posted Fri, 10/09/2015 - 18:46
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+ 1 Are we being ripped off like Piana says?
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I'm no expert. Is there any truth to this? Alot of sources sell 3,4,5,600 mg.
I've done a 400 mg from a certain source ant it did hurt like a B.
But I also have a bunch of sus 350 from a recent promo (I'm sure alot of u know from whom I speak of )
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I know the only real way to determine is bloodwork.
Opinions on this?
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I know this is a few months old, but I'm simply chiming in here cuz I just watched a few Rich Piana videos tonight. He advocates a lot of the same advice as the vets here do.
His size intimidates people (me included!!!) but in the end, he's actually a guy who really cares.
DON'T FUCK YOURSELF UP BY BEING STUPID.
That's advice I can get behind.
Of course you can nake all kinds of high mg per ml stuff but can the body stand to take it is the question.
As guys said the solvents and ratios and the item not being painful as hell is the issue.
EQ is a solid, however depends on temp. usually at about 70-75F and above it will be liquid (I have to look up exact melt point, been a while as I have know this for years. Now would I make it 800-1000mg hell no. IMO to much to absorb in one injection spot, even if near painless to inject.
Can it be made though at 800mg+ per ml, yes most probably and with not to much pip, since it liquifies easily at low temps and holds in solution extremely easy.
Test E and Dec also hold very easily. Now you start messing with Tren series, Methenelones, Propionate esters then you may see lets say tren hex or ace at 150-200mg per ml, but you will not see much above that. You would be talking some serious hurt. SUS if made right you can get around 400, maybe 500mg per ml and stay very low pip , but above that is pushing it. With certain solvents and ratios adjusted just right some higher mg's are possible
I ask though why risk guys pitching such high claims per ml. More risk they try to vut it short, more risk to pip or site issues.
My thinking is keep the levels more steady I mean hell 3 shots a week mixed with say sus 300 and eq, that alone is a total of 1800mg weekly. Or better yet TNE or Prop daily and the EQ and your levels are going to be more steady in your blood stream and yielding better reultts than doing abig dump of something once a week.
Tren E is a great example most people it jacks up their bp, crazy numerous sides for what ? Because you don't want to pin 3 or 6-7 times a week on Tren Ace which in my experience usually much less sides and the more regularly pinned at same times daily on schedule then the more steady the elevated levels and results are
to me it is why you can get away with more moderate doses of lots of Test and get better results. taking Prop ed or sus more steadily will have your daily levels steadier and higher while at the end of the week your total mg count ends up near the same or even much less and yet results as good or better from the more steady lesser mg injections ........i.e. 2ml's a day prop 100 =1400mg a week, 3 ml a day Test Enan 500 = 1500mg a week. I will bet you some money you fell better and stronger on the prop, it is in fast, peaking fast, and when you come off it is cleaned out fast. The enan takes longer to be active, daily energy levels will not be as high from it and takes longer to clear the system when discontinued.
RustyhookerProblem with your analysis on prop vs enanthate is molecular weight. 100mg prop ed by weight is near a gram of test. So if you're running 200mg per day you'd better be very skilled.
I would agree with you there. I was mentioning 1500mg plus a week of test enan. Of course most would not be running that unless very advanced or the 100-200mg Prop ED either for that matter. I just personally prefer the response I get from prop or TNE and or Tren Ace. Most guys are not going to look at the molecular weight and get highly scientific , though it would be much better if they did.
RustyhookerVery true. Have a great day
Pharmacy makes it at these dosages because it's for trt. These dosages get u at normal levels
majority of it sounds like a load of bullshit, pharma companies make it at those doses because marketing has led to show it would be best for profits, easiest for consumers, old recipes ect. From my own experience test e i made was 310mg-312.5mg/ml at 2/18 ba/bb in small controlled quantities was the best test i've ever made for gains and with the least pain I've ever had from an injection. 250mg/ml from a supposed 'pharma-ugl' company gave me way more pain then what I've ever made and I was use to pinning at that point, and other gear such as testp at 75 and 100mg/ml and tren a 75/ml hurt way more, 75mg hurt way more than the 100mg even in the same cycle, it mostly comes down to the manufacturer/batch/recipe/process. I've never seen anything over T400 but T400/500 would be possible given the brewer has the right equipment and tailor-made recipe, as gear with a much higher concentration can crash way easier different solvents have oils have to be used to get it right. Also, my biology may be a little off here but regardless of the mg concentration any foreign particles in your body will trigger an immune response giving 'flu-like symptoms', and it will only last as long as your body believes it's in danger which is normally a week (someone correct me on this if i'm wrong), i wont go into more detail on this unless someone wants me to
Yes Sir, You are correct.
I should mention that high dosage preparations can be made.
Test "E" will hold upto 600mg/ml
EQ will hold upto 900mg /ml
I could give other example, however the question at hand is "Are we being ripped off"
this i cant answer for definite, but it can and has been Done, because i have done it.
therfore i dont see why a UGL wouldnt attempt it.
Pharma grade Labs probably wont bother.
I can add to this thread but only if it is requested, and within Eroids rules
IronGym,
you are correct and many will agree it can be done.
i think however there is always a cut off point on what the body can absorb and actually utilize.
Also would be price per compound. i.e. 600mg Test E would ne more than double the main compound, eq 900mg nearly triple or quadruple the amount of base compound. So I would think we start getting pricey per unit on the basics, not to mention the more expensive compounds i.e. Trens, Primos and so on.
If in the end you are doing 1/4 mil or 1/2 mil of something and cost is at minimum going to be a bit more then I just dont see the point on many of them.
To me if running multiple compounds and using higher doses then it is best to have it dispensed more often, on schedule and maintain a steadier base line in the body. Minimizing peaks and valleys so to speak.
This in my experience always seems to deliver more results.
Now if we can narrow down how much of each item the body can actually absorb per week, and how quick the uptake is for said compound , now then we know where we would want to top out at and how often to administer said compound....... at that point then it it would be very interesting at least
I think the fast esters, administered more frequently and steadily an individual is better off. Base line is much steadier and pronounced. Why not also increase effect by running caber, arimiidex, nolvadex and proviron.... all around putting estrogen low, decreasing effect of shbg and keeping more testosterone receptors open on the whole and available to soak up the test and goodies ?
-yielding great effects but reducing the mega doses, side effects and potential harm.
-in the end I think getting more results from less risk.
Do not get me wrong , I am not saying I do teeny tiny amount. What I am saying is why not get more bang for my buck by using the ancils on whatever the individual is doing. (you can always toss Drive in there to open up receptors further and in my experience it works well)
Keep posting brother, that is why we are all here.
have a great day !!!
RustyhookerYessir. Well said and also true on the flu as you described. Very true. Added pip you noted is many of the hotplate ugl adds more ba and bb than necessary to offset any contamination.
so you do brew then? figured as much.
yeah, couples years back for my first two cycles but i found its easier and safer to just stick with good quality pre-mades i've been able to get my hands on for my last and my upcoming, i've only ever brewed test
I reckon the douche is laughing at us still debating his bullshit.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^^this! Any publicity is publicity. As he lives beach front. Lol
Sounded like a bunch of bullshit too me.
if its available in pharma grade buy pharma. peroid. the only things not to use pharma grade are those compounds that were never intended for human use. i.e. tren, eq, ect.
yes, you can fit more than what rich says in a CC using things like guaiacol and EO but the hormone still isnt as pure no matter how much you can fit.. id take 250mg pharma amps over test 400, 500,600 whatever of the same ml any day. simply put, its better and can be trusted 100%
Where's Rich Piana's chemistry degree from?
Seriously you can suspend a LOT of hormone in all using the right products and equipment, way more than you would like to inject. Putting it into a vial is easy, it's making it so it doesn't feel like you've pinned hot lava that's the challenge.
Ive had some test e 400 that was really good to go
never heard of 500 or 500 before
Who cares what that dipshit says
I was wondering the same exact thing. That's why even before watching that video I akways bought 200-300max mg/ml test but EQ iv gotten 250-400 in the past. The one thing I ak worried about is EQ500 I have recently got. I am wondering if it's a true 500. I see most pharm grade EQ is dosed 50-200max so now I am nervous. Any feedback? Plus it's from a top 10 source that's been around so that's where im stuck.
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StevebPharmaceutical grade EQ does not exist. It's intended for race horses not humans.
I didn't mean pharmaceutical grade EQ, I know it's only made for vets, I meant for example labs that follow pharma protocol like some Indian labs (I don't know if I can name labs) but labs we can get from top international sources. They only make EQ 200 maybe eq250. That's what I was wondering, is EQ 500 regularly possible? If so, is it realistic? Or is EQ 500 most like EQ300 for example?
yes it is bro, i even remember a resident guru viking getting eq dosed at 1000mgs a ml.
RustyhookerHe states it's impossible. Research dan duchaine. Creator of modern steroids and cycles. He used to post everything on this subject. His posts are over 20 years old which proves piana is a bullshit artist. Every ugl today is created from duchaine posted info.
He's not saying it's not possible. He's just saying that if it doesn't hurt like a bitch going in/post injection trauma, then it's most likely falsely labeled...
Like anything, there are good and bad. This includes AAS sources. Some will stay true to the numbers they advertise, others will do what they can to make as much money/sales as possible.
I've gotten bloods on sust 500 and it was in fact sust 500. Hurt to shoot alone but it was properly dosed
fuck what he says, its because he slings his own brand of juice and its all normal doses, im using test 400 now, ive used test 500 and test 600, ive had blood work done over the years and the doses are definatley higher than the standard 250, number prove it.
StevebYeah but blood work doesn't answer that question. I can't inject test higher than 400mg. Test 500 and over will give me test flu and usually cause a lot of pain.
answer what question? so your saying that if you inject 1ml of test e 250mgs a week for 5 weeks, go get bloods you have a number of total test.
you inject test e 600 1 ml a week for 5 weeks, you go get bloods, you get a number of total test.
the test 600 is over 2 x times higher.....
what the fuck are you getting at?
StevebThat blood test don't tell you the exact concentration of the bottle. When they make huge blends at high concentrations I do not believe most are what they say on the label. Like when a source made EQ 800mg or higher. That is what I was fucking getting at sir.
Holy shit someone was selling EQ@800mg/ml? That's crazy. When you're basically at a half gram of powder per ml, you have to remember there's going to be more BA/BB needed to dissolve the hormone. I think that's where some of the pain is coming from.
Eq is normally a liquid in its raw form I'm pretty sure. My guess is that's why it's easier to have such high dosed eq.
Ya i believe it is liquid. it's melting point is room tempature.
agree too disagree again, scrag. lol.
I don't believe in this. If the source used 80% pure raw, and brews it like it is 96%, it will not be 100mg, 200mg or 500mg. It's all in the math.
I can't believe I contributed a view to this douches video.
I can't beeline you only called him a douche. You're way too nice ;-)
Lol.. sorry. I know. A little of this guy goes a long way. Just looking on some feedback.