+ 2 Tren: Let's talk side effect solutions
First let's get to know Tren:
"Trenbolone Acetate, a 19-nor steroid, is derived from the compound Nandrolone. It is characterized by strong androgenic properties and no estrogenic activity. This anabolic steroid has a binding affinity for androgen receptor five times the strength Testosterone. Trenbolone Acetate is admired globally by elite athletes as it can dramatically improve the uptake of nitrogen by muscles and improve the level of protein synthesis. Ideal for cutting cycles, Tren A does not get metabolized by aromatase or 5α-reductase into estrogenic compounds like estradiol or into Dihydrotestosterone (DHT)." - from Wikipedia
Sides:
Tren is known for side effects as well as its overall strength as a steroid; reported side effects include extreme emotional response/rage, acne, loss of sex drive, night sweats, Tren cough or shortness of breath as well as a generally high toxicity level compared to other synthetics.
Quality Tren will and should increase libido significantly, and even more so for those using Tren A. The other side effects mentioned above are very much a reality of Tren. Tren is a powerful drug and should not be taken by an inexperienced user without knowledgeable consultation/guidance.
The most important thing to understand about Ten is there are two very distinct types: Acetate and Enanthate. This will sound familiar to anyone who has used testosterone E or A in the past but Tren is unique in that a user will find a great variance in both the benefit and side effects of the two.
The big difference here is the esters; Tren E has less esters, peaks slowly but surely and leaves the system much slower, think oil based vs water based. The system effectively absorbs more per milligram of tren A and will provide more muscle density. Tren A is significantly more powerful and you will get more 'bang for your buck' but Tren A is notorious for having side effects to such a degree than many will or cannot cycle Tren.
How:
As mentioned above Tren Enenthate and Tren Acetate are very different drugs in terms of how your body reacts. Enenthate has a longer life in the system and can be taken less often and Tren A is absorbed more easily than Tren E by the system, meaning you get more out of Tren A than you do Tren E. However, Tren A can be very hard on the system and cause fairly extreme side effects as mentioned above; side effects are not avoidable with Tren, but they can be mitigated.
Tren E gives most of the strength and benefits of its counter part but with far less side effects. Tren E can be taken sparingly once every 4-5 days that will provide great results with little side effects.
If you are interested in taking Tren or you are someone who has taken Tren fairly unsuccessfully (often users will stop taking Tren due to sides) then taking Tren E as opposed to Tren A as well as taking a second look at how you dose and when you dose with some consultation from an experienced user or lab may be the answer for you.
Interested in hearing how users have reacted to either and how and if they overcame sides.
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I prefer the enanthate version, better gains overall and less to no negative sides. Once past the 4 week mark it's all gains.
The only bad sides i get with ace is agitation leading to bad thoughts but I keep it all inside, can't really go exploding on people, not a recipe for success when everyone hates the sight of you lol.
Forgetting that I also get breathless on both esters, not much i can do about this so just get on with it.
Best way to negate sides ime... Shoot Every day!!!!! EOD shots cause soo much more side effects than Ed pins ime. Other than that... ??
Couldn't agree more KAP,
Ed shots are how I run my sust also =no side effects what so ever.
Short esters should be run Ed injection to avoid the rolercoaster
yep. with higher CCs/week during short ester heavier cycles. ED not only cuts sides down alot but also decreases oil volume per injection. ed shots are pretty standard anytime im running any shorter esters
Diet without a doubt for me.
Sugary and processed crap I find makes the sweats and BP unable to control.
Clean eating and I'm sorted. Then again I don't get the 'terrible' sides people mention on the Internet.. Yet that is.
Great read thanks for all the input in this thread guys I'll be starting my first tren run Monday I've held off as long as I can but I feel it's time now.
Awesome, thanks for all the input everyone! Hoping this proves to be useful for those having a hard time or are adverse to jumping on the tren wagon. But again I 100% believe you need to listen to your body, if it's not for you it's not for you.
Handsumhustlaa23I use low test high tren a and it seems to subside my sides rather to doing high test low tren
tren over stimulates central nervous system, one reason why you get shit all quality sleep, besides that it raises cortisol, the main stress hormone in the body, besides all the PGR sides, thyroid issues and blood pressure troubles, i believe if you control cortisol, the tren train sides for sleeping and sweating can be lowered by controlling the cortisol, and the stress, injectable vitamin b and c work well for this.
I'm not sure I follow you correctly Flash. Are you saying tren stimulates cortisol production? That makes no sense to me. How is this so?
Symptoms of an over active nervous system are: anxiety, panic attacks, nervousness, insomnia, breathlessness, palpitations, inability to relax, cannot sit still, jumpy or jittery, poor digestion, fear, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, sleeplessness- cortisol to name but a few, i see what your saying below about the tren staving of cortisol etc the problem is at the same time the tren is staving it off, the body is still fighting for homeostasis, which in turn releases cortisol, and as all this is going on, the SNS is causing further stress in the body trying to release even more cortisol, add in struggling kidneys and bad cholesterol and you have a battle going on inside your system, which again releases more cortisol.
But wouldn't high cortisol actually make you sleepy? It is also catabolic to both fat and muscle.
you should be telling me mate, your the brainy science guy on eroids, lol.
im saying that when i cycle tren, this is what i put it down too, what i mean is with the nervous system being over dominant or what ever you may call it, stress levels are higher, i guess its a bit like the old school estrogen and prolactin debate, you know the one where people say if you control estro the PGR wont be stimulated as much? i personally think if you control the stress from the sns etc sleep can be of higher quality, stress = cortisol.
this is a good topic, ive been researching this exact topic for about 2 years now, there is no definitive answer, i remember you had a great post on it, i had 3 posts on it before my last ban, i deleted all my posts because i had a bunch of trolls go through every page and disrespect me lol.
lets keep this topic going though, im keen to see others responses.
My current tren run seems to be treating me well. Other than feeling pissed off at times I can't complain. Mainly feeling the benefits!
Was a little nervous about going with the enanthate ester as it would be in my system longer without the ability to just ship should shit get bad (sides).
As long as you're aware of that and you're in the gym working off the aggression you should be good.
I know I am gonna get blasted for this; but I think high glycemic carbs at night before bed maximizes tren benefits. I think because the tren's unique partitioning ability and it's ability to stave of cortisol production while increasing anabolism and increases lypolisis (fat burning), it makes it the perfect time for carbs. The sharp insulin spike just before bed leads to all this benefits I just mentioned but also causes a rebound hypoglycemic response causing sweats and shivers, nightmares etc...
I know it sounds crazy but I could eat a donut before bed and sweat like crazy waking up looking leaner.
My dude, don't forget the warm pecan pie with whip cream, mmmmmmm, just what the doc ordered before nightmares with blood and guts! True story, I got three slices left, so I am covered through Friday, then I am thinking some good ole blue bell ice cream.
Yeah but all those cuts from burnin calories all night long! I would say it's a fair trade!
Is this why my sweet tooth kicks in right before bed?
Lol! Not likely. Your body may be craving carbs but late night sweet tooth hits everybody brother whether on tren or anything else!
I like your idea though. Solid reasoning, and I might try that out.
You shouldn't get blasted for anything ever. Opinions are personal and shouldn't be held to such high standards. It's an open forum , free speech should remain clear and absolute
But to speak on your comment , Tren was a favorite in the cattle farming industry because of the remarkable ability to improve feed efficiency. No extra money on food. No special diet to beef up cows. Tren is all alone in the AAS world as reigning champ because most ppl can eat anything on it and make clean Gaines. There is a lot to learn about it when ppl experiment. All my opinions are based on years of trial and error. One thing is certain , there is no Cookie cutter answer. Everyone will have different experiences no matter what they do. Genetics is huge here. But if you do everything in line with what has worked for so many, you increase your chances of having a good run with it and decrease the advancement of side effects. Most common side of Tren ,....night sweets or feeling flushed. Diet can and will play a key role in this side effect. You're 100% right imo
In my opinion what makes tren so unbareable with side effects is when you eat carbs the tren kicks your thyroid up a knotch or close to a hyperthyroid state to make use of the crabs and glycogen. Tren sides mimic hyperthyroidism: agitated, high heart rate, high BP, night sweats. Cutting carbs or cutting them after noon helps with insomnia and night sweats. I've found that when I take tren and add 500 mg metformin ed or eod to keep blood sugar stable, that I get all the benefits from the tren and not one single side. No insomnia, night sweats, high BP, etc. So my theory is that but keeping blood sugar at a mininum the tren want trigger your thyroid into hyperdrive which is causing all the sides of tren.
I've always heard that eating late at night can cause night terrors and vivid dreams in general, but definitely exaggerated when on cycle. I've definitely experienced this myself.
Its funny you point that out because there was a study with mice (I can dig around to find it) that showed serum insulin was lowered during a course with tren.. I cannot remember the time frame. I believe it was two weeks or so
I would like to read that study bud.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0039128X14003109
Couldn't find the original publishing journal but here's a copy of it
Speaking solely from my experience and experiments with tren I have noticed the sides to be significantly less when dosing the tren higher than the test. Ex. 250 Test/400 Tren
interestingly enough i found that pinning sub Q removed all my sides, I couldnt do more then .8 on a slin but would recommend using a 200mg concentration and not exceed .5...Sub-Q pinning can be painful and all pins will become inflamed to about a silver dollar size. It does increase your chance of infection, but I did it everyday for at least a month with no problems and no sides, on a tren-a 200mg/ml concentration.
other things are pin in the morning as soon as you get up.
keep other steroids at low doses when running along side tren
and for me tren-e was not better or nicer then tren-a, in fact it was much worse.
after several years of pretty close to straight tren use my sides just subsided.
I think your side effects were reduced or nullified by the fact that you pinned every day with the acetate. I'm assuming here, but I know that the more consistent you are with the pinning of shorts, the less sides arise also assuming you know to drop test to trt doses or even eliminate it all together until you run the Tren cycle. Sub q is just an administration method. Once the compound enters the body (no matter it's delivery system) it will act like it's supposed to act. Give it a sea saw plasma saturation level to work with and watch the sides climb. Give it test to compete with. Watch the sides climb up. Keep it stable and steady running it virtually alone, great things start happening
up until that point I had always pinned ED with tren-a, because my sides sucked. it helped a little but not much. went sub-Q and slept like a baby. Dont have any factual ideas as to why but it did indeed happen.
That's an awesome analogy!
Thank you sir! I have A LOT of experience with this stuff. I should write up detailed logs of my own findings. Could be beneficial. I'm convinced that dropping testosterone all together for the duration of Tren A runs will knock out almost all sides
Now thats a cycle I'd like to follow! I am in the middle of a cycle about to start tren e for the second half.
Would you be interested in sharing your experience on your proposed cycle with me? I am a bit of a data geek and I try and track as much stuff on tren as I can. I search peer reviews all the time for the stuff. One of these days I will publish my thoughts here on Eroids about tren. But your idea would contrast greatly with my thoughts and could be helpful. Most people post up the basic same stuff. Strength gains and negative sides and all but are not very specific on the particulars of their cycle or how they are doing it. For instance when to intake carbs and shot regime and so forth.
Give it a thought.
Interesting...pinning sub q eliminated the sides? I wonder if that has to do with the delayed release...
Ive found (and I'm not sure if I can mention this is the open forum but it is legal technically) kratom to be a good offset for the aggression that comes with tren and also the insomnia. Ive only tried A and bailed at 3 weeks and 2 weeks respectively. The 3 week bail I couldn't handle the pissy mood anymore it was ruining my relationship. The 2 weeks I had to stop early for other reasons.
Kratom will lower natural testosterone levels to that of a middle aged man, I don't think im getting my testosterone levels back to where they were.
Most people I know can't take Tren, but want to. Always ask me how I can. I only take E, tried A before and was night and day. I've seen a few YouTube videos of guys going off how crazy A was too. Think def Some truth to it, not sure why but yeah. even though A better, it's no use at all if no one can handle it. Haha. What's better than no Tren? Tren E
I don't know about that to be honest. If someone runs tren e as a first timer and has bad sides it will be 21 days before it has cleared the system. That's a fucking long time if you're going out of your mind. Conventional wisdom says use ace as a first run and I agree with that because the half life is 3 days instead of 10.5. The sides may be more acute because the levels peak higher with ace than enth but if you're not ready for the sides you should stay away from it in any case. Just my opinion.
It's such a crap shoot because I have heard both sides of the story- some guys can only use ace and others can only use enth. I've only used ace because the sides are bearable and I am scared shitless of having the nightmare tren sides for 3 weeks and not being able to do anything about it. With my personality, knowing that I couldn't do anything about them for 3 weeks would only make it worse because I am tyne definition of a type A
dontgivemeadvice20 lbs of manning up. Just kidding. I had to quit tren a few times from Side effects. I've noticed longer esters like e or hex make it more bearable. Why. Idk but it does. This time I'm in tren ace and only sides are high no and night sweats. High bp control with Hawthorne berry and clonodone. Night sweats get better if I don't eat carbs before bed. Or after like 7 really.