posted Fri, 07/04/2014 - 06:57
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+ 16 Steriod Purity Assesment by Electrospray Ionization mass spectrometry
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Another write up by the Dr about how the machine that he uses is used for purity assessment.
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It will be more mature if I would run fake tests with you instead questioning you right ?
angusSee?
Tests will be run by director of a MASS SPEC center ?
This is why I think a couple of new current test will help answer these questions. Theirs no way Angus will be able to answer the 25 paragraph questionnaire ashop posted. I think this has already been established.
It'll just confuse things.
If they both ran 3 test....compared results....then let angus and ashop explain their differences whether its the percentage of impurities/purity/%s.
Real time testing with real time results with real time questions and answers. Best option imo. This will cover more ground than what has happened thus far.....which is on its way to 500 post with still no reasonable answer.
TrnAfanPersonally I think they must do a blind test. Not because it will solve anything but because Everyone watching this thread has already been teased. It would be like sitting in the front row at a heavy weight boxing event waiting on the Champ to come out and they announce that the 2 fighters want to talk 1st. I think test 1st explain later. Also I would like to see a battle to the death or loser leaves. A guy can wish. In the mean time of the time it takes to get testing done Angus will have plenty of time to get explanation of results.
angussee above
TrnAfanNice to see that AVI back. Whats link to the "Wrong Mass Spec"?
Sorry Sir I have not saw your post, I was writing in the same time. I am open to do test for sources but for me is a effort of money and time. Much more when I wanted to do for MuscleDevelop but I have questions on his impartiality.
You are right ! More testing will not clear up nothing. If Angus get one result I get another result and third lab get same result like Angus for example we will be questioning the impartiality of the source who sent products for testing. Thats mean no questions answered but more questions opened. Any result would be we will need to hear from Angus answers to his problems and mistakes
Best way is that Angus to explain all his problems and all his mistake in his articles and my professor will be here to assist and correct him. Once he will answer everything we can know which way we can take.
Right now I am afraid that I am honest and open and I get in a game with a sly Angus. I am afraid because I am not so versatile like him in playing games and manipulating people. In fact I am not at all my social skills are noone to zero
But he has someone who work with that also doesn't completely understand otherwise that person will write for him answers and he will post here. Like I do. I am not analyst but when is needed I have texts wrote by professor. Also I do not conduct here a business based on a subject I am not completely understand like Angus is doing money with testing. Let him do what he understand. Thats my opinion sure.
Maybe I can receive also few raws from few other sources ?
Let me explain. When they put in autosampler, raws can be even many raws of same type. Results will be ready in same time. So if we have testosterone enanthate from 3 sources the results for this product will be in the same time released. Another day another raw ( 3 sources also for example)
Your going in too many scattered ways ashop!!! Stick with the original plan my god.. Now srcs are working with angus....now you need a new raw everyday...ect....ect...your complicating this process even more than it already is!! Just choose a couple srcs that are willing to submit their samples and go with it FFS!!!!
We (eroids) in general are awaiting these results.
Nitti is right ! Before doing more tests that will not clear up anything but more bring more questions let Angus explain all his mistakes in all his articles and his analyses
TrnAfanI would like the info to send samples to the lab of the winner
I would test for sources like naps, xroids, pharmacom, athletespharmacy. I know that guys there are no working with Angus for sure
NorthernTrustI'll send a sample
Where's Karl from Scrioxx? Have him send samples as well as Muscle Develop.
He was posting here earlier but I do not know why he doesnt offer to send samples. Also anyone else ?
angusI have tested over 70 samples for naps. And he has more on the way. Just saying.
Guys are you serious ? How many tests are you doing ? I am thinking to open a testing business just the costs will be little higher than Angus costs ( sure nobody beats Angus he sell illusions for 60 USD but I would sell analyzes )
With MS and your method ? Are you serious ?
I understand. OK let MD send the samples and we will see. I will submit results to a moderator and not to him. It is not scam proof but anyway we will see what is happening
Meantime be sure you answer professor emails and lets see your levels of knowledge
angusExcellent ;-)
A question is raised now by someone who sent me a PM ? If MD is working with Angus and he will say that he sent me something else and Angus something else ? What will be the result ? Or either way, if he want to screw Angus ? I do not think is going to be clear
Maybe someone from moderators should receive the raws and split by two, sending them to each of us. Even so there are ways this test can no be trusted because are based on what MD say. I think MD has a history of testing with Angus so they work together ( this is what I got from a member )
So first lets see the talking between my professor and Angus professor. I would say to HOLD THE TESTING because will not prove anything. If would be something that MODS here would vouch I would trust. Why ? Because I know I have no friends on this site and I am in top 10 and when I was penalized it was for fair things. Nobody here fucked UNTIL NOW without reasons
BEST PROVE WILL BE THE TALKS BETWEEN THE ANGUS AND MY PROFESSOR. THIS WILL SHOW ANGUS SKILLS
Brother I never said to anyone that I haven't worked with Angus before... I've done many tests with Angus and that's what this whole thing is about. I want to make sure that the tests are correct, because I solely base all my trust in these reports and then sell hundreds/thousands of products to everyone here.
Who is the member that thinks I'm working with Angus?
TrnAfanRun the tests. Anyone can be accused of working for a source or Angus. Mod already came to say Angus's report was fishy. There is not a perfect solution.
For moment I will wait until we see transcripts of discussions between Angus and my professor. I will not go into a trap to test for a source that work with Angus
MD approached me by saying he had lots of bad tests with Angus. I have not even checked until someone sent me a warning to check that MD is Angus guy. Could be
Where you guys with 1 Karma are pooping out ?
angusI never make fun of people that can speak English as a second language cause they are clearly smarter than me cause I only know one language but this was hilarious
Sorry Alin, but that is the best misspelling ever. Very funny. Not laughing at you at all so please don't be offended. It's like when your phone autocorrects to something crazy. I appreciate humor is all. Good stuff. A little off topic but I couldn't resist.
LOL I see now . fuck ;) It wasnt even autocorection. It was only my typing . Sorry it 6 AM and I am still sleepy LOL
In attention of MUSCLEDEVELOP I got this information. We need each raw to be labeled for HPLC so we do directly HPLC on each one. We can do the raws for which we have MOA for them
If you do not label please send two samples of 5 grams each. One for MS and one for HPLC. MS will be done next week for ID then after ID they will do HPLC
HOPE IS CLEAR ENOUGH
Yes I understand, I must send 10 grams of each raw.
Will you be submitting samples of finished oils as well? I know raws are critical for you SRCs but being confident in finished product testing is critical for us end users.
angusI trust you MD. Don't label anything for me. But if Alin wants a label then by all means give him whatever he wants.
You have a history of working together. This is what I received in my PM
I think transcription of the emails between Angus and professor will be enough to clear up Angus levels. If he is a bad analyst then his analyzes are fishy
TrnAfanRun the tests and then if it comes back not in your favors pick another source
angusSo you're saying not to test, just go by what my dr says? I'm confused. If that's his you want to do it I'm good with that. I'm good with anything you want to do.
Lets see first your levels after your talks with my professor. I will test as long as samples come from someone I can trust. I have no problems running tests on any compound and you know this
angusSo you don't trust MD? You started this and I intend to finish it, so whatever road you choose I'll be there. I am absolutely confident that the truth will prevail and faith restored in our testing. It might not be perfect but it's certainly not 50-90% incorrect.
I am not sure if I should trust MD or not but he has a history of testing with you and you know each other. He approached to me saying he had problems with you and bad testings. When I got a PM I look in a different way to this
Are you serious about people restore confidence in your testing ? I think you should relax about this
angusBut I know something you don't. It's hard to not be relaxed. Almost like a little kid right before Christmas. Is there Christmas in Moldova? Just curious.
Angus you could be a sly guy, I agree but as long as you will tell a lie truth always come out to light. No worries for me even if MD is your guy. I will test what I receive from him.
TrnAfanHere comes the Boom
TrnAfanThis statement looks like you are having second thoughts
And you have only one karma and no history. Angus I use only one handle to post everything and I am only one guy. Why you need lots of guys ( labrat etc ) and handles ?
TrnAfanYou sound like a blind binder. Look fast there is a UFO out the window.
TrnAfanAmazing how anyone can doubt that you are all about making things better.
Where are you coming from ? Congratulation for your 1st karma
TrnAfanComes with the account.
For wheels and any other member here
The whole argument is about the skills of the chemist who conduct the tests. It's not like Alin may invent now new science, or make up results if we know that he got certain samples for testing
If the members here are interested in complete analysis of materials then HPLC tests should be applied, done by an authorized analytic chemist. There is no way aorund it.
You've been fed for too long with sciebse fiction, and not sciense.
When I showed here lab results it was from an authorized lab, with a signature of the inspector and a thorough valid explanation.
As a comment - and it's been mentioned here - the interest of a serious SRC is to provide good quality product. The costs of materials is fraction of the final cost to customers. It's exactly like saying that a SRC wanna scamm ppl and take money but don't ship, it may happen, but no serious SRC may adhere to such.
Even though I get attacked every time I say it, I will try yet again.
I do not give a flying f..k about getting a complete analysis of the sample. As I'm sure you well know this would be prohibitively expensive and basically prevent customers from testing.
I care about one thing when I send in a sample of a finished product, which is whether or not it contains about the stated amount of active ingredient.
I understand knowing the purity and the identity of the impurities are is important for my health. I will gladly test for them as well II AFFORDABLE.
If there is a way to get the approximate quantity within + or - 10% then that is enough for me. I do not care if the method meets the standard of the pharmaceutical industry or the FDA.
You can measure time with a sundial, a wind-up clock, a digital watch, or an atomic clock. It doesn't make the atomic clock the most practical method and doesn't make the other methods useless.
Personally my only question is whether or not Angus' method comes within +- 10% or so.
That is where an HPLC would come in to play. Run the HPLC then compare Angus' method to these results. Like comparing a digital watch against the atomic standard.
Angus method is + / - 50 to 90% error. If this is good for you then you can be Angus customer for life
Angis quantification method is invalid, I assure you that what he describes as (for instance) 62% has no base in analytic chemistry, and the identification may be wrong in some specific materials.
Affordable is a relative thing, proepr HPC test by an authorized lab costs about 200usd, I know in San Refael Chemical services (which were busted at raw deal) the service was 100usd as they've done it all day long.
this is another concern I raised when talked to Angus - the cost of his testing wouldn't match an authorized lab, but I may be wrong here, I'm not the expert for such costs