posted Fri, 04/10/2015 - 18:51
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+ 2 UNLEASH THE POWER OF HCG: Get Buffed. PCT, Bridge, Rejuvenate
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NO MORE COPY AND PASTE.
No matter if it's from a website, PDF, ebook, OCR, it's still plagiarism. I let the first one slide, my mistake. If you want to share the resource post it for others to download or credit the author by naming the resource and letting others know where to find it.
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I skipped through the drama in here, caught some of it and a simple breakdown; something was copied and pasted by the author, there was no way for the mods to know he was the author so it was deleted, if it wasn't deleted others would wonder why, possibly leading to identity compromise.
As far as what was discussed beyond that; I'd completely disagree. Rich Piana and you have the same point of view on hcg. You are not confusing the body when used on cycle, that's ridiculous. The HPTA stops producing LH with an excess amt of test present, hcg acts as LH and causes the testes to produce more and keep them active. No more to read into about it, nothing is confused.
Hcg is suppressive and therefore use during PCT is debatable. My opinion; it's counterproductive. A blast before pct makes sense to me.
DHEA is most certainly supressive and therefore completely useless and most definitely not for pct. It's for older men to take as a testosterone supplement. The body will convert it to testosterone, therefore being an exogenous source, ergo same shit as injecting a very low dose. And I found out it's actually illegal in some countries, since it's basically taking an oral version low dose testosterone.
HCG WILL NOT shut you down! It creates Endogenous Testosterone! Your body makes it and thinks it belongs! A lot of young guys have very hight Test levels of 900 or so. No shut down of course.
But were they to take a shot or two of Exogenous Test like Cyp, Prop ect, they would begin to shutdown fast!
For all the Guru's who love PCT; Do you know that Clomid and HCG are both fertility drugs; However HCG is about 1000 times as powerful and so are the resultS! And exactly what would the difference be on your HTPA?
RustyhookerHow bout rewrite/repost what you had above so a real debate/learning forum can happen.
Greg will not let me post anything now...although i did realize after the heat that he was simply doing his job. So I posted that if you look, but he may have missed it.
I posted a brief funny article yesterday on PPAD! lol Some Mods were laffing and it was short and funny...but poof
StevebYou were able to get a book published and you spell laughing "laffing".
I also use the word "cuz'; cuz these are online posts. Also I say ur instead of you're! And i use lol; LMAO; etc, but you can't distinguish between a research book and a steroid forum post!
P.S. I have a spellchecker!
There doesn't need to be a debate. He's just wrong. His statements are misleading as is the "pct" video by Piana. Newbies want to follow this advice will end up as lifers.
RustyhookerAgree. But without open debate there's no learning. Then the 3cc crew videos blast the newbs into a bad direction. Basically, video over stimulation. And the guy that's huge shredded wins regardless of info.
Two complete newbs watching Llewellyn in his tie and bony physique of 150 vs piana.
StevebWhat?
Who?
Well said Jimmie.
Rusty...I luv ya; but the way these guys treated me when I'm trying to help was Basaaad! Maybe they had no choice, butt here's ways to say things.
So the response was great and this coulda been one of the best game changing articles for hundreds of members or for sure a great dialog on both sides; but for copyright worries it won't be/ C',mon really?
If you're talking about how I treated you, then you're way off base. I have no choice and have tried to explain it to you.
BFG can get fined for posting copyrighted material and if he does not remove the content and pay the fine can be shut down or dragged to court. So yes, copyright worries are a real thing, infact it has happened to me once when I used a stock photo I found on the web for a personal family website I once hosted.
There is no law that says he can not have a review site. So contrary to your perception there is nothing illegal about this site. (Just like high times magazine can be bought and sold where pot and paraphernalia are illegal).
So let's keep BFG and eroids safe and legal. Play the game, it sucks if it's your content, but we can't be sure it is and I would hope you'd understand that and not turn this into some sort of ego thing.
I think copyright infringements are the least of BFG's worries. There is so much stuff copied online there is no way to control it. But I owned it anyway.
You guys know that the shill reviews are obvious and some Mods have threatened on that! And on that I totally agree. Cuz if these same guys fake a bogus source up into the top ten; and you know they do; that's scary.
If some kid orders from them and gets real sick; copyright issues pale in comparison to those risks!!!
So, should i be afraid of lawsuits if I download an .mp3 file? And what exactly would be plagiarized on a site like this ? Best selling books?
I think maybe the priorities here should be reviewed!
This is a REVIEW site. What liability does BFG have with respect to orders made on sites that are reviewed here by other members?
NONE.
How many letters do you think BFG has gotten for copyrighted content copy and pasted from other sites?
SEVERAL.
Hence the rule that is now in place.
You need to check your attitude. Follow the rules or go somewhere else.
Let's just end this on a peaceful note. PEACE OUT ! And one more thing...although this got a lil heated and we disagree; I do believe you are 100% sincere in your beliefs!
Lol bro? You were treated nicely, rules are rules and thats just how it is, I said this to a member the othet day, lol if this was 2-3 years ago no doubt your account would be non existant just for these replies! Lol big h woulda ate you for breakfast then shat you out for lunch lol
That's right delete al the guys who are sincere and try to help!!! Good business practices!
StevebYou lost me at Rich Piana
Lmao welcome to level three
Tell us what u really think vike
lmao
I always do bro........... i only speak for myself though!
That's a great trait to have. I personally used hcg several times and i really couldn't tell much different myself but to each there own
Exactly!
@Greg This is my copyrighted material. I obviously could not post source here as we are in questionable waters with our activities.
It was a thorough researched piece based on actual medical studies in abstract. If you wish do deny members a good debate on this then SO BE IT!
It was copied and pasted from an the actual book I wrote.Its hard to plagiarize your own copyrighted book!
THIS IS SERIOUSLY VERY INSULTING!!!
Unfortunately as you pointed out we can't prove you authored the book without possibly compromising your identity. And, your posts don't reference the study sources as (I would hope) your book does.
Feel free to post, new and original content based on your book and your studies
Of course my book does; it contains the ACTUAL abstracts in an appendix! I'm getting a lot of email questions on it and there was much interest considering the limited time it was here.. People are free to form their own conclusions.
But i sincerely think it is a big mistake to deny members of an informative piece like this. Also on a site of this nature are we really worried about plagiarism?????? Though i ASSURE you this is not!!!
Sadly unless you re-consider putting this back; this does not give me much incentive to keep posting. IT's DEPRESSING!
My point. Even if john marshall is not plagiarizing john doe's work (aka john marshall), the studies are. Your posts do not have the same appendix.
Al Capone was brought down for tax evasion. Not bootlegging and murder.
I'm Sorry you can't rise above this and post new and original content based on your book and your studies. I'm sure you have a lot to offer.
White people problems... get over it.
Contact BFG, it's his site. Prove to him this is your original material and can give credit to your source material. I can't do so, I have to err on the side of caution.
It would be better if you contact BFG and draw your own conclusions. I have written some informative articles in the past, but is not my occupation. I'm simply trying to HELP your members!
Any more posts from the book would encounter the same issues with the studies! Other chapters could save the lives of women who's hormones are out of balance; help people with Congestive Heart Failure. And on and on.
Oddly we use AI's to lower estrogen, but a lot of women who use these drugs as anti-cancer meds could have avoided the Cancer had they balanced their hormones where Estrogen Dominance createdEstrogen Dependent Tumors!
But WHAT DO I KNOW? You decide..I'm done! VERY UPSET! Feel like i want to help members and EROIDS and this is what i get?
Draw conclusions from what? Your word? The mature way you're handling this?
Contact BFG, convince him in private or seek a waiver of the rules.
Exactly. So post, new and original content based on your book and your studies.
You write and are good at it, so write. Give us new and improved original content.
OK ; I sent BFG the link and he can do as he pleases.
JM
StevebCan you copy and paste if you post a link to the original?
I would have to go back and check the rules but I think you can if you make a paragraph of your own commentary with it. But now I have to double check that
Correction:Do not copy/paste articles you find on the internet. If you must share your findings, write up a short excerpt and provide a link to the original article. Alternatively post a link with a short description in News section.
didnt you have a post about liquid orals? if so i like your last sentence, thats cool.
I had a lot of good posts including that one. Sadly though if this doesn't come back there will be no more!
Greg has been very fair and patient with you in explaining this. We are sorry if you cannot handle it, I personally enjoyed your posts but our hands are tied on this.
lol thats cool.
Piana is never actually recovering when he runs a protocol like this. Hcg is suppressive and natural test production will not start back up until the hcg clears the system. So he's basically just shooting tons of hcg to mimic LH which will artificially raise test levels. The minute he stops that he will crash.
Reads the studies. This is not about Piana. I used this method years before I knew who Piana was. HCG results in permanent increases in testicular density and results. Clomid used in PCT does the same thing as HCG but is like a firecracker compared to an atomic Bomb! Both are fertility drugs.
So, if u did PCT using Clomid the same thing would happen in theory; but it doesn't. It just takes a lot longer and is more painful.
Hcg isnt permanent. Where do u get this at? So if it's permanent why would u need it for every cycle? Use it once and it permanently increases testicular density and results. U do realize once u stop using hcg your body is flooded with estrogen and really hinders your recovery during pct.
If you use an AI you control the Estrogen. Everyt time I used HCG when i stopped my sex drive and Test outout was higher!
READ the studies! That's why they are there. I have the abstracts for the studies. This is Science not my opinion.
Lol no kidding if u use an ai it controls estrogen isn't that what it does. Using hcg for pct instead of Clomid or nova is not a smart choice. All hcg does is mimic lutenezing hormone. How is hcg permanent. Iron is completely right your not fully recovering
It is permanent because it strengthens and rejuvenates your system. Larger testicles produce more hormone and are stronger like any other muscle. The Testes get smaller from Gear cuz they don't work! This is the opposite. Comprenez?
Read the SUDIES!
google anything and you will find 100 studies both ways, real life experience shits on any study, irongame and rolltide are spot on here, there is a reason why both nolva and clomid have been used as pct for the past 30 years, its tried and tested, clomid blocks estrogen at the piturity, and hypothamalus, nolva is similar to actual estrogen but it inhibits its interactions with cell receptors, they both create a negative feedback loop and in a way trick the body in to producing testosterone, where as hcg just sends a message to mimic the LH and copy it to keep your nuts plump and prevent atrophy, after cessation majority of this signal is diminished leaving you where you started, nolva and clomid is your ticket for pct.
There are conflicting studies on everything. I presented many in that book on other topics. I have used HCG and it did regenerate my system; no clomid or nolva needed!
Lol bro do u comprehend what hcg does? All it does is mimic lh in your body. After a cycle your hpta is shutdown and using hcg does not make your body recover and start producing lutenezing hormone it just mimics its effects in your body. that's why your test levels go up during its use. Your still crashed once u stop taking hcg.hcg does not reboot your hpta. The results are not permanent.
Bingo
RustyhookerPiano is one of those guys I'd never take recovery advice from. Dude is full tilt blast type. Lol.
Llewellyn boasts the blast hcg 2 weeks plan. Trt professionals in the medical community clearly post med research proving the 250 x 2.
I replied this Iron game also.
Reads the studies. This is not about Piana. I used this method years before I knew who Piana was. HCG results in permanent increases in testicular density and results. Clomid used in PCT does the same thing as HCG but is like a firecracker compared to an atomic Bomb! Both are fertility drugs.
So, if u did PCT using Clomid the same thing would happen in theory; but it doesn't. It just takes a lot longer and is more painful.