+ 6 Somas Test Prop and IGF numbers on Pharma HGH
Ok guys here are the result in 300 mg test prop and 300 mg tren ace, bloods pulled 48 hours after last 100 mg of test prop. I've been on GU gear for about 3 weeks now, feeling great, getting lean in the daily basis, very vascular and libido up. i thought i was getting lean because the HGH but now i know its not, the fact that am only 50 points up in my IGF doing 2.7 iu ed before bed of genos for month and a half make me think that this genos are bad(my baseline is 207), not bunk but bad maybe they got bad in shipping (which took a month BTW )or something, other guy was complaining of cloudy Genos at the same time i received this. i talked to the source and the first thing they said back to me was " I DON'T KNOW WHAT ARE YOU UP TO WITH THIS?", well sir i paid big money for this Genos am expecting quality.
In the other hand i guess the increment in my IGF is because of the peptides am using, 250 mcg upon wake up ghrp2 with cjc/no dac and 250 mcg frag pre workout.
Doing Balkan Prov at 50 mg, love this product make u feel great all day long and make u look like a rock.
Am gonna have to up the adex from .25 ed to .50 ed am prone to high estro, am dropping the tren is doing wonders but got my lipid panel out of whack.
well guys i think this cover everything, if u have a question shot me a pm.
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3 ius of pharma get me up more then 250 points as far as my igf goes. i know everyone reacts differently but to get such little elevation make me wonder
It could be crappy Genos. I had IGF-1 in the 400's from 4ius Nordis. Started some Tren A....IGF-1 was in the 200's. Who knows.... Sometimes I think we rely to much on ole LabCorp to justify legit products. To many variables.
well that's intresting. You think that compounds like tren can actually lower igf? I read but not sure if it's true but ais can also lower igf. if this is true i might want to retest some things myself
I think labcorp prolly trips out when they see high IGF levels and just readjust them sometimes =)
Oh the machine gots ta be broken!
hahhahhahaha
I dont think they would that sir, i had hyges tested at 551 last year at 4 ius per day
Hey was curious, when you tested IGF-1 551 on the HYGES, were you pinning morning, split dose, or pinning suqQ before bedtime?
2 iu first thing in the morning and 2 iu before bed pinned my belly
Cool deal. I +2d ya. That's for taking the time for posting.
lol
You mean you don't dose up to all hell to get those numbers like 10ius or 15ius before a test lmfao. They definitely appear to be degraded in my opinion.
lol well some times I use 6ius of pharma but that's alot for me
TUDCA, cardio , water . Should lower those negative values drastically . Fuck masking it with more Pharma drugs .
Thanks for posting your info for us bro
No problem man, anytime
Hey how much water you drinking each day?
I drink maybe 2 gallons or more
1.5-2gallons mixed with either amino energy or xtend
My total cholesterol was just checked and it came back at 240 and they want me to start taking meds. I would drop all aas and get some medical advice before you seriously f yourself up bro. at these numbers heart attack and or stroke could happen at any time. Serious talk here not trying to be a dick. Good luck bro
I was at 260 before any gear ever used. Mostly due to genetics, family history. some diet.
I used the following
http://www.amazon.com/CholesLo%C2%AE-Cholesterol-Solutions-maintain-caps...
along with Red Yeast Rice
and Fish Oil.
6 weeks later i retested and was under 200.
Man if my doctor saw those numbers... LDL at 360! I think he would have a heart attack. lol
My doctor is a blonde smoke show. Maybe one day she'll give me a stroke :-P
Here in USA docs wants to put u in meds for everything bro, am stopping my cycle i know i can put my health in jeopardy. 240 cholesterol easily can be drop with changes in ur diet and some supplements.
Good to hear bro. I'm not touching any prescription meds to lower it yet. I am gonna try niacin for a couple months and then retest. How's your blood pressure?
Bp is 130/85, am gonna start nuacin myself and retest in 2 months
swoller87Your kidneys are stressed to add to all of this....stop the creatine I'f ur taking any drink some lemonade and aloe Vera juice get ur shit together gear ain't worth .
Yeah good thing this guy went with trusted Pharma GH ! Lol.
Like I've always said even pharma will be suspect unless you are getting it direct from a pharmacy... So many variables ... Genos sound degraded for sure.
Your HDL is getting hammered by Tren but your LDL IS INSANE!! Bro you need to address this... And the sooner the better.
IGF-1 was still elevated. 2.7ius taken before bedtime. Morning inject may have given a higher IGF-1. Plus there's some other peps involved. Lots of issues going on in that blood it seems. Maybe he should have injected 10ius first? That can elevate his IGF-1 by 100+ ng/mLs with the "normal protocol". =) But why waste 10ius unless you're going for the typical "generx" high score.
Cloudy Genotropin? Aren't these Lyophilized Powder and not Preconstituted?
I agree his blood work is awful. I've never seen nor heard of LDL levels so high... I think most doctors would feel the same way. Since he was running the genos for nearly a month, I'd figure his IGF levels would be higher.
Yeah the go quicks are powder w/ solvent...
I'm sure there are more out there who have got junk generics vs. degraded pharma. Shit happens. But because pharma could be suspect because it doesn't come straight from the pharmacy , people should drop 100s of 1000s on generics because generic growth is soo easy and cheap to make and is a really stable compound right?? Good generics are soo abundant these days aren't they? You cant raise IGF and Serums with any peptides or other supplements right? Every mass spec is 100% truth and gospel right? Next you'll tell me angus put out 100% quality mass specs right? There are even more variables with generics as anyone can put some mystery powder in a bottle flatten it to look like a solid puck put a fancy color top on it , with a fancy name , you can even get a vial tested and the results can be the exact same as growth but not be biologically active as many have done.... I will quote someone by the name of mechyeng who posted up in grrls page "honestly i think its important you guys do more research about Chinese made HGH its has nothing to do with the people who sell it, its more important to realize who makes it..i can't find a thread i had that was like 57 pages of pure knowledge all about it and it was mind BLOWING. personally i will never touch it again.....Chinese can't even get drywall right, sell fake food to their own people, just all kind of grimy shit. I'm not hating on them I'm just sayin. Read about how complicated it is to produce such a product. its out of the resellers hands really, they get told its legit and give it a try, customers don't like it...happens all the time( i got burned 1K myself) . If you want HGH i suggest save your money and get the real shit. you can even get a vial tested and it can come back at the molecular weight of rnGH but not be biologically active(this in its self is extremely complex and scientists today are still determine methods to quantify this parameter) and a single peptide can be folded so to say or replaced with another to meet the molecular weight but its not really ring.. and the pharmacology is 100% different. also note that lab testing equip number carry from lab to lab so when you get bloods done use the same lab to reduce error propagation. i am convinced the days of actually finding good generic GH are over and maybe it will pick up in a few years but who the hell knows. i strongly encourage those who are using the generic gh to read about it way more on a scientific level and understand theres plenty of compounds that can raise serum and igf values that are NOT gh" But there is not evidence or proof backing that statement is what you will say right killroy? I suggest you do some real research not fucking bro science. As many have said there once was a time where some quality generics existed but those days have faded away as the supply and demand have changed and easier to fake generics than it is to fake pharma grade ten fold...... As of late there are more and more quality pharma sources popping up along with ones who are tried and true with a track record that is good some even providing other resellers with product...... But I guess pharma is like a unicorn and just isn't attainable , and the blood work that blows the best generics out of the water must be photo shopped , and the guys running pharma growth and slin who actually look like they run real growth and slin must be faked also........... :)I truly hope im not the only one who finds how hard you push generics comical and how you justify it.... I'm just trying to get past that because pharma grade wasn't stored correctly by a reseller it all must be suspect but the guys producing straight shit in a bottle is the better route...
With improper storage, product changing hands, the backlog at customs, and temperature changes when in transit …. Buying Pharma off an internet source is pretty damn stupid. Especially with the insane markup. I wouldn’t order pharma unless the source is domestic and is shipping your product with icepacks (and I have had a few do this in the past)
People shouldn’t drop 1000s on dollars on overseas pharma growth either when the risks are just as bad. I’ve never said any of these compounds are stable nor am I advocating the purchase of either.
Sure you can… If you are talking about GH releasing peptides or hormones, then we are talking a whole different ball game… Different time in GH serum peak and weaker IGF elevation unless you are mega dosing DAC. But that’s neither here or there.
Right so even with favorable GH serum, IGF elevation, and Mass Spectrum… You will still question the product. I get it.
In a older thread, you’ve claimed that you’ve never used Chinese Generics?
Those other compounds as you claim… are either peptides that signal the pituitary to dump GH … at a completely different GH serum peak time… If you are ever interested in this go on Dat’s board or read Alpha’s thread on promuscle where he performed countless blood tests using peptides and determined how much they raised GH and IGF. OR they could be near identical rHGH with impurities but successfully manage to tell the liver to synthesis IGF1 as evident in all the blood tests we’ve seen.
And please do tell, what bro science am I touting?
Now that is pure bro-science conjecture. Somehow quality generics existed in the past, but no longer do… Since the chins concocted a formula of anti-diuretic hormone, sleep inducing hormone, igf raising, 3.5hr GH serum peaking magic potion that registers close to the molecular weight of rhgh. Really bro? You sound insane.
And who ever said pharma grade is being faked?
Tried and true track record goes out the window when your growth sits in customs for a month.
Never said it was a unicorn… but buying pharma from a overseas sources is just as much as a crapshoot then any other.
I find your take on all this rather comical. Keep fighting the good fight.
If you getting decent sized orders of pharma growth it absolutely should come on ice.
Maybe guys don't drop 1000s at one time with generics , they lose money over and over on sub par or total junk products and lose up to thousands.
When many of these guys dose up hours out of a test with 10 to 15ius of generics and get any elevation in IGF and serums they think its legit even tho they have no base line bloods before the test....
I haven't used generics I clearly stated I was quoting someone....."I will quote someone by the name of mechyeng who posted up in grrls page"
The bro science I claim are that all legit growth give you sides I personally know two people in person who receive pharma grade growth from CVS here in the states and their growth comes with a pamphlet. On the pamphlet are potential side effects key word being "potential" neither of them get these side effects, so should they question CVS? The manufacturer? No. When you get a bottle of aspirin, on the back there are a list of potential key word being "potential" side effects that will scare the fuck out of you, but when you don't get any of the said side effects do you question Bayer? No.
Many things come into play with elevating IGF numbers along with serums. There are natural sups out there that will do it to some extent, there are plenty of peps and combos of peps that will do it also with mild amounts, but, if you were to dose up like all hell as many do with generic dosages 3.5 hours out of a test you'd be surprised at the results. True legit pharma blows those results out of the water without huge pre test dosages, or high dosages while on cycle.
Quality generics were good back when the demand wasn't so high for them, but with high demands and low supply as it is extremely expensive , extremely difficult , extremely delicate , and takes some time as you know along with a state of the art facility to prodiuce human growth hormone. But they sure are easily faked , get yourself a catchy name , a pretty color top , and a professional box and people buy them up like hot cakes. Some are total mystery powders , some are totally bunk, some are ok at best but eventually the consistency falls off and everything goes to shit as has been proven from time to time here. That and slight elevation of IGF , and serums with no prior baselines mind you , along some symptoms get people with minimal cash in a frenzy.
Getting pharma isn't as hard as you think my friend, I know 3 sources personally here in the US with pharma. Are there chances that its faked , sure and if you know your shit you can spot it pretty fast. Can it be mishandled and fucked up, you better believe it , but that comes down to the reseller and his shipping methods..... But if it is true pharma when it was produced it was real, and pure, cant say the same with over half the generics that have been produced as of late.
You can laugh at me all you like , but know that anyone here with half a brain is laughing at you my friend.
I welcome any debate and look foward to evidence in favor or against generics... But I won't buy into the conspiracy theories you peddle ... If yall wish to giggle like school girls behind my back... It ain't my problem.
What conspiracy theories do I peddle?
The fact blood work means dick with out a baseline?
The fact that elevated IGF can be done with many types of supps ,many types of peps , and many natural remedies, and if you do a ton similar to dosing up 10 to 15 ius you can get high IGF readings?
The fact that diet, sleep , training, genetics , age , all have to be taken into consideration with bloods consisting of IGF?
The fact that it is by far easier to pass off a fake batch of generic growth then it is to pass off a fake pharma pen as it is less work with higher reward to pass of junk generics than it is to back fill a pen.
The fact that "potential" side effects are exactly that a potential side effect not a guarantee or a way to tell if your growth is good , as many people with prescriptions never get the sides...
The fact that generic growth can be the same molecular weight as true pharma growth yet cannot be biologically active?
The fact that generic growth isn't FDA approved and there is no cooking away raw impurities like in UGL gear so you haven't a clue what your injecting sub Q.
I can go on for days with facts and pull in many legit studies on it buddy to back it. Or should I take your vast use of every anabolic steroid , thyroid manipulating compounds, along with insulin and growth (generic growth) but yet your stats are 6'1 200at 14% bf........ seems like if you put all your effort into diet and training instead of reading into bullshit youd be further along....... purely speculation of course....
To be honest... I'm bored arguing with you ... You keep going around in circles ... Bring up points that I've either never disputed in my posts or keep focusing on irrelevant shit ...
And yeah I have lost mass.. So what ? I've been off high amounts of gear for awhile now ...
Let's see you maintain your mass on only 100mg of test a week ...
And for the record I have used both pharma and generic growth. But really who the fuck cares ...
Lmfao OK.
all my pharma i get comes in ice packs. i feel premixed ones are even less stable out the cold.
Absolutely bro wish I could plus one that comment.
KK ain't gotta worry bout all this madness with his pretty colored pens
lmao my rainbow pens keywest style
Lol! Let your freak flag fly
lmao
I know all about this dude lmfao on point at all times. He knows I think hes a greedy fucking hoarder
Pharma gh is degrade when clouded
Sory but propably damage in shipping or storage
Take care of cholesterol pls , is no joke
Hey man sorry to hear about your luck with the genos. Of much more concern are your lab numbers. Seriously consider an slow old school taper and a reset. I showed numbers to a friend (md) and his word was "alarming". Ditto what trenbolic said.
You should go see a doc and get some cholesterol meds bro real talk
i am dropping the Tren sir i know am that high because of that, i dont like to go to the doctor just because every time i go, i go out mad because they dont say shit to u, last time i went to the doctor, doctor sit in a chair and said take this, charge me 120 bucks and go away, he didnt even take a look of my skin.
I'm on meds for cholesterol and my levels have never been as high as yours even when I first got put on meds. What makes you so sure it's the tren? Diet has a lot to do with it man, this is why we have to eat clean not just to stay lean but for health risks, more so when running any form of a anabilics. At very minimal look into natural remedies, this is serious bro good luck
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