posted Tue, 07/28/2015 - 11:34
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When you take caber while on deca
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When should one start taking caber while running tren? Should you wait 3 to 4 weeks after first pin of deca when blood levels are at thierr peak to start? Or, start taking it right off the bat?
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Clarify what you're actually running, including type of tren (ace, enanthate). You mention deca, then tren?????
One can begin taking caber from the beginning of the cycle. However as explained below, it isn't need to take a medication that was originally intended for hyperprolactinemia and parkinson's patients unless e2 is left unchecked.
When taking a 19nor the only time one needs to begin taking a DA is if mid cycle blood work indicates elevated prolactin levels, or one experiences PRO induced sides. PRO can only become elevated if e2 is allowed to climb out out of reference range. This means that if one controls e2 correctly, with the use of an AI, then the need for using a DA will be mitigated.
If one is taking an AI and blood work indicates elevated prolactin levels, or one experiences PRO induced sides, then a DA should be taken along with a larger AI dose. This is because the original AI dose was not sufficient enough to keep e2 levels from rising.
This is one reason why 19nors should only be used by experienced researchers. Precious cycle containing similar doses of aromatizing compounds need to be run so one knows how to properly control e2.
+1 This is %100 the correct answer. Dopamine Agonists are very serious chemicals that act on your brain. Why use such a potentially harmful drug when you can just control your estrogen?
lol. explain this please?
Lol which part
jsut want you to explain what you said above, what do you mean?
I mean exactly what I said. Numbere covered the control of estrogen perfectly so I won't touch that. Dopamine agonists work in the brain and trick the dopamine receptors into releasing dopamine. Possible side effects are psychosis, hallucinations, uncontrolled body movements, compulsive behaviors, and heart problems. I do realize that alot of those side effects are more pronounced at doses used to treat Parkinsons disease and not at the lower levels we typically use to control prolactin, but not always. I would bet most steroid users get their Da's from research companies which are not exactly known for dosing accuracy and that could lead to the side effects listed above. I've personally used Ropinirole and Pramipexole and can tell you I don't like the way they make me feel. Earlier this year I ran a cycle of low Test, Deca, and Tren E. I never ran a Da, only controlled my estrogen and I never had any sides to indicate high Prolactin. What have been your personal experiences with any of the chemicals mentioned in this thread?
Prami kicks my ass!! Even at the start with a low low dose. Can't sleep, sick at my stomach. Won't touch that shit again.
It's weird because I've never gotten those sides from Prami. I can ramp up to 1mg in just a couple of days with no trouble.
I'm curious as well.. My understanding is that deca causes prolactin issues. Caber helps with that issue and an ai is used for estro issues. Am I wrong?
You're correct, but like I wrote in my first post PRO will not be an issue as long as e2 is managed correctly.