That's what i got lol. At least it want leave welts. I usually use ghrp and cjc, these are for the wife cause she doesn't want to pin 3 or 4 times a day. I've always got good results with peps and its way cheaper and close to same results.
I suppose also a fear of what's really in them 192aa peps etc better safe brotha but at 8 kits you could prob send them for testing... hate seeing a bro get burned
let me also mention this is why i believe sometimes when a new sources pops up and all the sudden we see a few high ranking members post serum results and then never igf or bad igf weeks later...its because as a src it doesnt cost a ton to send a member a few iu's of pharma for a serum test but to send them enough for an igf is conterproductive and expensive thus why we see sooo many serums but few igfs...this is also often the case ive noticed on the brands that come back terrible...a few high ranking members with serums lots of serums few if any igfs
"accurate reflection?" I guess it depends on what info you're after. Who's being tested...how old are they....what other supplements are they taking....IGF-1 normal range....deficient? Again, I'm trying to figure it out myself.....starting to rethink the HGH thang. The hard science is based on deficiency and medical use. Anti-aging (off label) can claim anything with no hard facts. BB's know more than GPractitioners. So accurate reflection....hmmm....2 months of ramping the dose...blood test...Then adjust depending on the results. Its bro science...bro ;) sorry...Rambling
i believe if I'm not mistaking it somewhat dose dependent. In the very fist days you can see somewhat of an increase depending on the dosage then by about 4-5 days you should see levels in the high 300's to low 500's based on an average dosing of 4-6iu a day then after that i believe at a dose of 4-6iu you hit saturation around a week maybe a little shorter or a little longer...Again though i believe it also matters on protocol i believe if you do multiple doses a day it will reach saturation and stability sooner then say 5 on 2 off...and also if youre one of those guys running 6iu+ a day ive seen people run all the way up to the mid 20's then it takes a little longer to reach saturation as well...Im actually not sure were the whole wait a few weeks thing came from? I mean maybe 2 weeks especially if your doing a not everyday injection protocol...but im curious if the reason some guys advise waiting so long is that some guys step up so they might start at 3iu week 1 then 5 week 2 then work upto 10 by week 4 thus meaning they need to wait until theyre using the correct dose to run igf? also for members like myself who run it yr round i tend to wait a little longer to test to make sure an earlier batch has fully exited my system thus not giving me elevated results from a previous batch...
It takes a little bit for your body to start spitting out a stable level of igf before you have a steady stream of it in your blood. It's not like injecting igf directly into your system. It has to build up for a bit. You might "feel" something happening after 4-5 days but I don't believe it would push numbers that high.
the reason but my initial thinking is serum takes one vial right? but to get a good igf from my experience and understanding youd probably need 3 or so more vials to get an igf for 4-5iu
A spike in IGF-1 is one thing......getting the benefits of GH....months.
I don't care how ripped their mommy tells them they look after a week of using PromoteTROPIN. I mean....what's this shit called again?
Agreed... do you know am I roughly in the ball park for saturation times and such Idk why people wait so long to draw igf if saturation for 4-6iu is about a week
Yeah Im sure if im incorrect hailrazor or kk will correct me but from all my research and everything ive read hgh at a dose of about 4-6iu reaches saturation for igf1 increase by a week, week and half tops...this is why im unsure why so many users on here wait until 4 weeks to have it tested...of course unless like i said earlier its to wait for other srcs gh to clear out or if they are stepping it up like 2 iu at a time until they reach theyre cruising dosage of gh
Based on molecular weight it most closely resembles 192. Proteins were probably degraded during handling and/or sequence errors during manufacturing. Look at the link you posted... $300 for 1mg...3.33iu. Tell me how this can usable hgh at $150 for approx 34mg
Listen I get it ... Hgh is extremely difficult to make (even for big pharma) and equally demanding how it should be stored. But ... I'm not going to rule out the possibility that the Chinese are producing it on the cheap and undercutting the entire market by huge margins. A tactic they are known for in practically every industry ... Bringing some to their knees. If they were capable of doing it in 07, why won't they be today?
They are......my Jins are cheap, and close to HumaTrope. BlueTops? Been running game over a decade. The real question maybe is: should we be injecting biosynthetic GH that may or may not be pure, shit or not even HGH. Is the amount or timing a key factor. Am I shutting down my own endogenous GH with long term use of HGH? Should I be stimulating my own pituitary for GH? IGF-1 maybe with a different peptide to stimulate my own GH instead of injecting a GH or GHish peptide. Should anyone under 30 be injecting GH or a GHish peptide. That what eRoids used to be about......not this prove me this blue top is GTG. Just my .02
I feel ya bro. And that's why when a certified lab does testing, it does further testing. The Amino Sequence provided by A....is 192AA. Period. I tell ya what....I'd be happy to get one of these tested. It would be way more detailed. But, it really wouldn't matter
Your not understanding that 22256.6 is still Recombinant Human Growth Hormone.
Lol. I do understand its rhgh, just trying to determine how ya'll determined sample B was 192aa ... If what you say is true, and Sample A's sequence also matches 192aa but What's funny is that it's MW is just a few points off from fishers 191aa MW std.
And since I'm a layman as well in search of truth, could you briefly explain the relationship between the amino sequence of sample B and what was on that site for 192aa?
Human Gh/ Recombinant rhGH
191 amino acids
Human
176 amino acid (I think there are more from studies I've read) what part do they play? I dunno.
192 Recombinant rhGH (not identical to human GH)
190 Recombinant rhGH(")
So my understanding is the amino is complex. 3D that has folds. Ex(Like a key)
Any changes (folding/refolding) can hamper it's effectiveness.
The Chinese version website (GenSci) has some good info. The steps they take in production, testing , pure materials, retesting is amazing.
More pure (less toxins from e.coli bacteria)
rhGH exactly like ones own GHaa
Less sides more effective (bioavailability)
Thx brother ! It helped a little lol. I guess it's time to get my shit together and just go to a anti aging doc that'll script me at least 4iu Ed ... Black market growth has real uncertainties and too many variables ... But who am I kidding , I'll be first in line to order rips from TP if I see users posting the serum and igf levels that was brought on by the older batches
LMAO! Funny MFr....some back and forth q&A is good. Arguing...bad. Where's GFit? I miss our debates. Are we "experts". Hail no! This Orange tag says so. Makes me nervous. Maybe RIPs for anti-aging. They'll have you SWOLE UP like a fat foot in high heels. Water retention=less wrinkles=Anti-aging.....Tah Dah!! Big Pharma-Snake Oil-Big $$. Maybe taking all this back to ground zero and thinking about what is our end-game plan, is HGH a true beneficial part of it? More importantly, is the Internet HGH beneficial. But what do I know...I'm no Expert.....oh wait...I am. O0
The MW/and Protein Sequence (The ED(50) was determined by the dose-dependent  cell proliferation assay using the rat lymphoma, Nb2-11, and was found to be in the range of 0.1 ng/ml.) from the link posted above is identical to the Protein Sequence that ANGUS posted on the second page. So there is NO question. 192AA
Many tests need to be done to show purity , bioavailability, etc. for rhGH. Blue Top companies DO NOT do such testing, I highly doubt they filter air/water...choose the purest materials, do in-house testing and out source testing to ensure a pure, bioavailabe product for such a fragile and complex AA like rhGH. Not for $100
And if everyone is judging the other sample on the MW alone to determine if its GTG...then these tests are pointless.
My biochem experience is limited so forgive me...I wasn't judging solely on mw just saying that it is possible to eliminate 191 based on mw. Bottom line is production cost of real bioavailable able 191 rhgh exceeds the cost that these are sold for
Yea...unfortunately my street pharmacy skills came from things other than juice :/...probably why I don't remember everything from biochem. But Yea I'm not sure where old eroids went...now it's filled with pipe dreams and a lot of illogical thought
Ok so what if it's not causing welts and my igf is good?? I could prob keep running and if I run into some welts just cut it off right?! This way I could use what is ok at least not b a total waste. U can't say it's shit if it isn't causing irritation and igf is good cuz that is how any hgh goes.
I see you post....you don't want to hear the truth. That other test....I see a number....where's the rest of the testing.
Did the Blue Top Chinese Chemist Fart and damage the 3D structure of this complex AA causing the it to be non-bioavailable? So shooting 10ius a day has no effect I don't care how numb your hands get. Yea....I think you should buy 10 more kits buddy. This is WalMart shopper HGH ish.
But, after having some testing done by a licensed lab......
191 rhGH 22125 D
192 rhGH 22256 D
190 Phe1-hgh 21978 D
On the inserts of all my GH including GenLei Jintropin - 22125D
If testing is in range then further testing is needed. But with the results posted, no further testing is needed. I'm sure we can go back to previous labs posted and find some samples that needed further testing.
I know it's a taboo topic but let's use slin as an example here. How many diabetics complain of red welts at the injection site? And if they were part of the tiny percentage that had that reaction how many doctors do you think told them to inject it IM or add more solution to dilute it? There is definitely a problem with the reactions everyone is having whether we want to believe it or not. The problems everyone is experiencing is slim to non existent with real 191 gh
as a famous forum, we know honesty ,public, discussing is very important,
we don't want to say anything.
if you think you can accept our gh's quality , you can order it .
if you think our gh is 192 AA or the quality is bad, you don't order it.
Well I'm sure no one will buy it in the future with these results. The problem is you sold 100s of kits on the false pretense that it was 191 and it clearly isnt.
I am going to have to king of disagree. This guy is probable not ripping people off on purpose. He is reselling what he thinks is a good product same as all sources selling the shit. He us not a scammer he is just sell crap. I think the generic HGH market needs to die. Mostly to save sources.
I wonder how many will continue to buy ugl growth after soo many fuck ups on it as of late. If it was someone uneducated or real young repeatedly buying this shit over and over I wouldn't think twice but when you have grown men buying this shit over and over it baffles me. you know why? because making growth is nothing like making gear , its quite the process to make human growth hormone something that the average joe or even a large source could do, it takes 100s of 1000s to make growth not some hot plate deal. as soon as I see these buy one get ones or buy 2 get one , or buy 4 get a blow job I know shit isn't growth , its not cheap to make , its delicate as fuck , cannot be miss handled in any way as far as temps go the list is long. imo pharma grade is the way to go , but many complain about the prices of great gear and growth , honestly if you cannot afford 600 to 1000 for a cycle , how in the fuck can you afford the food bill every week because if your diet was on point to utilize these drugs your food bill come the end of the month would be no fucking joke. too many guys trying to get a deal cheap cheap cheap , well when you pay for cheap you get cheap , aka pay junk prices you get junk in return.
Listen fellas, and I direct this to you as well ironbox.
I may possibly be the most busted up person on eriods, I shot herowin and cocain for a long time, iv been power lifting for the last 13 years. im a very busted up 40 years old, im talking tore the fuck up. I would love nothing more then to find real good quality GH for 200 $ a kit but that's make believe land!! im also starting to doubt hygetropin and riptropin and all these other pooptropins going around. the US government wont let you find 200$ growth hormone, sorry guys.
That's what i got lol. At least it want leave welts. I usually use ghrp and cjc, these are for the wife cause she doesn't want to pin 3 or 4 times a day. I've always got good results with peps and its way cheaper and close to same results.
Ahh good call...yeah I feel like if I mess up my body it was my own fault but I don't want to be responsible for hurting someone else ya know
I feel the exact same brotha.
I suppose also a fear of what's really in them 192aa peps etc better safe brotha but at 8 kits you could prob send them for testing... hate seeing a bro get burned
let me also mention this is why i believe sometimes when a new sources pops up and all the sudden we see a few high ranking members post serum results and then never igf or bad igf weeks later...its because as a src it doesnt cost a ton to send a member a few iu's of pharma for a serum test but to send them enough for an igf is conterproductive and expensive thus why we see sooo many serums but few igfs...this is also often the case ive noticed on the brands that come back terrible...a few high ranking members with serums lots of serums few if any igfs
angusin your opinion, how long should HGH be run before an accurate reflection is apparent in the IGF testing? I'm just curious.
"accurate reflection?" I guess it depends on what info you're after. Who's being tested...how old are they....what other supplements are they taking....IGF-1 normal range....deficient? Again, I'm trying to figure it out myself.....starting to rethink the HGH thang. The hard science is based on deficiency and medical use. Anti-aging (off label) can claim anything with no hard facts. BB's know more than GPractitioners. So accurate reflection....hmmm....2 months of ramping the dose...blood test...Then adjust depending on the results. Its bro science...bro ;) sorry...Rambling
i believe if I'm not mistaking it somewhat dose dependent. In the very fist days you can see somewhat of an increase depending on the dosage then by about 4-5 days you should see levels in the high 300's to low 500's based on an average dosing of 4-6iu a day then after that i believe at a dose of 4-6iu you hit saturation around a week maybe a little shorter or a little longer...Again though i believe it also matters on protocol i believe if you do multiple doses a day it will reach saturation and stability sooner then say 5 on 2 off...and also if youre one of those guys running 6iu+ a day ive seen people run all the way up to the mid 20's then it takes a little longer to reach saturation as well...Im actually not sure were the whole wait a few weeks thing came from? I mean maybe 2 weeks especially if your doing a not everyday injection protocol...but im curious if the reason some guys advise waiting so long is that some guys step up so they might start at 3iu week 1 then 5 week 2 then work upto 10 by week 4 thus meaning they need to wait until theyre using the correct dose to run igf? also for members like myself who run it yr round i tend to wait a little longer to test to make sure an earlier batch has fully exited my system thus not giving me elevated results from a previous batch...
It takes a little bit for your body to start spitting out a stable level of igf before you have a steady stream of it in your blood. It's not like injecting igf directly into your system. It has to build up for a bit. You might "feel" something happening after 4-5 days but I don't believe it would push numbers that high.
the reason but my initial thinking is serum takes one vial right? but to get a good igf from my experience and understanding youd probably need 3 or so more vials to get an igf for 4-5iu
angusThanks for the info. I'm working on a project and that will come in handy later I think.
A spike in IGF-1 is one thing......getting the benefits of GH....months.
I don't care how ripped their mommy tells them they look after a week of using PromoteTROPIN. I mean....what's this shit called again?
Agreed... do you know am I roughly in the ball park for saturation times and such Idk why people wait so long to draw igf if saturation for 4-6iu is about a week
lmfao
Yeah Im sure if im incorrect hailrazor or kk will correct me but from all my research and everything ive read hgh at a dose of about 4-6iu reaches saturation for igf1 increase by a week, week and half tops...this is why im unsure why so many users on here wait until 4 weeks to have it tested...of course unless like i said earlier its to wait for other srcs gh to clear out or if they are stepping it up like 2 iu at a time until they reach theyre cruising dosage of gh
There's sooo much information in each of your posts....decalcify the pineal. Third eye opening.
When I say peptide ... You know what I'm talking about the research grade ghrh / ghrp... That's just semantics
Angus has weighed on this in the past both 191aa and 192aa fall into 22k dalton range ... It's a range! Not an exact number.
Just a cursory review of the amino sequence from this site , and I don't see it matching ... Am I missing something ?
http://www.reprokine.com/Human%20Growth%20Hormone%20Recombinant%20192AA%...
Based on molecular weight it most closely resembles 192. Proteins were probably degraded during handling and/or sequence errors during manufacturing. Look at the link you posted... $300 for 1mg...3.33iu. Tell me how this can usable hgh at $150 for approx 34mg
Listen I get it ... Hgh is extremely difficult to make (even for big pharma) and equally demanding how it should be stored. But ... I'm not going to rule out the possibility that the Chinese are producing it on the cheap and undercutting the entire market by huge margins. A tactic they are known for in practically every industry ... Bringing some to their knees. If they were capable of doing it in 07, why won't they be today?
They are......my Jins are cheap, and close to HumaTrope. BlueTops? Been running game over a decade. The real question maybe is: should we be injecting biosynthetic GH that may or may not be pure, shit or not even HGH. Is the amount or timing a key factor. Am I shutting down my own endogenous GH with long term use of HGH? Should I be stimulating my own pituitary for GH? IGF-1 maybe with a different peptide to stimulate my own GH instead of injecting a GH or GHish peptide. Should anyone under 30 be injecting GH or a GHish peptide. That what eRoids used to be about......not this prove me this blue top is GTG. Just my .02
The national center for biotech info MW standard exactly matches sample B's
I feel ya bro. And that's why when a certified lab does testing, it does further testing. The Amino Sequence provided by A....is 192AA. Period. I tell ya what....I'd be happy to get one of these tested. It would be way more detailed. But, it really wouldn't matter
Your not understanding that 22256.6 is still Recombinant Human Growth Hormone.
Lol. I do understand its rhgh, just trying to determine how ya'll determined sample B was 192aa ... If what you say is true, and Sample A's sequence also matches 192aa but What's funny is that it's MW is just a few points off from fishers 191aa MW std.
And since I'm a layman as well in search of truth, could you briefly explain the relationship between the amino sequence of sample B and what was on that site for 192aa?
Human Gh/ Recombinant rhGH
191 amino acids
Human
176 amino acid (I think there are more from studies I've read) what part do they play? I dunno.
192 Recombinant rhGH (not identical to human GH)
190 Recombinant rhGH(")
I don't know shit but:
191/176/192/190 amino acids
Amino Acid Sequence (chain length)
So my understanding is the amino is complex. 3D that has folds. Ex(Like a key)
Any changes (folding/refolding) can hamper it's effectiveness.
The Chinese version website (GenSci) has some good info. The steps they take in production, testing , pure materials, retesting is amazing.
More pure (less toxins from e.coli bacteria)
rhGH exactly like ones own GHaa
Less sides more effective (bioavailability)
No cut n paste ....hope this makes sense
Thx brother ! It helped a little lol. I guess it's time to get my shit together and just go to a anti aging doc that'll script me at least 4iu Ed ... Black market growth has real uncertainties and too many variables ... But who am I kidding , I'll be first in line to order rips from TP if I see users posting the serum and igf levels that was brought on by the older batches
LMAO! Funny MFr....some back and forth q&A is good. Arguing...bad. Where's GFit? I miss our debates. Are we "experts". Hail no! This Orange tag says so. Makes me nervous. Maybe RIPs for anti-aging. They'll have you SWOLE UP like a fat foot in high heels. Water retention=less wrinkles=Anti-aging.....Tah Dah!! Big Pharma-Snake Oil-Big $$. Maybe taking all this back to ground zero and thinking about what is our end-game plan, is HGH a true beneficial part of it? More importantly, is the Internet HGH beneficial. But what do I know...I'm no Expert.....oh wait...I am. O0
The MW/and Protein Sequence (The ED(50) was determined by the dose-dependent  cell proliferation assay using the rat lymphoma, Nb2-11, and was found to be in the range of 0.1 ng/ml.) from the link posted above is identical to the Protein Sequence that ANGUS posted on the second page. So there is NO question. 192AA
Many tests need to be done to show purity , bioavailability, etc. for rhGH. Blue Top companies DO NOT do such testing, I highly doubt they filter air/water...choose the purest materials, do in-house testing and out source testing to ensure a pure, bioavailabe product for such a fragile and complex AA like rhGH. Not for $100
And if everyone is judging the other sample on the MW alone to determine if its GTG...then these tests are pointless.
My biochem experience is limited so forgive me...I wasn't judging solely on mw just saying that it is possible to eliminate 191 based on mw. Bottom line is production cost of real bioavailable able 191 rhgh exceeds the cost that these are sold for
PHD in street pharmacy. But yea, I know you see it. Where's the old eRoids I loved so much eh?
Yea...unfortunately my street pharmacy skills came from things other than juice :/...probably why I don't remember everything from biochem. But Yea I'm not sure where old eroids went...now it's filled with pipe dreams and a lot of illogical thought
I agree about bioavailability ... But the amino sequence for 192aa is shown as:
MATGSRTSLL LAFGLLCLPW LQEGSAFPTI PLSRLFDNAM LRAHRLHQLA FDTYQEFEEA
YIPKEQKYSF LQNPQTSLCF SESIPTPSNR EETQQKSNLE LLRISLLLIQ SWLEPVQFLR
SVFANSLVYG ASDSNVYDLL KDLEEGIQTL MGRLEDGSPR TGQIFKQTYS KFDTNSHNDD
ALLKNYGLLY CFRKDMDKVE TFLRIVQCRS VEGSCGF
Doesn't match what angus posted on the 2nd page:
mfptiplsrl fdnamlrahr lhqlafdtyq efeeayipke qkysflqnpq tslcfsesip
tpsnreetqq ksnlellris llliqswlep vqflrsvfan slvygasdsn vydllkdlee
giqtlmgrle dgsprtgqif kqtyskfdtn shnddallkn ygllycfrkd mdkvetflri
vqcrsvegsc gf
I hear ya.
But it does. Just read I bit. Look a little closer
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thetdog623837fr sent.
AnonOk so what if it's not causing welts and my igf is good?? I could prob keep running and if I run into some welts just cut it off right?! This way I could use what is ok at least not b a total waste. U can't say it's shit if it isn't causing irritation and igf is good cuz that is how any hgh goes.
I see you post....you don't want to hear the truth. That other test....I see a number....where's the rest of the testing.
Did the Blue Top Chinese Chemist Fart and damage the 3D structure of this complex AA causing the it to be non-bioavailable? So shooting 10ius a day has no effect I don't care how numb your hands get. Yea....I think you should buy 10 more kits buddy. This is WalMart shopper HGH ish.
Thats what sent GodZilla running!!!;)
AnonDon't have to be a dk bro!
Didn't I see you typing in broken in English yesterday? I must be confused with someone else.
Brutha I know very little about not much.
But, after having some testing done by a licensed lab......
191 rhGH 22125 D
192 rhGH 22256 D
190 Phe1-hgh 21978 D
On the inserts of all my GH including GenLei Jintropin - 22125D
If testing is in range then further testing is needed. But with the results posted, no further testing is needed. I'm sure we can go back to previous labs posted and find some samples that needed further testing.
swoller87well now send a sample of the fake jins ironbox
I know it's a taboo topic but let's use slin as an example here. How many diabetics complain of red welts at the injection site? And if they were part of the tiny percentage that had that reaction how many doctors do you think told them to inject it IM or add more solution to dilute it? There is definitely a problem with the reactions everyone is having whether we want to believe it or not. The problems everyone is experiencing is slim to non existent with real 191 gh
as a famous forum, we know honesty ,public, discussing is very important,
we don't want to say anything.
if you think you can accept our gh's quality , you can order it .
if you think our gh is 192 AA or the quality is bad, you don't order it.
ok, maybe someone can shut up here,
Well I'm sure no one will buy it in the future with these results. The problem is you sold 100s of kits on the false pretense that it was 191 and it clearly isnt.
guy, we don't force you to buy it ok.lmao
Oh I didnt. Im just speaking on behalf of the eroids members. Imo you scammed people.
LennyI am going to have to king of disagree. This guy is probable not ripping people off on purpose. He is reselling what he thinks is a good product same as all sources selling the shit. He us not a scammer he is just sell crap. I think the generic HGH market needs to die. Mostly to save sources.
I wonder how many will continue to buy ugl growth after soo many fuck ups on it as of late. If it was someone uneducated or real young repeatedly buying this shit over and over I wouldn't think twice but when you have grown men buying this shit over and over it baffles me. you know why? because making growth is nothing like making gear , its quite the process to make human growth hormone something that the average joe or even a large source could do, it takes 100s of 1000s to make growth not some hot plate deal. as soon as I see these buy one get ones or buy 2 get one , or buy 4 get a blow job I know shit isn't growth , its not cheap to make , its delicate as fuck , cannot be miss handled in any way as far as temps go the list is long. imo pharma grade is the way to go , but many complain about the prices of great gear and growth , honestly if you cannot afford 600 to 1000 for a cycle , how in the fuck can you afford the food bill every week because if your diet was on point to utilize these drugs your food bill come the end of the month would be no fucking joke. too many guys trying to get a deal cheap cheap cheap , well when you pay for cheap you get cheap , aka pay junk prices you get junk in return.
bigwillyListen fellas, and I direct this to you as well ironbox.
I may possibly be the most busted up person on eriods, I shot herowin and cocain for a long time, iv been power lifting for the last 13 years. im a very busted up 40 years old, im talking tore the fuck up. I would love nothing more then to find real good quality GH for 200 $ a kit but that's make believe land!! im also starting to doubt hygetropin and riptropin and all these other pooptropins going around. the US government wont let you find 200$ growth hormone, sorry guys.