+ 4 Time To learn and discuss
Ok here is the scenario.. lets say a 30 year old male been training for 10 years and has ran a several cycles here is the compounds he has run
test e
sust
prop
decca
npp
tren
equipoise
dbol.
now Mr jones is 6feet tall 225 pounds BF% is 10% he is wanting to run a 16 week bulk cycle and he isn't afraid to put on a little fat with it. he also would like to gain a sold 25 pounds.. your goal is to take the compounds listed and make him a cycle limit it to only 3 compounds and list what his calorie intake should be. then based on what compounds you choose im going to throw u a curve ball and throw side effects at you then you must tell me how to take care of them. LETS EDUCATE SOME PEOPLE TODAY.( this is fun nobody will be bashing anyone in here if they do they will be excused from my thread)
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no need for the Cialis till blood work comes back
Testosterone i agree with.
T3 why are you recommending this in a stack??
PallMallTo help increase his metabolic rate.
if his thyroid is functioning ok leave out the T3 messing with that could fry it where it wont work correctly anymore..
Excellent advice! Exactly what I would have said! +
Test E(750mg/week), Decca(500mg/wk) and D-Bol(60mg/ week).....5,000 calories per day
test E- 16wks
decca- 14 weeks
d-bol- 7 weeks
ok how many weeks would you suggest running dbol? and why
7 weeks....d-bol will give him some water weight/bloat....so an additional 9 weeks left to shed/firm up
lets stop right there 7 weeks is to long to run dbol straight you point of return where you gains will stop is around week 3 or 4. now you can run 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off . but its highly toxic to your liver and never a good idea to run it straight for 7 weeks
Lol + again!!!!
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Some of us learned a lot from you bro we try to pass it along
Its great to see bro........... im just busy catching fakes in the pic section at the moment, if i was still wearing the MOD tag the fkn hammer would be RED HOT.
lmao!! I was waiting for someone to say that! Maybe BFG can give you a "temp mod" tag. Lol
Nah.... ive done my time at that game bro..... just enjoying spending time with you guys now
Lol I know you have... And you were a great mod at that. Nice to see you on the other side of the fence.
break time I will go get popcorn and head over
sent link the bro............ not having this shit, guys here work hard to get in shape and some fkn fake robs pics from the net to gain karma!......... fuck that!!
DOO! I should have listened to Jose Conseco....less is more in AAS. Since he was an experienced AAS user I thought he may be able to handle that dosage/time
that's why we are here so you can learn... now about 10 weeks your lips are chapped very lethargic bloated all the time whats the first thing you do
Put a new post on e-roids and make an appt w/ my endo (lol).....adjust my ai dosage and incorporate hcg???
this was a little advanced sorry... chapped lips can be a sign of low estro being lethargic is also a sign of low or high estro. but where does the bloated fit in here? and no the HCG does not fit into this . your right to a degree first thing is if your not experienced is get your bloods done to see whats going on inside your body ...
OK now iron game answered lets see some new guys put together a cycle from my compounds and we will go from there
1250mgs of sust
750mgs of deca
dbol 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
Its kinda difficult to give him a calorie intake without knowing his metabolism and his daily activiy level, for example my old roomate had a slow metabolism and was 6'1 240 and would get fat as fuck on 4000 extremely clean calories a day with 40 mins of cardio a day and an intense 1.5hr gym session 5-6 days a week. All he needed was 3000 cals a day to add size and he would still add a little fat. So lets assume this guy has an average metabolism not a crazy fast one of a teenager, at that weight I would start him around 4500 calories and steadily increase throughout the cycle as he gets bigger and bigger.
+3 bro.
I,m gonna just watch this thread for a while to see what others come up with.
ohh no chime in anytime
About week 8 nipples are getting very itchy and a lump is forming under my nipple . The lump hasn't got hard yet
Well I wish mr 30 year old wouldn't have waited until a lump began to form and notified us when his nips started getting itchy and puffy cause now we have to use greater amounts of ais to reverse the lump and this larger amount will lower estrogen to a point were gains will suffer. That is unless we use nolvadex, it will totally block estrogen receptors in the breast tissue halting any growth and in most cases the lump will go away. Contrary to popular belief tamoxifen does not increase gyno while on 19 nors. The idea was put out there by some meatheads who read the study which found nolva upregulates progesterone receptors in the uterus. So they all figured well if it does it there it must do the same in the breast tissue, which is not the case. Myself and many others have and still use nolva with deca without any problems. Not to mention it was the standard for years and years until ais came into play. My prep cycle was done by one of the best in the business and he to had me on low dose nolva all cycle with deca during the bulking phase of the prep.
So I would start him on 20mgs of phsrm grade nolva. That way we don't have to get rid of the highly anabolic estrogen floating around in his body but we still resolve the gyno problem very quickly. And also 50mg of proviron to offset the rise in shbg that high estro can cause.
Some may say use adex etc but will have to lower his estrogen to the point where gains will suffer and his goal will not be met. Or they'll argue about nolva and deca but its bullshit, what ones read doesn't matter to me, I've ran them together many times as well as 1000s of others. Now if you said he had high bp and had bad water retention then I would put him on an ai, but I would still put him on the nolva for a week or two as it's the quickest way to nip gyno in the butt.
very good you get a star sticker for today..... now if we can get some newbs in here
Yay a star lol.
What about you, same sceniaro except I throw you a curve ball.
sust@ 1750 a week pinning ED
Decca 1000 mg a week
equipoise 800 mg
starting my calories at 5000 going up to 7,000a week. doing 30 min of cardio 3 days a week
hitting 2 a days morning and night 45 min each time.. 6 days a week... has a medium metabolizim
Starting around week 9 gains are slowing significantly, you up his cals by another 500, totally change his training program to shock his muscles but the weight he's adding is very slow and at this point mostly fat. What do you do?
if that's the case I get my bloods drawn to check my estro see where its at because if gains have stopped and the weight I am adding is fat chances are its really high.. I switch from arimidex to aromasin 12.5 mg ED while I wait on my blood to come back that should do the trick.