Over 40 new to TRT, best T to cut weight
I am pretty new to all of this. Have been using an online clinic and I have been taking test cyp (about 150 per week for 8 months) and peptide (ipamoreline, samoreline) 3 months. Not too thrilled with my results so far. I don't see too much difference and i haven't reached my goals of cutting the weight that I want. Physique not changed much. Im looking at other types of testosterone to use to cut weight. I have been looking at some of the dragon pharma products, one of which is a cut mix containing test prop/drustanolone propriate and trenbolene acetate. Wondering if something like this would be worth taking to cut weight and how long I would need to take it? Any advice from the forum as to what types of T and combinations i should try and for how long would be greatly appreciated!!
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Diet is the key to success, you can NEVER out exercise or out gear a bad diet.
coalmanSure the test helps a lot.but it works a lot better when your diets right.try running some Deva on low protein and see what doesn't happen.the better guys will always have the protein intake right.ofcourse ive never been 70lbs overweight.lol
Baldur2630Guidelines for serious body builders are > 2.0 gms protein per kg bodyweight.
coalmanHard workouts and diet.high protein and low fat.drugs alone wouldn't do it.the diet and the drugs go hand in hand.that's my opinion.
Baldur2630Rubbish, I lost 35 kgs plus another 5 kgs that suddenly appeared out of nowhere when I started taking Creatine. I didn't know at the time, but my free testosterone was almost ZERO. I was at the gym 5 times a week, sometimes fro 2 hours or more and my diet was mainly protein powder, fish, chicken breast and steak. Very low carbs and low fat. ZERO drugs.
After 7 months and after the above weight loss, I started trying to GAIN muscle. That's when I found that as soon as I started eating my full calories plus 200 more, I gained FAT and my strength was dropping. I had always felt tired and depressed and hadn't even thought about sex for six years.
It was only then that I started researching testosterone and by the time my idiot doctor and endo had wasted another two months of bullshit to find I had almost ZERO free testosterone and refusing to treat me for it, I had gained most of that fat I had lost, back again.
It took me almost just as long to lose it for a second time, but at least my lifts went up, and after that, I'm starting to put on quite a bit of muscle, but at 74 years old, it's fucking hard work!
Baldur2630There are two ways to lose weight and only two : -
Buy Fitness Assistant (http://www.x3msoftware.com) or use one of the free apps for you phone or tablet to track your calorie intake and calories burned. Now start doing lots of cardio, every day and make sure that you burn AT LEAST 500 calories more than you eat. You will lose weight BUT you will lose as much muscle as you lose fat.
Buy Fitness Assistant (http://www.x3msoftware.com) or use one of the free apps for you phone or tablet to track your calorie intake and calories burned. Now do HEAVY resistance training at least three days per week (this does not mean waggling 2 or 3 kg Dumbbells in your comfort zone). It means pushing your body to lift heavier and heavier weights, it shouldn't be easy and you should feel it and you should ache afterwards. Now add one or two days cardio on top of that and again make sure that not only do you eat at least 500 calories less than you burn, but make sure that you eat a high protein diet 1.8 to 2.0 gms per kg of bodyweight. This way you will keep your muscle and lose FAT, which one would assume must people want, but fail to do.
It doesn't matter what you take, if you eat more than you burn you will get FATTER, it really is that simple. You should check your thyroid. If it's hypo then think about T3 as a supplement.
I downloaded the Myfitnesspal app. Ive been monitoring my diet for one week now. Im setting my goal at 2600 calories per day to start. 60 grams of fat/235 gr protein and 302 of carbs. The hardest part so far is to keep under 60 grams of fat. Seems every day im going over that. Otherwise I'm doing well. So just to clarify, are you saying that if i eat 1500 calories in one day, I should burn 2000? Thats a lot of cardio...
Baldur2630I know a lot of people have a 'thing' about fat. I wouldn't worry TOO much about fat. The most important thing is PROTEIN. That doesn't mean stuff in pork scratching and suchlike. All things in moderation.
If you eat 1500 calories you should burn >2200 calories. Most of this should be from resistance training and keep the cardio down. Cardio burns as much muscle as it does fat. If you can keep you calories down to 700 - 1000 less than you burn, you will lose weight. What you want to lose is FAT, not muscle, hence my emphasis on resistance training. The only way to get stronger is to lift heavier weights.
These are two ways to do this. I advise to mix them.
(a) Pyramid. Four sets of 10 reps. First set about 50% of your 1RM (one rep maximum) for warmup. Next set add weight, next set add more weight. Last set you should not be able to complete 10 reps. If you can, your last set is too light!
(b) Reverse Pyramid. 4 sets. Set One, 10 or 15 reps 40-50% of your 1RM. Then try to do ONE rep at the maximum possible weight. If you can get this to three reps it's too light! Take weight OFF and try for next set of 6 reps, take off more weight do a set of 8 reps, finally take weight until you are at 40-50% of your 1RM and do as many reps as you possibly can until your muscle feels like it's on fire.
If you do pyramid, allow 1-2 mins between sets. For reverse pyramid allow 4 or 5 mins between heavy lifts.
Avoid sugar, candy, alcohol, white flour, white rice, pre-prepared microwave crap, fizzy drinks. No, I'm not an advocate of eating fruit and veg, that is bollocks. Sure, enjoy a bit of fruit and broccoli, spinach, peas, carrots etc., but PROTEIN is the key. Yesterday, I ended up Almost 2000 calories short of my basic requirements, it not a problem, but if you do it too often your body goes into starvation mode and starts storing everything it can as fat.
Finally remember just because you spent 2 hours in the gym (and spent half that time chatting to the girls or sitting on your butt between exercises, this is NOT the time you spent burning calories! Take a stop watch and take the time it takes to do each set, allow 1 min recovery time and THAT is what you enter for exercise time.
Thanks for this info. I haven't been doing pyramid or reverse pyramid but I will start now. I see a trainor once a week and ill ask him to help me incorporate this. As for the starvation mode, to avoid this I should try to get close to my daily requirements as far as fat, protein , carbs etc??
Baldur2630What is your weight? My wife was 80 kgs, she aimed for 250 - 400 calories per day less that her requirements. I weighed 140 kgs and I was aiming at 1,000 to 1500 calories less daily. As your fat gets burned and your muscles get bigger, you burn more calories, if you find that you hit a plateau on a very low calorie diet (my wife stayed the same weight for a month, so she went to a maintenance diet for a fortnight and then back to eating her diet, but then only aiming for around 200 calories daily.) eat normally for a while and then back to the diet.
I ate 1,000 to 1500 calories less (when I started TRT) and the fat melted away. I'm down to 107 kg now and on a muscle GAIN diet (200 - 250 calories MORE than I burn. My weight isn't going up much, but I'm a hell of a lot stronger and I have to keep adding more holes to my belt!
Even now I have more fat than I would like, but I'm thinking that it will take me at least another year to get where I want.
I'll tell you right now, it's a damn lot easier to LOSE fat than it is to put on muscle, especially at 74 years old!
Your testosterone should be good and along with the ipam which is more than enough to cut weight with. Adding more compounds is going to complicate things and when you don't get results your going to give up all together on your health. What you need to do is educate yourself on foods and diet, carbs, protein, fat intake then put it all into motion along with cardio.
You are setting yourself up for disappointment. You are already going in way over your head. Why don't you tell us what your diet is like?
Ive been doing no carbs during the week Monday through Friday. Friday Sat and Sunday eating pretty much anything.
Unless your sub 10% and having a hard time getting that last bit of fat to come off doing no carbs is not the answer and if you think about it your going into ketosis and then the weekend comes and your going back to using carbs for energy and that cycle repeats. If you haven't figured out your maintenance cals yet that's your first step. You want to keep your carbs as high as you can until you have to lower them. I started my diet with my carbs over 600 and been dieting for 9 weeks , they still aren't below 300 and I've lost 20 lbs so far. Around 10% atm. Testosterone doesn't make you lose weight it only keeps your test level in a optimal range while dieting. It's different for everyone but most people's natty test levels are not affected until they drop well under 10%.
How can I figure out maintenance calories? My body fat is like 27 percent.( I'm six one and 215.). Sorry for being newbie at this...If u can lead me to the right direction for diet to start that would be great.
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