct?
great to hear.
A few heavy cycles can shut anyone down hard. Sometimes it;s just gonna take time to get the HPTA working right again.
Glad to see you got some help from a doc, and from a few of the forum members here.
Disappointed that a few members here have to act like primadonnas and just give you a hard time.
We don't give steroid advice to under 25, but we should never hold back on recovery advice,
Here's a +1 for being smart and seeing your DR.
Cheers buddy, didnt get all the lieing about my age it was only a year out not ten lol but gonna just move on thanks anyway
Go to the doctor , find a good specialist one he will help .
yeah, im late too the party.
troll.
i just noticed you treating members like shit, typical kiddie with no nuts (literally)
get your ass of too the doctors, bloods.
Run clomid and nolva together for a couple weeks or just clomid after my tren test cycle high doses my sex drive ate dirt it's been a year since I cycle and I feel back to normal finally just give it time and lay off the juice
there is much better PCTs than this. especially after running NOR 19's. when running a nor 19 you should run your dopamine agonist (anti prolaction/progesterone) ie prami or caber entirely through cycle and imo for at least a minimum of one month after the end of PCT. Nor 19s have a very long life and can linger for many many months after a cycle has finished.
1) Half life is not determined by the bioactive agent, but the ester. Trenbolone, without an ester, is out of your system in a day.
2) the use of dopamine agonists is routinely recommended on beginner sites like this, despite their danger and rarity of necessity. Certainly, they may improve lust, but this is not a long term solution, and the cardiac stress is not worth it.
We do not entirely understand what the deal is with tren. Môst likely, its strong androgenic agonist properties down regulate androgen receptors. Natural test no longer is able to influence the.
The best course of action is to keep doses low. Strive for slow and steady gains. After a tren cycle, expect to wait for at least 3 months for sexual desire to return to normal. It can take a year for some.
Avoid drugs like caber except for breast issues.
I recommend keeping tren at 50mg eod at the most. There is really no reason to go beyond this if you cycle responsibly, unless your gear is underdosed. Stick with reputable sources.
Do you think that people should not be using dopamine agonists unless they have breast issues? What about the impact of prolactin on the prostate, fsh and lh levels? I'm not sure what you meant by cardiac stress either. The cardiac stress related to caber or the nor 19? I'm not trying to be argumentative. Could you give advice on how to deal with prolaction and other related issues on the hpta if not using dopamine agonist or related compounds. Also in relation to the effects of using and not using those compounds while running a nor 19? I'm truly asking for you to help educate. Its not about creating and argument. Also I'm completely aware of the half life of a compound being a result of the ester. I shouldve been more clear when stating that nor 19s have a very long life as I was refering to the sides from nor 19s rather than the ester.
Mwag, here's a couple articles you might find interesting.
Dane, you should check these out too
https://thinksteroids.com/?s=prolactin
great articles, but they fail to touch on the effects prolactin have on the prostate, FSH, and LH levels, thyroid, energy, testes, fertility, pituitary function, vision and reboot. this is what i was trying to address in my previous post. I take caber, not just for the effects it has on gyno or possible lactation but that it seems increasingly more difficult to reboot with elevated prolactin. my prostate always becomes swollen while on any nor 19 and the effects on my thyroid. I have these sides even if i dont develop any prolactin related gyno or lactation. simply keeping the estrogen under control will keep many of the most obvious prolactin sides under control.
the effects of elevated prolaction on the thyroid can cause Hyperprolactinemia. elevated prolaction has a direct effect on TSH levels, which can cause hypothyroidism. also for those who tend to run it often the effects it has on the testes, fertility and bone mass. ive read several articles for and against the use of anti prolactin drugs and the ones that advocate against their use typically only address the issue of gyno symptoms, erectile dysfunction and fail to measure or address any other symptom or side effects of elevated prolactin. simply stating, unless you have gyno you should not use caber is a poor choice in my opinion, there are so many more sides from prolactin that are as bad if not worse than gyno or lactating. he also goes on to state (i think) that caber causes cardiac stress, for us in the AAS community we dont use it for the extremely long periods or doses that some associate with cardiac related issues. I feel that statement is inaccurate or completely false at best and here is a link to study to dispel http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23824978
we do not run the doses or the length of time they do for parkinsons or in these studies and the studies show little or NO effect at all on cardiac stress or cardiac valve disease. there has been many studies that say the same or show no effect at all.
i stand by there being more benefits to run an anti prolactin while using a nor 19 than to not run one at all.
I should also point that Tren and elevated prolaction levels is a hot topic among the AAS community as many studies have been done, but they have been done typically in the veterinarian sciences, so there is little science to support or disprove elevated prolactin while using tren, after reading many forums and using tren myself I will say its a controversial topic, i have experienced high prolactin on tren and i have not, but we must keep in mind that tren isnt made for human consumption at all, it was designed for bovine use, and there are many factors in why it may cause elevated prolactin, until there is a legit human study this issue will not be put to rest.
in your shoes i would try a complete axis reboot with an aggressive full PCT regimen to hit the whole hormonal scope of it, the bloods would be a huge help to see where you are if you have them. i may be able to walk you through a reboot, its similar to what many do after years of use to try to have kids.
Only bloods which show full hormone pannel i got bro was when i was on pct the results i got yday have blood count etc and only tested for test and vit d doc put me on 800iu a day tabs
you need a full female hormone panel. which should show prolactin, progesterone, estrogen, test and free test. this is the only way anyone on here can give you good credible advice. i would also suggest getting a thyroid check up done to.
A friend of mine had the same issue at 28 (year long tren cycle....moron), went to a hormone clinic they put him on hCG therapy 500 iu a week with an ai...
a year later he still did not fully recover, now he's on trt for life. But another friend of mine also on a very long tren cycle fully recovered with no pct when he got put in jail, he even got out looking bigger!
Work hard! eat clean, take care of your body and your body might surprise you, but you need a strong mind!
HCG is as suppressive as testosterone, Of course he didn't recover, that clinic wanted a lifetime clent.
There is no magic bullet. Recovery really only comes by staying off all drugs for up to a year. Most people do recover however, if they give it time.
This is a great post. Congrats at frying your axis at 24. Sounds like an amazing four cycles. The added tren was totally a smart call bro. FTW bro those short lived gains were totally worth the sacrifice. Who the hell needs to procreate anyways bro.
Luckily your TRT doc will kick ass and prescribe you 200 Mg's of test c that you can take once a month just to keep you above the crash zone for a quarter of the time.
Bro, you only live once. You should totally jump back on the tren train. At least at this point the developing titties will have the chance to produce milk and maybe you could adopt a baby monkey to feed.
Bro, don't kick yourself while you are down. You did it right. You came to eroids posted your eroids age at 26 back in Feb. you are totally G2G. You are 25 now...the anti-aging effect of tren and deca without caber or prami is fricken amaaaaaaazing!
I bet if you jump back on the tren train and look at your identification card again you'll see that you dropped a couple more years in age.
Sweet success story bro!
Bah hahaha!!! Class
Arent you two a pair of f*****g clowns hahaha ur funny arent ya w*****s if ya aint got any input do one
Be realistic here, what were you expecting? You've made some piss poor decisions here then you post up wanting help. How many times do you think we get young guys going this? Gets tiresome. Wind the attitude in -2
Your blood work as you thought is useless. Need to get it redone and/or visit an endo.
Yeah obviously ive made mistakes and i imagine theres others in my place but i thought this was a intelligent forum not keyboard warriors who clearly have no positive input and just make stupid comments im not a complete idiot i have done proper pcts and researched about aas but forget it obviously wasting my time on this forum
Your not a complete idiot???? 4 cycles at the age of 25 Yeh you sound really clever. It sounds like you don't even realise how much damage you could of or have done by ABUSING steroids at such a young age. You come on here after the damage is done expecting people to clean up the mess. If you'd have done the correct research in the first place you wouldn't be in this mess. Good luck
You took steroids and clearly abused them. Youll have to pay the price regardless. Being a basement chemist figuring out how to fix the problem will only make things worse. Leave it up to your endo.
However you feel about it you've got your answer. Like I told you, blood work and / or a visit to an endocrinologist.
Tried this had endo wasnt intrested and hate to say it have a shocking knowledge of compounds well the one i saw anyway but gonna put this to bed now
+1 to offset a pussy neg
-2 for offsetting a legit neg from one of the most solid members of the site.
That's not your job to offset shit. We have a member here who broke the rules, lied about his age and ruined his nuts. Deserves negs all day long.
You jump in as the kids hero and supports lying about age. That to me is worthy of a -2.
So here is a -2 for encouraging unhealthy juicing.
All my love, no homo
Ed
this is true, i remember years ag full karma whoring going on between 2 members occuring, they bumped each other like 15 times in a row, even for comments like "lol", so i stepped in and started "evening out" the bumps lol, i got - 60 for that. so this is true.
Back at ya ED, I made my post before he claimed his neg.
Doesn't matter, he still owned it and it's not your job. -2 for negging me when I didn't break the rules.
Which is against the rules.
I can do this all day.
I gotta go back to work, feel free to neg away.
I only neg when someone breaks the rules.
Have a great day at work.
ED, you were the only one here breaking the karma rules.
Work went well, a little bit cold and rainy though.
How? I negged you for giving un-deserved points as a "bump" for no legitimate reason. You didn't like that I negged you for breaking the rules so you negged me , which is breaking the rules to neg for no reason at all so I negged you back.
You broke the rules because you didn't have any legitimate reason for giving and taking karma. You should understand all of this.
Glad to hear you had a nice day at work.
I am curious as to where I broke any "karma rules"?
You negged me for encouraging someone to continue asking for help when they need it. Your neg was the one breaking the rules, not mine.
While Cat thought the guy was out of line in his reply to your post, I thought it was appropriate.
I'd like to see the OP get some help here on eroids, not just run off after getting negged into the red.
Do we want him to just leave eroids and end up on Evo, and buying HCGenorate?
No, I negged you for cancelling out a legitimate neg from cat. That's not your job.
I think it's noble that you are coming to the rescue of this kid but, he started shit with a lie. He lied about his age early on, was a dumbass, and now is paying for it. He asks for help but doesn't accept any of it. I didn't neg him but probably should have.
I've got no problem with little kids learning lessons the hard way when they lie about shit from the beginning and then bitch when I don't tell them they are pretty.
Personally, I would love to see this little prick disappear. We have too many little kids on the site as it is.
If your 15 year old kid wants to use heroin, do you take him by the hand and show him how to do it safely? I sure as hell don't.
Bit of an assumption.....
nobody owned it, doesn't that make it a pussy neg?
You posted while I was typing the above. The one that includes -2 and why. Not sure why you feel the need to rectify, swearing at people, lying about his age when he joined aren't exactly what I want to see. He might not like Ed's joking at his expense, but surely have to expect to take a touch of sarcasm?
I''m of the opinion we should give the guy some constructive criticism, how about a little advice after calling him a dumbass. We have some knowledgeable guys here that can probably point him in the right direction.
His reply to ED was pretty tame, he even ### over his curse words. The guys got bigger issues than his karma..
Advice? Did I not tell him to get blood work done????
I was referring to ED's post.
I don't think Danes reply was out of line.
My opinion differs. In my eyes if you make a bad call, take it on the chin knowing you're getting what you need, assistance. Even if it costs you a little humility. That's probably easier when you're older in fairness. Lying about your age I take issue with, I dislike dishonesty, although admittedly I'm probably a little idealistic in that respect.
A touch of bad timing with the neg issue, no big deal. I'd suggest if there's any "evening out requirements" leave it to a mod to clear up. I'm sure they won't be shy about it.
Cat, you are a pretty even keeled guy and easy to discuss things with.
It was simply an issue of timing, I saw an un-owned neg and acted upon it.
According to ED's stat's he's 17.
Wish this place had more guys with your mindset bro
go get some bloods done. use the female hormone panel at privatemdlabs or labsmd.com
See what your test level is, and if you are putting out luetenising hormone and follicle stimulating hormone.
It could take a while, but you will probably recover. Keep reading up on the science behind PCT, and remember how shitty you feel right now before doing another cycle.
and take 10,000 iu of Vita D daily
Kool bro its strange i dont feel shit tbh work and day to day life is normal energy good moods good
It wasnt when i was on pct but thats expected isnt it only thing what lacks 8 months on is labido twice a week with wife is plenty thanks for ur info appreciate it
Doc only gave me testosterone result yday and im very low in vit d only bloods i have what show all info was while i was on pct which is useless isnt it? its just worrying having low test nearly a year always used pharma pct meds but no caber or prami what would you think to trying the power pct?