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Ya i agree, just dont fuck with the scammers then. Some people understand that its more profitable to have happy customers that come back over and over again then to fuck people and make a bigger profit one time.
(that didn't sound right) edit/ I agree
Like i said man its not us pharm grade, But its still a liscened pharm company that makes their gear in a 25 MILLION dollar facility. ill take that any day over gear made in a guys basement. Its very IRON-ic. Lets forget about EU pharm grade for a minute. Dudes are willing to pay 1000 for 100ius of pharm grade gh which is about 800 more then ugl, but theyre not willing to pay the the extra 20 bucks a vial for pharm grade gear. Im talking about bayer and norma now not moldova. Hell the normas are 50 bucks per 10mls, but guys still rush towards the cheapest bathtub brew around but then are willing to spend the extra 800 on pharm grade growth. I totally understand wanting to get real gh, but dont talk about sterility and wanting to know what your putting in your body when you use ugl gear.
Pretty sure there's Authentic GH for a very reasonable price. That just doesn't get shared, I assume.....Bayer/Norma....hmmmm......those counterfeits come from Moldova.....probably made in an expensive lab that's "accredited". I remember "hot plate" labs. Lots of promotion with that one too. I just stick with my scripts. One of the perks of getting old. And the compounds not prescribed, I research...test....and stick with labs I find here that service me well. And they are here.
Im really starting to doubt theres any legit ugl growth. Even the guys who used ugl stuff that got their igf-1 levels into the 600s still said it was night and day using pharm grade. So theres something different going on with this crap theyre selling. And as for the counterfeits, its about trusting your supplier. Theres a few out there i trust to get legit bayer stuff from but theyre few a far in between. Looking at your pics you definitely have a good thing going. I'm just so sick of getting crap and crap dominates the market these days. You need to hook me up with your doctor. Do they take insurance lol?
There may be a slight difference between a sirloin and a prime rib, but its not pork. It's still beef. Just a loose analogy...
I think the issue really comes down to personal preference and budget-ability. I could afford the higher end prices of 600 for 100iu. But I just won't spend that much. I won't buy generic tops either. I do, however, stick to my Chinese labs that continue to perform in lab panels as well as my own experiences. Not to say they're equal or better than your pharma grade. Just puts me in my comfort zone in terms of quality and affordability.
It's not my pharma grade man, I wish I could afford that shit but I'm stuck buying generics to. I'm just sick of getting peptides when I think I'm getting gh. If I wanted peps id pay the low price for peps, if Im paying more thinking im getting gh I alreast want some underdosed gh lol. I don't even care if I'm only getting 50ius for 200 bucks just give me some real gh. I'm gonna send you a pm.
Bad choice of words on my part. Meant pharma gh in general, not belonging to anyone.
Listen brother, I like you and respect your opinion greatly. But there's a huge difference with the process/cost/and science behind aas and gh. Many of us here can make our own "bathtub brew" testosterone just like we used to do with original fina. NOBODY here can genetically engineer ecoli bacteria to produce hgh or pull it from a cadaver. It's a night and day difference. It's like comparing the average Joe making homemade moonshine to making a 30yr aged scotch.
Youre missing my point here. Me and you could put out some fire gear if we wanted to. We could not even if we had the funds make gh i completely understand that. What I'm saying is i think its funny that guys are staying that want to know what they injecting into their bodies and are worried about sterily with gh but are willing to use ugl gear when its literally almost the same price to buy pharm grade gear. Thats all I'm saying. If you say i want to know I'm getting real hgh when i fork over my hard earned money that makes perfect sense, but you cant talk about sterility and shit like that when you use ugl gear. It makes no sense. Why aren't people worried about risk of getting dirty gear from ugl but there so worried about it with gh and only buy pharma for that reason? Thats all I'm saying. And once again let me reiterate I'm not supporting ugl growth I'm sick of this bullshit to ive wasted to much money on this crap now.
Maybe extracting GH from average Joe's cadaver and purifying with his moonshine stIll? But for the record, don't inject cadaver extracted GH. Even if it's $.99 an IU. Research purposes only.
sm4lli swear that i was going to google how to extract gh from a cadaver... Don't seems a good idea now... ;)
StevebBaby cadavers have the most gh but they cost more.... so I've heard.
"DarK WeB" has better cadaver extract info than google......but I'd suggest googling how to make moonshine instead ... .)
You're a trip nooka. Lol
sm4llDark Web scares me a lot... I found a hit man when I actually was looking for some jintropin... Lol
Oh ok....I see now...already thinkn ahead. "alibi"
LennyI have seen a few ugl's operations and I will pass on pharma over them.
I feel ya. It's all just one big ole promotional crap shoot.
"the strings of the puppet master glisten with every minute of the rising sun" 傻瓜
Ahhh...I see now. I know lil bit bout da area. So yea, I'm pickn up what ya layn down. .)
StevebFuck it, I'm sticking with peptides until I can afford real pharma HGH or someone comes out with solid proof their UGL HGH is legit.
LennyBe nice to be rich. I just wish I could afford the generic shit.
I've been following this thread for a few days and have read it all several times. My conclusion is that it's all clear as mud...
bingo
The only that that became clear to me is that real pharma is the only way to know what you're getting. Not that is hard to figure, so I guess I learned nothing...
StevebEven with pharma HGH you have no Idea how long it will take to get to you and if it was exposed to high temperatures in the process.
That comes down to a source issue not the fact of hgh being pharma or ugl.i look at it like this if i needed heart meds or seizure meds would i use a ugl lab where there are numerous unknowns in the substance and there is no quality controll ,or would i use pharma grade meds where i know what im getting and i know what to expect. Now if theres an issue with pharmacy handling it i dont bitch to the distributor of norditropin i take it up with the pharmacy, same goes for the sources.
StevebYes but unless you're getting your HGH from the pharmacy yourself, you have no idea if it will be okay or not. Cold packs don't las long and customs can always hold up your pack indefinitely, that is out of everyone's hands.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Heart meds and HGH.
hence why I go domestic for it.. an even than guys have good bloods all the time from pharma grade growth on here , but good consistent ugl growth seems to be quite the issue.so id rather take the chance on phrama than ugl any day of the week. might be apples and oranges to you but when it comes down to putting things into my body I feel a little better when things are brand name and I know they were made in a lab not constructed in a basement bro. like I said before there is no comparison when it comes to pharma grade hgh and ugl hgh just like there is no comparison when it comes to pharma grade/ vet grade gear and ugl. but creating ugl gear is easy as all hell compared to making growth hormone which is what a lot of guys fail to realize over and over. but if people are ok with paying arms and legs for product that 9 times out of 10 come back faked or severely under dosed over and over than let them keep doing it you cannot fix stupid.
Buying multiple colored tops...time off work...pay to get bloods...buy more Xhina kits because the last ones were bunk...time off work...cars on E...filler up....pay to get bloods (again) $1000's
Acquiring a legitimate Somatropin product FDA approved (or not Jins) PRICELESS
Lmfao i like what you did there.
Black-market products...Pharma or Not...always potential issues.
StevebWhat has become of this world when you can't even trust a drug dealer?
Drug Dealer/Pharmaceutical Co. But hey weeds starting to make some progress (why do you you always look different....freaks me out....better yet....how)
That's true, but at least you It is it HGH and not some mystery peptide or the like.
The less variables the better.
Well said.
kind of common sense right?
MilKmAni love how quality is super important to everyone yet they keep buying this stuff. All these generics are hella weak; you have to take more and you don't even know if that shit is real or not. You end up spending more in the long run. This is comparable to broke guys buying a fake rolex and acting like their top shit.
just my .02
haha yeah no shit and then their fake rolex is broken within a week and they run right out and buy another one.
I don't see how this mass spec proves it's 192aa ... Even pharma growth will deviate from this lab sequence standard ... You guys reliaze there are other standards right? I challenge anyone to get mass specs done on your sacred pharma growth and see if it matches exactly to fishers . This also proves it's not a peptide ... That's all I'm saying ... I wish the science/med guys would chime in like the old days ... Angus ? Beaker? Where are you?
Amino Sequence is different bro. MW 22125D for rhGH (191aa)
This is not about Pharma vs Blue Tops
http://3hbiomedical.jetshop.se/pub_docs/files/Prospec/3HCYT_202.pdf
Molecular Mass 22256 D (192aa)
HGH is a peptide
Darn it hailrazor why are you always ruining my day...does this mean the primo I bought for $1.298 a vial is fake too...I love srcs can we at least conclude from these two tests that at very least gh from this src or any generics for that matter is a crap shoot where yes you may get 191aa but you're at least equally as likely (more cough cough) to get 192aa or complete garbage...IM SORRY BUT I JUST DONT TRUST A SRC WHO SENDS IN HIS OWN SAMPLES sorry caps lock got stuck...I ALSO DONT TRUST SRCS WHO SELL FAKES BY ANOTHER COMPANY... my apologies I really should get another keyboard...
He sent 2. One shit, and one not so shit. Bait n switch. High Karma not so shit, low karma shit. But everybodys hands are numb so the money keeps rolln in baby. Red welts....just shoot it a lil deeper. Yea....I'm really just .....I dunno.
Lets just put it this way...this is one of the many reasons why i dont trust generic gh and especially stuff that seems to good to be true...heres how easy it is for a src to take people on gh
1. Get loads of fake gh or terrible quality gh
2. Get a few vials of name brand pharma
3. Put some of the name brand pharma into your generic vials crimp the colored tops on label them as your brand
4. Send the high grade vials to a few high ranking members on this or any other board as well as possibly send them to a testing site
5. The blood work and labs should come back amazing seeing as you sent the few members and lab pharma gh
6. Watch all the sheep line up and buy tens if not hundreds of thousands of it which is the new garbage and no longer pharma. (also throw in a promo that way you sell tons before the bad results come in)
7. Soon enough a few guys will get wise to the BS now you send a few more vials of Pharma off to the lab and post the results...tada the results are great and now you get at least several thousand more in orders
8. Might as well send another few high ranking members another vial or two of pharma because nothing shuts up 100s of the low karma sheep who got bad blood work like a few vets/sell outs posting great results and calling the other members liars (for whatever reason one great vet blood work trumps several lower level members blood work for some reason)
IM NOT ADVISING THAT ANYONE SHOULD DO THIS AND I HOPE BY ME PUTTING THIS OUT THEIR I DONT GIVE ANYONE ANY IDEAS. I PERSONALLY FEEL THIS IS OBVIOUS AND HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE SEVERAL TIMES! IM ALSO NOT SAYING THIS IS WHATS GOING ON HERE BUT COMMON GUYS THATS A REALLY OBVIOUS WAY TO MAKE A TON OF MONEY AND TAKE OUR FELLOW BROTHERS ON A RIDE FOR THEIR MONEY. THIS IS WHY VETS WHO SELL OUT ARE A CANCER TO EROIDS AND ALSO WHY ALL CLAIMS AND BLOOD WORK SHOULD BE AT LEAST CONSIDERED SERIOUSLY NO MATTER THE MEMBERS RANK
Dude I hope your not calling me a sell out, running your mouth about something you know nothing about. I paid good money for my kits nothing was free and after I recieved them and seen the loose powder and got red sores it was a no brained to do bloods for me and other members. Frank the tank got freebie and igf test shit, i had no idea people got freebies. Be careful about yapping about members being sell outs bro.
Bro Relax over there! No one is calling you a sell out, read what I wrote. Im reffering to past members who have been caught for being sell outs or receiving free gear. I know little of you or who you are, as far as i know you seem to be an alright guy. I dont know why you got so defensive when I clearly wrote im not saying thats what happened with this src. I'm Just saying its happened in the past. My statement that high ranking members in the past have sold out is very true. Theyve been caught and banned several times for doing so. I think you missed the whole point of that post which is that with all the money to be made of HGH and other high end AAS all members should keep in mind that the system can be manipulated whether it be by SRCs or Members. Also in the example I gave it could very well be the src manipulating members including the testers and not the members at all...If a SRC gave you vials to test or perhaps you buy them to test and they send you pharma relabels and send everyone else trash...unless you know than that doesnt make you a bad person but naturally if you do testing youll report back and this can influence other members based on your skewed results..I'm not calling any members out here not even the one that everyone else said surely faked his results...I'm merely trying to explain how easy it is for a src to work the system...how for a couple K investment into some pharma they can turn that into several hundred K by working the system until they get caught...But again relax brotha I am very considerate to all members on this board. As stated i didnt even call out the one everyone else did even with what seemed to be overwhelming evidence...I didn't "yap" about any specific members...as close as i got was saying the high ranking members who sell out are cancer to us all...That means theyre bad for you too bro...i just wish youd relax and read what i wrote I even +1'd you for your test and as ive stated before its important to have multiple tests and not rely on just one..
Anything is possible. I'm a little flamed about all this. 8'kits I got and they were for my wife, she wants to do a bikini contest after 3 kids and I'm not letting her use these kits, had to order some hyges. Yeah we all need to stick together and get test done and figure things out. Sorry for snapping at you brotha, i know you meant well.
Your results were decent though...no where near good but decent...why r u not letting the wife run them...the welts and such? I'm with ya though bro I wouldn't let my wife run anything I wasn't 100% on...r u going to run them out at 10iu plus or toss um
No I stop taking it the day after my blood test and now on black top hyges. Not going to let my wife use them because if it's 192aa there's a chance it may shut down her natural production. I'll probably toss them, I was thinking about switching between black top hyges and puretropin since it is 192aa I wouldn't be on it long term and from the test done i know I was responding to them.
I hope after this fascio you didn't just buy those black top hygepeptidetropon. Atleast these contain 192aa gh those fucking things don't even contain gh and the peptides aren't even high grade.