posted Wed, 12/24/2014 - 15:38
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HGH or IGF-1 lab and HGH question
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What lab would be best to determine if HGH is needed, the HGJ or IGF-1 lab?
I did HGH before. Since last cycle I had thyroid removed due to cancer. Got issues with thyroid conversion and I suspect pituitary issues. Depending on labs I might do an HGH cycle. Any with experience on healing body with HGH?
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One of the scariest side effects of gh use is the it can speed up the growth of cancer. I won't pretend like I know a lot about cancer or anything and I don't wanna scare you at all but you have to keep in mind if there's any left the gh will cauee problems. Maybe your situation is totally different cause you've had your thyroid removed which is were the cancer was but I alwuys hear about "remission" meaning the cancer might still be there but all symptoms are gone and the tumor has significantly decreased in size. So introducing gh to this and skyrocketing igf-1 levels would be a very bad idea.
So like I said I don't know much about cancer and how removal of the thyroid differs but I want you to know about it's potential to speed up growth incase your in a situation where this could occur.
But gh serum and igf-1 blood tests would atleast tell you where those levels are at, but doctors don't view those as a reliable way to test for gh deficiency although they do believe igf-1 levels are a decent indicatior. But they use an insulin tolerance test and a few others to diagnose gh deficiency. And these are not blood tests they're tests where they will actually give you something and measure your response to it.
Nice work, counselor. You get my +2 for all of the solid advice in this thread.
Agreed
I need to figure out how to give points.
I have more reading to do. I lost confidence ... I just want to feel better. Thank you again
I hear you bro. We all want to feel normal. I think you should find a new doctor. Right now I have the most amazing doctor you could ever imagine. She listens to me ((probally more then she should lol). I tell her I'm alwuas buying lab tests and she's like don't I can order them and your insurance will pay. I tell her about different peptides I want to try, told her I'm using gh. She does everything in her power to keep me feeling as good as I can. You can really tell how much she gives a shit about me. The day I move and have to find a new doctor I'll seriously be heartbroken lol. Cauee I'm 25 years old and in 25 years this she's the only one I've found who's like this so idk if it'll happen again. But I spend a lot of time reading on forums like this and I hear a lot of guys talk about having great doctors like mine so it's not uncommon, just keep looking bro you'll find one.
I'm not doctor but I can tell you t3 levels are very very relevant. Not only for metabolism but for just overall feeling normal. I know your not a steroid user but there's a drug called trenbolone some of us use and it's notorious for crashing t3 levels and when this happens I feel like total crap. Just tired unmotivated overall shitty until I supplement with t3 and normalize it. Then I go back to feeling normal. So that doctors and idiot.
Send me a friend request and a message and I'll help you in anyway I can.
Funny, you are already in my friend list. You helped me this summer with T3 stuff, lol.
Thank you again
Thank you for your reply, sending you a friend request.
I've been searching for a good doctor. You are lucky or your did your homework. I've had 5 endos this year (Mayo included), 2 primary physicians, and a few naturopaths. I'm in a state that naturopaths don't have much of a say (can't prescribe, can't order labs, etc). Working on options out of state.
Don't move lol, good docs are difficult to find
Low T3, that's how I felt until recently ... not many know the feeling. Trying to tell friends, but I quit. I just have the reflex to reply that I am doing good.
I'm 35 and my goal is to feel 20, got work to do. You are smart taking care of yourself now. I was always healthy, but didn't explore supplements until late 20s.
Thank you again, it helps a lot
In my thyroid forum, there's someone who has the same cancer and she uses sermorelin. I think that makes more sense. I'll be readying more on it.
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I understand how it is trying to explain to friends. I have a pretty fucked up neurological disorder called cluster headaches, or nickname "sucicide headaches" as doctors call them because the sucicide rate is so damn high amount suffers and nobody understands. They like to make theyr suggestions like you don't drink enogh water, or have you tried tylonel? Hmmm, so you're telling me doctors have been studying this for 150 years and can't find even a way to manage them but your uneducated ass just solved the problem and it's tylonel and mother fucking water. Thanks man , I'll Defintely try that next time. Or my dad's suggestion tonight, trying yoga, and learning how to cope with the pain. I'm done explaining it to people, they hear headache and think I'm just being a pussy. Doctors call it the most painful condition known to medical science and I experince it multiple times a day. I wish it was just a headache.
So like your problem its an Invisable disease, on the outside I look totally normal much like yourself I'm assuming. But they don't know how you feel on the inside or how fucksd up my head is at random times all throughout the day and the fact that a few times each day I'm in more pain then 99.9% of the population has ever felt in their entire life. So I'm at the point where id rather just not interact with anyone anymore. Don't want to attempt to explain this to even one more fucking person. Don't want to hear anyone's stupid wothless suggestions ever again or another person saying " I hope you feel better". So I feel you bro.
This is not for eroids but ergotamide have been developed and lsd derivatives for such, mushrooms and lsd and the 5ht2a agonists show great efficacy. Helped a friend fully from this condition and seeing him go through his headaches makes me feel your pain bro.. Best of luck to both you and full recovery!
The invisible disease. Its awful. I'm sorry you have your own.
I had really bad headaches before. When looking into it, I read about what you described. I did not want to imagine it. My headaches were headaches , nothing worst. When I had a day without it, I felt like I won a million dollars. Cross my fingers, its been ok since I am no longer in a humid area and been gluten free and paleo. They come back when I'm low T3.
Thank you for sharing. I hope you find something that can help.
, but the invisible disease is the most accurate description
I know what you mean about a day without them and feeling great, but in my case it's also accompanied by anxiety and fear that it's gonna happen at any moment. Mornings are the worst and I'm always scared shitless all morning long. The thought pops into my mind every 15 seconds until about 2-3 o'clock. Some days I get luckiy and don't get any but othergimes I'll go 4 months straight with 3-5 a day. Ohh the joy lol. Longest period I've had without one in the last 7 years was probally a week. And I mean not even a hint of one, I have some what I would call good months every so often when I only get a few a week and the pain isn't that bad and boy do I love when that happens. Hoping it will letup in the spring so I can finish my last semester of college. They were so bad this semeste I had to drop all my on campus classes. Thank god I knew it could happen and I had 3 of them online. I Can't even say you get used to it either. Can never get used to this amount of pain. But i got faith you'll get yourself figured out bro. Not so sure about myself tho.
Irongame427, I don't know what to say. You are really knowledgeable about health, I'm really impressed. Thank you for sharing and I hope you find help. Wanted to say more, but been feeling out of it. Are you in an environment where it can cause inflammation? I lived near the ocean before and the headaches were not letting go. There's no getting used to that pain - and mine are not bad.
I've been off Adrenal Cortex for a week now and headaches are back. Waiting on testing and hopping when I can take my adrenal again, my headache will go away.
Thank you. I know the thought of GH and cancer is scary but I read reasearch and it seems as it can cure cancer too.
I'm struggling with T4 conversion to T3 and a deficiency in GH can cause this issue among other reasons. Yes doctors think I'm nuts when I bring copies of these researches but most doctors don't believe our bodies need T3.
I've struggle so much (in my own way, as I was very healthy before) and doctors and telling me feeling ahitty is my normals. They refuse to test anything. I have to go on my own for testing. I also had to get my own T3, told them and they don't care as T3 is not relevant.
If HGH and IGF-1 is low I'm going to read more by I think I might so 0.5 IU a day. I was going 1 a day (1/2 morning and late afternoon). Now with the HRT I takr in the morning, I plan on HGH late afternoon or early evening. I do know I have adrenal issues.
The type of cancer I have is generally from iodine deficiency or radiation. The reoccurence is high. Oh I hope I make the right decision ;)