+ 6 IGF1 Suppression
This is a lab from last year .This was during a rare break from HGH I was near 4 weeks since my last HGH injection.This is obvious suppression from taking synthetic GH.I was taking a low dose for the prior months.1-1.5 iu pharma if I recall correctly.I posted this as a reference point to a post I will be doing in the HGH forum.I have a lot of anti-aging clinics in my area.Most of them are now offering GHRP/Semorelin treatment as an option to GH treatment.This is 1 reason among many others.Its safer......For the young guys out there,I would highly recommend giving peptides a try before going to HGH.You will need to judge for yourself the risk vs reward factors....Suppression happens .How quick and how bad and to what extend you will rebound will vary from user to user based on many other factors.I would like to explore some of these questions along with some of the options we have.What is the best protocol for running GH and preserving your natty.Perhaps a combination of peptides and GH is the best way to go.....Maybe us Bro's can piece together a little of our world renowned science to find some amswers.
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Thanks Jin,
Interesting stuff! How long have you used growth?
Thanks for bloods. Makes me happy I still haven't dropped the cash for some hgh. Have come extremely close but this makes me think holding off while I still have good natty igf is the way to go. +1
GreenPointCrew.Save up and do it right !!
Thanks for this. +1 I have a few questions...
Did you establish a true IGF1 baseline before ever starting GH therapy?
How is your health (including liver)? Any diet restrictions such as avoidance or minimal intake of meat? Have you looked at your Vitamin D levels? Were you supplementing with Cytomel (T3) or any other medications at the time of this test?
There could be other factors at play here including age. Mayo Clinic's reference range for your age group (36 to 40yr) is set at 69ng/ml to 226ng/ml ....
This is an alarming theory... First time I am hearing about long term suppression of IGF1 after GH therapy has ceased.
Keep us posted on your findings.
thanls for all the info brother
GreenPointCrew.^^^ Looks like you answered your own Questions. Good Post !
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P2i2tYou know, I was thinking about giving a combo HGH and peptide protocol a shot but wasn't quite sure as the best approach to run it. what my thoughts were, six days on one day off, rotating every other day a peptide protocol using a ghrh such as mod grf (or CJC 1295 DAC based on preference) with ghrp (ghrp-6,ghrp-2, and/or Ipam. Based on preference) such as I am running now, and rotating with running a set amount of HGH on the other days.like I said it was just a thought I had, but I wasn't quite sure how much more beneficial or less beneficial it may be compared to running only one or the other. but I was thinking it would possibly help you get the most benefits considering you are actually using HGH, but considering the HGH use is only 3 days per week and the other days are peptides, it may also not cause suppression. or at least not as great of suppression as would be.what are your thoughts on this?
There is a boom dosing fad that is pretty popular in some circles. Everything is done in the morning. The user will dose the peptides first. Typically mod grf at 100mcg and then a ghrp at varying dosages. Some of the ghrp dosages are so high I don't even want to post them lol. Then roughly 30 mins later they will hit their hgh. The idea is to get the morning pulse and then supplement hgh on top of it but have the hgh early enough to clear before bed. At least that is the theory. Lost of experimentation going on I must say. I personally love my peptides and plan on just sticking with them. Also most users that I know that weave the peps and hgh also use something else that's a big taboo on this forum if ya know what I mean.
P2i2tvery interesting. But that protocol does make sense to me.and yes, I'm pretty sure I know the taboo compound you are talking about ;-) but thank you for the info and feedback. This is something I I am going to look much deeper into. thanks again
GreenPointCrew.The reason everyone says mournings is do to your body produces more Aminos at night when you sleep. If you take a lot of IGF's and or GH at night it's just a waste if you ask me.
P2i2tI know nighttime is when your largest natural gh Pulse is, and in turn heard it may be a waste to use HGH before bed.but, as far as the amino acids are concerned, I would think logically when we are sleeping we are not eating and since it can't get the energy and nutrients it needs from food, our body would go about getting the nutrients it needs by sacrificing some of our muscle for the amino acids we all need for energy and other functions. therefore I would think it actually might make sense to use these (at least igf) at night time in order to preserve our muscles?does this make any sense or do I just sound stupid? Lol I know you are much more knowledgeable than I am so I am kind of just picking your brain here if you don't mind.
GreenPointCrew.What about IGF's ?? You ever ues them ? We call them the poor mans GH. Mix and match your IGF's with your GH makes your body think for it's self. GHRP can also make quite a difference I only ran GHRP's around 2-3 days a week with GH for 4-6 weeks than dropped the GHRP's. It all just depends on how your body grows. It takes years not a few months here and there or a cycle or two to get the right formulas for your body. Make sure your running GH 5-12 months or your just wasting your Money.
Hey mob. Long time brother. Missed your antics around here...
Honestly ... I would take a harder look at IGF1 lr3 ... For years there have been reports of BB pros attributing liver cancer to their IGF1 use. Something to be aware of.
GreenPointCrew.Yes I'm very aware of this. However look at the health of older school bodybuilders. Most of them are passing away from bad Hearts. Remember most igf's only have 90-95 amino in them. Pinning down the health problems has always been hard to do until your free and clear of all drugs, even then it may take years to figure out. Looks like this guy is doing everything thing right. Bloods Bloods Bloods.
P2i2tyou definitely make some great points.I have a nice large order of both igf-1 lr3 and igf-1 des on the way that I will be incorporating with the peptide protocol I am currently running. you can see that protocol in my pics if you are interested at all. I have researched and read almost everything I can about the igf's and decided it was a most important addition. prior to this I personally have only ran Pharma HGH and told myself I would never run generic HGH or peptides as I have trust issues. but I have recently gotten very interested and curious about the other methods, so I am going to run this protocol, all my blood work after about 90 days although I know it does not need to wait that long, and compare it to when I was running my Pharma GH. then what I wanted to do was try the method I stated above, with the igf's incorporated as well, and see how my blood work came out then. blood work doesn't lie, so after all is said and done I would actually be able to see which one was the most beneficial compared to money spent, convenience, and preference.it is a long term experiment I plan on running for my personal benefit, and curiosities. but for me blood work is so important because it tells the entire story. And you can see what may need to be tweaked in order to reach the numbers and levels that you are seeking.
GreenPointCrew.Very good. Don't be afraid of pulling the trigger on some generic GH. There has been some really good generic GH out there Believe me.