+ 3 Bloods on Cycle, input wanted from all
So I have been on cycle now for a month and was having some libido issues, like bad. So I had to go get blood work done, and here they are.
The estrogen levels are normal here, my only conclusion is I had got it in check in the two days it took for me to get them done. Been on ashop's adex at .25 EOD nd then switched to ED because I thought I was getting nipply. When issues occured I switch to his aromasin 12.5 EOD.
My liver values aren't good, but I'm not on an oral, so I don't know what from. I take milk thistle ED, any info would be greatly appreciated.
Will be starting HCG this week to get the boys back and plump. On 800mg of Primo E and 200mg of Test Cyp every Sunday Thursday and 150mg Test Prop every Monday Wednesday Friday, from an unverified source. This pinning cycle works for me, I know it seems weird but I like it, I get Tuesdays and Saturdays off haha.
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P2i2tif you want a great liver protectant check out Aegis. this is what I recommend to everybody who is looking to run a liver protectant that is pretty much specifically designed for people taking toxic compounds, whether it be orals, tren, or anything else.I run alongside my liv52 no matter what compounds I was taking I have never had bad liver values. Do a little research on it if you haven't heard of it before.like I said its what I use and what I recommend to anybody on here who is concerns with their liver toxicity.
I don't see anything major with your liver values. They will elevated as Killroy explained just from training. Since your a logical guy go read this as it pretty much expalins the what to look for.
You are dealing with some inflammation is my take with the elevated neutrophils. Platelets at 401 and flagged take a baby aspirin(80mg) to keep those platelets from clumping together.(think blood clots). Do not drink any alcohol when on cycle as just one night of drinking will throw liver values way out of wack. I say this because of your age and most guys don't understand how a few drinks can really affect your liver.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/elevated-ast-or-alt-wh...
The libido thing may be just estro crash but at 38 E2 I would think things would look up if that was the case. I would test prolactin as mentioned below also free test and SHBG.
OursIsTheFuryThanks for the reply MegaT! A good read to help me better figure out what's going on. I haven't had any alcohol since July of 2014. Been clean and not just because of gear, just a personal choice. I was curious about the platelets, only because I just donated white blood platelets January 30th. So it wasn't making sense so I'll take a baby aspirin for sure.
Just an update to all on this thread though, libido is back and full swing. Must a Valentine's Day miricale. Haha
I donated platelets several times for a young lady who had leukemia.
Platelets are what control bleeding. They hook you up to a machine. Apheresis takes out your blood seperates the platelets and reverses flow and puts the rest back in you. It takes about 2hrs. Unlike blood donations you can give platelets every 7 days and your prolonging someone's life while helping your own.
Glad to hear Woody is back.
OursIsTheFuryYeah boss it took me about two hours to do my fort donation of platelets last month. Crazy tingling feeling in my after squeezing that ball for that long. But it was good to know I'm helping someone. I suggest everyone get in a routine of donating something so you can help save a life.
After receiving the anthrax they said I can never give blood again!
Glad to see you posting around these parts brother... I started to miss your contributions (no homo)
What's up Killroy. Glad to be back...needed a break.
Proviron is expensive and doesn't do anything that Masteron doesn't. It has very little value beyond libido increase. Masteron will take care of your libido and also decrease your need for A.I., and with zero liver toxicity. Maybe you should give that a try.
NAC gives very good liver support. About 2 grams per day.
U can also try Tudca as well for liver support. A little more costly but well worth it in the end.. There is actually a product with both Tudca and NAC in it..
OursIsTheFuryThanks Mobman. I checked some places out yesterday and couldn't find any like this. Is it an online thing?
Yes it is buddy.. Wont find this product anywhere local I am sure...
OursIsTheFurySolid advice! Thanks brother I will look into the options of masteron or provi for sure.
Gotta check prolactin levels.
Your taking a ton of gear, but your confused about living values. The liver breaks down 800mg primo etc your liver is stressed as fuck
Try taking lie 52 from Ashop.
How much milk thistle you taking?
You should be drinking well over 2 gallons of water a day.
Protein is also hard on the liver in high amounts homie...
Good luck with your johnson
OursIsTheFuryHey Triangle thanks for the shout out. I am doing milk thistle at 1000mg in the am and pm. So I do have some liv 52 from ashop I will kick on now. I am touching around 2 gallons of water a day for sure, but I never go over, so this is something I will have to address. As for the protein I'm trying to put on some size so all my macros are up so that might be it too. Johnson is going to go make a eye candy run to the gym and target, so hopefully something is sparked.
I'm glad your taking the values seriously. Why not up the milk thistle, a Lil bit.... And spread the dose out over the day....
Take the liver 52 twice or. Three times a day.
I ran two cycles with metribolone, both times using about 1.5g milk thistle, and liv 52 2x. Over two gallons a day. High protein.
I just had my live values and they were perfect.
Mind you I like to drink between cycles....
hunteron20sHHmmmthe libido shouldnt be bad with what i see in your bloods ..now what i would look at is is the primo really primo or not deca or tren ?those 2 ccompounds can kill libido bad
OursIsTheFuryThanks for the reply my man, I got the primo and it came with some lab max testing kits. I did one of them and it came back with the correct chemical in the vial so I am confident I have primo.
He can rule out it being Tren as this is a LabCorp blood test and Tren would cause a false high reading. E2 would be in the 100's not 38.
Thank you for posting bloods sir !!!
OursIsTheFuryOf course sir, thank you for ease of mind of quality gear.
You think your blood pressure might be the libido culprit? Are you still having problems?
OursIsTheFuryI am actually not feeling like I should be at 4400 test levels... I actually am trying to do a bulk up to 220lbs but mentally I don't think I can do it and thought it was just me feeling like shit cause I look like a fat ass now.
Tell me more about this blood pressure issue
I wonder what your free test levels look like ... Hcg might give you a boost in the libido department ... And/or Proviron.
Are you on GH too? I see a few pictures in your photostream ... Wouldn't hurt to check Prolactin levels as well
OursIsTheFuryHey brother thanks for the response. I am thinking about taking Provi, but with my liver values the way they are I wasn't sure if an oral would be wise.
This might sound like stupidity but I didn't know hgh raised prolactin to a level of discomfort. I am on 2iu every day and have been for a few months.
broham, i looked on google for a while and it says proviron is not liver toxic. I run provi through all cycles with out elevation in my cycle. I was just on a cycle that had a highly toxic oral and it fucked me up bad. Milk thistle aint gunna do shit. I would go get Essential Forte (amazon). You wouldn't believe the correlation of feeling like shit and your elevated liver values.
not sure why sex would be down... Like said above, check your prolacin, fix your liver and get provi. I would personally consider coming off cycle because at this point you are just wasting it if you cant go 100%
What oral were you taking?
How much water and protein/ day
Thanks
was taking oral tren 250mcg for the first 2 weeks then went to 500mcg per day for 1 week before i went to shit. Taking in about 325-350 g protein per day but I am a big boy (250) and I drank about 2 gallons a day of water if not more.
heres my write up:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/elevated-live...
OursIsTheFuryThanks for putting the time in brother to reply. My only guess on sex drive is I crashed my estros and then was off any AI for 5 days before this test. I'm a logical person so that's the best I got for reasoning.
The Provi news is great! I will be looking into getting some, also the essential forte I have read about but never pulled the trigger. Will do that today on Amazon, what's the dosage you recommend taking?
As far as the cycle I'm killing the gym and workouts and all my lifts have increased extremely quickly. My weight is going up too so I'm definitely getting bigger and stronger. Just when I get home and my lady wants to romp My pecker is just like "nope"
No problem man! You may have... I crashed mine in pct by using too much aromasin. I could get semi hard but that was about it... sucked ass. I was also tired as shit and had zero motivation for about a week.
The provi is definitely something to consider. I did 50mg ED while on cycle. Used BP from Alin and it has been a staple in EVERY cycle.
The essential forte comes in 60 per pack. The pack says to take 2 caps 3x a day but I just did one cap 2x per day and bam it was fixed.
I think post below me says that liver could be due to heavy lifting and that is true. My doctor told me liver values under 100 are not a huge concern for those who lift a lot. Prolong elevated levels could be troubling but after your cycle, I would take a week off then test and see. If it is just from lifting you will be ok
OursIsTheFuryThanks again brother for taking the time to help. Alot of good info here, I'm going to have to put a provi order in asap.
GH could up regulate prolactin in certain individuals who are prone to it ... Although it's not likely due to your doses and time on, but it certainly wouldnt hurt to look at the level just so you have piece of mind and can rule it out.
Most likely it could've been due to low estro ... Glad you got that end addressed.
And to be honest your AST/ALT aren't that elevated considering that you are weight training ... A lot of folks will have raised values due to muscle damage from intense exercise ... If you really want to be sure ... Abstain from lifting and cardio for at least seven days before your next blood draw.
Some other advice I can give is that must not stress over your erection/libido. All the meds in the world won't help you if this becomes a overbearing psychological issue. Performance anxiety will murder your boner bro.
Are you getting wood in the morning? If so that's a good sign. You ever check out random babes strutting around in yoga pants ? I find that helps too! Lol. Put me in a target store where half the girls are smoking hot and wearing tights and by time I come home I'm ready to ravage my girl.
And provi is very mild on the liver. It will definitely help you get over any mental hurdles too ... That stuff had me horny all day . I stopped taking it cause it was brutal on my hairline :/
OursIsTheFuryMan thanks so much for all your info brother! I never knew liver values could be that elevated due to lifting, and I do lift heavy since I've been trying to put on size.
You're totally right about the mental factor on the boner man, I honestly think the past week has been more mental than anything since I crashed them over the weekend and couldn't get it up that's all I think about now and it dwindles me. I am indeed getting morning wood now so I think I am on the right track to tackle my mental issue. I haven't been in target yet but now that you mention it I think I could use some toilet cleaner so I better make an urgent trip! Haha, no kidding man, I always am shocked when I go in there because EVERY chick is fucking smoking. And the moms... don't even get me started, nothing is more of a turn on than a sexy looking mom who knows it too, mmmm.
I always know I'm on great gear though when I go into the wal-mart and can come out horny, that is where you know it's on! haha
Glad to see you are getting sorted brother ... A lot of us have been in the same spot you are right now... keep us posted on any developments ...
Lol @ Walmart ... That's the one place I go where women cat call me lol ...
OursIsTheFuryLibido back brother! Haha target and about a dozen moms did the trick ;) haha