+ 6 One More Reason Why Sources Are NOT Scamming You.
.....Because the payoff off of giving you plain oil vs real homone is minimal.
In other words, It's so cheap to make gear (most compounds), that it would be stupid to put out ineffective products.
The average source has between 3 and 5 bucks in a bottle of Test E, depending on their pricing, additional overhead, ect...
What you're paying for is RISK.
When I go to prison for doing this shit (which at some point I will), I'm going to need commissary money and cigarrettes for protection. ---- Since none of you are willing to be my cellie, I'm going to have to charge you $40 for that golden nectar that gives years to your life... and life to your years.
Sources are much better off selling you effective gear that produces results...and believe it or not, most all of them do. If you guys would run blood tests once in a century, you'd know that.
Just a little food for thought.
God bless former sources in prison with sore asses.
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When I go to prison for doing this shit (which at some point I will), I'm going to need commissary money and cigarrettes for protection.
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bbondsGoth love ya brotha your the best.
Lol. I hope the sore ass is from pip. When I say pip not the guy nicknamed pip. (Poking inmates privately) lol.
Thanks goth
I agree with what you're trying to say here because in all honesty you and the wife seem like generally honest business people (regardless of what the business is and it's legal consequences). Coming from myself who is a typical consumer of these online products our minds do start to play tricks on us. How many sources set up shop for a couple months, put out incredible gear and all of a sudden vanish a half a millionaire? Then what happens when the tests come back whether it be bloods, mass specs, etc. we find out they started selling pure oil or a bottle that contains nothing that's stated on the label? If there is no difference in profit and you can keep pulling in a substantial amount of cash, then why hit us and run only to return 5 months later with a new name and label? Why not just keep doing what you did from the start and keep steady clients? You're 1000% right that the difference in profit isn't beneficial to a trusted source to start fucking everyone over. But these bad apples that have been coming and going lately has a lot of our heads spinning, especially when long time trusted members with level 2, advance, expert, and pro tags are raving and thanking god that such awesome gear exists. As I said, you and wifey are good people but there has been some horror stories lately that has a lot of members second guessing sources (when there's really no need). Great post Goth and I wish more people were like you.
AnonGreed and an inability to keep up with demand. When newer sources (or repeat scammers) get popular fast you'll notice many get backlogged because they're taking on more orders than they can actually handle, accepting payment for product that doesn't actually exist yet. Keeping supply on par with demand when it takes off is not easy. Packs start coming later and later and then just stop altogether or maybe they start sending out olive oil to keep the scam going as long as possible…. well why you ask when cost of production is so low? Because it's HIGH RISK receiving packs as a source and they can only handle so much at a time, like Goth said that's what we pay for in reality - the risk involved. Well that and hopefully the professionalism of the brewer(s). It must require extreme coordination to have multiple things in the air at once which bigger sources I'm sure do, multiple people endless drops etc. etc. I won't pretend to know exactly what they do but I know it can't be fun nor easy I know that much. Not to mention shippers & re-shippers & their re-shippers & moving $$ & brewing & who knows what the hell else.
So basically by scamming after having built a decent rep... they are taking the least amount of personal risk possible while maximizing profits in the short-term, obviously it will fall apart in the end but by the time it does, as you pointed out, a pile of cash has been made already. It's much easier and less risky to set up shop get a little popularity then ride out off of LE's radar with everyone's money than it is to be legit…. pretty fucked up too but it is what it is… Serious long-term sources close shop to catch up when needed and have a firm handle on their logistics, they make the big bucks sure but they also are rolling the dice in a much bigger way.
Great post Goth you've got some balls to say the cost of production out loud I expected to read some butthurt comments over the profit margin honestly lol. Maybe I've just spent too much time around these spoiled rich kids at University complaining that Daddy got them the wrong color BMW for Christmas. You can keep your job bro I wouldn't want it!
All good points brother and I know what you mean. Believe me when I say I see so many repeat patterns and exact same product (carrier oil, mg, blend amounts, etc) but with a shiny new label and I notice this in the little time I've been here. I have a lot of respect for Goth, Grrl, Big D, and Naps just to name a few. You see who's consistent and been around the block. I don't want to say too much but if I didn't follow the news articles, see mug shots and do research I would swear people were still getting gear from someone (who lives in a pineapple under the sea lol). After a while it almost becomes obvious what happens next. Good points as always Trypt, be safe bro
EXACTLY!
Ponzi scheme
Like the new avi boss
A la Social Secuirty---another Ponzi Scheme.
Great points made... That's why I always tell people find a source you like and trust and that has been around for a while, and go with them. I think people often change sources just simply because the new label looks pretty..lol
The protien I use and have used for years is ON's Gold Standard Whey----has the most boring label in the store... But they simply produce the best protien on the planet, bar none.. I trust them.
Great fcking post as usual, ive always wondered about gear dosing! Ok so we already stated that your going to prison right? Ok, well this buisness seems lucrative, your gear is the bee's knees and the cats meow. Now lets just figure out a mentourship, so when that time comes i can take over shop.;) Ill send commissary and keep bubba off your back, with some tactile cigarette bribery. I will be the biggest fucker on this cite, next to Viking! One Cc for you and Cc for me.......Lmfao
That's actually closer to reality than you may think..lol
Bro, I'd be your cell mate, that would be awesome. Think about it. You and me a couple of bros. I could smuggle in some juice (I know how) see:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/off-topic/how-to-run-a-cycle-in-the-...
You could brew us up some booze.
We could talk shit to everyone and make them feel bad. Surely we would never run out of shit to talk about. I'd have your back, you'd have mine. We could work out in the yard together, I could hold on to your inside out pocket as we strolled around the yard in between sets, while nobody wanted to mess with me. It would be awesome. Well.. At least until the lights went out.... Then shit wouldn't be fun for me at all.
Never mind. I guess I don't want to go to jail with Goth now that I think about it.
LOL....Ed is back in Form!!!!
Don't look at me little puppet don't look at me!!!!
Bro, I have said this so many times I am tired of typing. People thing under dosing is the path to sky high profits and they seem deaf to the reality that it is most certainly not.
I've been saying this for ever now. Cost you 3 bucks to make test, you sell it for 40. If you purposely underdosed it by 50% instead of making 37 profit you make 38.50 and lose the customer instead of having them come back over and over again. It's those sneaky little chinese nbastards who fuck all of is when they cut the raws.,
Be the source who tests every single batch of raws, that's how you make it to the top. Make that your angle, not fast t/a good customer service all the top sources are on top of that shit now but no domestics consistently test raws. The number 1 domestic right now does this and tests the finshed product. I would pay a little more to buy from a source who does this then paying 10 less for the source who doesn't test it. Gotten crap gear to many times now the extra money id have to pay is well worth it to me.
The biotech companies that supply the powders are really in the same boat as the labs. Does it really make sense to lose Ultra Mega Lab as a customer by cutting the powder? Cause Ultra Mega Lab is gonna talk to Super Lab and before the day's over the powder supplier will be black listed.
True enough, but remember an American dollar is nothing to us, but is a half day's pay in china. If a Chinese biotech company owner can make, say $20,000 on a shipment instead of $10,000 by cutting it 50% and sends out two shipments per day for a month, he just made an extra $600,000.
He doesn't give a damn if he ever hears from Ultra Mega Lab, Super Lab, or anyone else again. He retires in a month instead of years later. Or he will open under a new name for another month or two and retire with 1.2 million instead.
I see your point. What you are saying works only if there is a limitation on human greed. I'm not so sure there is.
X2 and 3. Agree 100 percent
X 4and 5. Keep on testing your raws and spot check your finished oils and you will always sell all you can make.
If it slows down the volume you can sell, just increase the price to make up for it.
Feels weird encouraging you to raise your prices, but I'll gladly pay more for 100% reliable gear.
x2 on all these points
Good points made here
THANK YOU!!
i can tell you right now that the cost of being in prison is far from cheap and by the time you are done paying lawyer fees and court costs and making sure your family is taken care of you are not left with much.. The risk FAR out weighs the reward in any underground market.. Not everyone has had the experience with running this type of "business" first hand and think its just easy money.. Nothing easy about doing 5-7 years in an 6x9 bathroom with a bed in it..
100% agreed brother.
IronMonkNah bro just run the juice trade in the big house too
You'll be set
shoxingbiceps17True, but that doesnt mean that the raws suppliers get are pure and accurate. Most of the sources dont even test the raws themselves, they just trust the supplier.
So in that sense, no the actual source isnt scamming you, but the source suppliers are, which the blame then falls on the source.
Thats how I look at it.
That's a situation that isn't going to change anytime soon. That's the risk YOU take.. so we both take risk. Welcome to the world of online steroids.
Get a blood test (and a mirrior) if you want to know how effective your gear is.
shoxingbiceps17I totally agree.
But a blood test wont tell you if your tren or primo is legit, as a mirror wont tell you if you've been running anavar or winny in those tablets.
But yes, we both take risks...
No, but a blood test and mirrior will tell you if theres a difference 2 months after adding that Primo or Tren into yout Test regimen.
For me, it all comes down to resuts.
I found a source that gives me results with gear that gives me results.... I stay with that source unless something happens--- Being in touch with my body, I can tell pretty quickly.
I think the goal is for suppliers to find a way to get a testing database that's reliable and legitimate with professionals running the show.
Makes sense to me. And hey just let us know when time comes and we will send you money for commissary.
flockaflame02Haha love it