+ 10 TRENBOLONE ACETATE by STEALTH JUICE
Sorry for taking so long but I sent samples to a third party to be sure everything is good. This laboratory is laboratory of Academy of Science and the tests where done by experts supervised by a Professor Doctor who can be verified and anyone can feel free to contact them for confirmation.
Analyses are done for two lots of Stealth I have in stock and analyses are done after EU pharmacopeea . Method is validated.
There are 28 pages hope I did not missed any page. Original pdf is available at our support desk. You can ask and they will provide.
I will send samples of all my products I sell to those guys and they will do a test each week because a testing can take few days is not so simple how it seems.
As you see there are no impurities or any problems
Thank you
Ajax @ ashop
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Lmao I got caught with NPP, Sust from Balkin and tren from SP labs, by the police. They sent it out got the test back and they all came back as what theyou were said to be. Granted I got probation and a 300 dollars fine but yeah Alins gear is definitely real and gtg. Plus in 1 year I put 110 pounds on my bench
I can't send you a PM, can't find it on your profile, MY order number is 156037
MrfixitNice man! +1
I really thank you everyone for trust. I got LOTS of emails of support on private. I am happy people really try to read carefully all arguments and they see the truth.
All gear from alin ive tried has been great
X2!!
I am doing my best sir , thank you for your confidence . Is good to see that people actually read the posts and try to understand and see the truth.
I got your back cuz I know your gear has mine.
AnonLooks like we've all got some chilling out to do...
The point is all of this is over our heads...the vast majority of us, intelligent or not, have no training on these matters. Look, I am no scientist, but when my gear is wildly under dosed I know just by my experience. Usually, that means you have some experience to measure from...you don't eat fast food twice a day....you go to the gym and train like an animal, on or off cycle...and you certainly don't take gear to DO the work for you.
It's sad watching this poor guy spend all of his time trying to give insight to people who aren't educated enough to receive it, myself included. Most of us would need years of schooling for any of this to be relevant. And that's why I take mass specs with a measured dose of pessimism.
Everyone needs to chill. Angus is a good dude and I believe he means well, but Ashop looks to be handling this like a professional.
AnonI'm a sophomore studying Biomedical Science and I don't fully grasp this shit. Nothing beyond the basics. The claim that you learn this in Freshman blah blah.... no you don't. I've taken Organic Chem this is still beyond me and I hold a 4.0 lol.
I don't think there's anything professional about hiring a dickhead professor to maliciously bash someone who isn't also a doctor instead of just having a discussion on the matter.... I know zero professors who regress to Ad Hominem tactics it's pathetic of someone with that level of education and is really indicative of being bought and paid for IMO. That's not rational inquiry that's just slander. Seriously, I know zero academics who conduct themselves as such...... then there's sending in a sample which OBVIOUSLY isn't what went out to people in the stealth packs. Really? A nearly 100% raw and it's even slightly overdosed? People would be all over ashop for business if that is what was going out. Hell the test might be fabricated as far as I know considering how ashop conducts himself wouldn't surprise me at all.
I agree with what you said just wanted to point that little tidbit out, your posts are always solid Built.
If you come with something come with arguments like I come here. I am standing up for all my posts and I guarantee that tests are correct for current stock. In the rest you are doing exactly the same like your friend earlier by bringing a fallacious argument attacking the person instead of attacking his argument .
If Angus correct his methods I will be the first one who will back him. He have contact of my professor he can ask informations, MOA and he can get informations to make his tests better. Once he has corrected he can double check with professor and then here you go we have a good tester on the board. I think this is benefic as long as the tester is really good. MS no matter which model will give bad results each time ( fals positive or fals negative ) if the analyst is handling in a bad way.
For moment this is the situation.
And yes you should believe that you have pure trenbolone in stealth packages. I invented stealth, I put stealth on the market first time. I sell for so many years and people are happy I never had complains (just supertest is sometimes painful for sensible persons because is very concentrated )
Packets are overfilled and overdosed usually. I have a lot to loose if I bring you lies here or I tell you shit.
I am honest I swear to GOD I tested sackets from my stock and that is real result. I did not come in front of you to tell you I am a chemist I went for help and double check to people who know to do this.
AnonThat's what your professor did... I'm in a University with one of the best Science departments in the United States and NO ONE here conducts themselves like that. It's slander, not an honest discussion which is clearly your intent. Ad hominem. Pointing out the very logical fallacy that you yourself are employing is quite ironic. I can't say this test is good/bad that would require a graduate degree you know that, but I do know your history as a source. Twotontucky ring a bell? I'm out.
I doubt you are in university because in another post you have made mistakes with primary school math. In the rest this is WOB
epcfitnessThank you Alin
now THOSE are real tests. Thank you Alin...and by the way your gear is really good ive ran it and im satisfied. The balkan gear is what i used.
Here I have a answer to those tests from Angus. Seems he claim after analyses I posted here TA purity is 8%. or anyway something like that. Only he understand his logic until now.
Seems we have discovered the source of the problem. Is not that Angus is a liar or he is faking tests or he want to promote some sources. He is doing the tests but the problems are his skills. He had no skills to use a MS
Here is the email from Angus at those tests I posted here:
I removed his email address for security :
-----Original Message-----
From: angusisok [mailto:
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 4:33 PM
I know you want to believe in the tests that you have run, and I would too but you don't seem like a dumb person and a little common sense goes a long ways here. Glancing over your test report and coming to the first pass, we see that the Benzyl Benzoate appears in more concentration than the tren. It certainly takes up more mass. On the second one it is still more prevalent but on the third it is missing so I'm assuming that is the control.
The peak at 8 minutes represents the BB, the TA at 6, the TH at 17 and the TE at 17.8. Keeping that in mind we scroll through your test and look at some of the number.
Page 8, Signal 1
Peak 11 was at 6 minutes (TA): 8% area
Peak 13 was at 8 minutes (BB): 91.5% area
Page 8, Signal 2
Peak 1 was at 6 minutes (TA): 34.8% area Peak 2 was at 8 minutes (BB): 65% area
Page 8, Signal 3
Peak 10 was at 6 minutes (TA): 98.8%
Peak 12 was at 8 minutes (BB): .08%
And then it just repeats from there.
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I sent his answer to the professor and here is his reply. I think everyone should read and learn
Your answers prove that you don’t have any analytic or data operating skills. All you do is just inject the samples into the mass spectrometer, without any understanding of the process. You start debating over some incorrect information, based on your erroneous results.
Let’s begin with some elementary concepts that are taught in freshman’s year.
1. We are guided by international standards, when taking our tests. Our main guides are different Pharmacopeias. A Pharmacopeia is a collection of official documents establishing the quality standards of medicinal raw materials and drugs. It is constantly being updated and is based on the achievements of pharmaceutical chemistry and pharmaceutical analysis. Our company pays a lot of money for the subscription to these Pharmacopeias. Let it be so… we will send you some pharmacopoeia articles. The anabolics analysis is based on HPLC.
2. All of our tests are authorized, being aimed at preventing the false-positive and the false-negative results. You’ve mentioned a different percent ratio in the chromatographs on page 8. This shows your absolute incompetence. You’ve noticed that all three tests were taken at different wavelengths. This explains the different surface of the peaks. This was done in order to exclude the benzyl peak from the list of impurities. We identified it on the standard sample and exclude it out of the chromatograms sample. We conducted a separate test for trenbolone impurities (as the chromatogram shows at wavelength of 340 nm), but also using other wavelengths, where peaks, not connected to trenbolone, may appear (unpainted parts of other components of the injectable solution).
3. Please stop this ongoing nonsense, write a rebuttal for your so called analysis, and start learning chemistry in a licensed university. You will be ashamed for your analysis, 5 years later.
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Another question I have asked Angus was this :
50 mg is 50% not 11%
Here is Angus answer:
50mg is quantity, 11% is quality.
Because I felt stupid that I dont understand this then I sent this to the professor.
Professor answer is here:
NONSENSE. If your analysis says that the concentration of active substance is 50 mg per ml, then this is the number of the substance purity, because it should be compared to the pharmacopeic standard with concentration (purity) of 100 %. The concentration of impurities should be calculated separately, compared to pharmacopeic standards for each impurity. Thus, if you insist on a concentration of 50 mg per ml, this means that the purity is also 50 mg per ml.
I think all sources that had bad /good tests until now should tests their products for real in a real place.
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Here I uploaded the pages that were sent to me by professor
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SUMMARY :
A fool may throw a stone into a well, which a hundred wise men cannot pull out
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I expect a lot of bashing and attacks to me but I could not keep my mouth shut knowing I am right. This is the true and I expect Angus to come with some really good analyses or comments otherwise he should stop doing this for members.
Like a idea: A good analyst in Moldova is paid with lots of money ( over 2.000 EUROS monthly thats a lot for Moldova) I think a good analyst or at least a analyst in states can make real money not doing tests on internet for 60 USD.
I am in 1st year of lawschool. Would you let me to conduct your lawsuit ? Exactly the same apply here
AnonOh wow then that must mean my Test E sample I sent in had about a 250% purity. That's some next level shit right there.
We're not dealing with nearly 100% pure powders UNLIKE pharmaceutical companies, the concentration given is the amount of raw material in the sample not the amount of active pharmaceutical ingredient. If we had 100% pure powders then this would be true, minus a few calculated minor impurity values. Come on I shouldn't be able to point out flaws in this it's ridiculous...
Why you write before you think ? Seems you are confused totally . Probably other people got confused in the same way. This is elementary mathematic.
MS result were ( for TRENBOLONE 100 MG/ML) : 50 mg / ml with purity 11% . I see this kind of conclusion used in all MS results. Such a conclusion is a NONSENSE. If he insist on a concentration of 50 mg per ml, this means that the purity is also 50 mg per ml and that is 50 % not 11%.
Let me explain: If raw is 98% then manufacturer will add 2% extra raw. So results will be a concentration of 100% with a extra 2% of impurity. If your testing guy is using a MS then he should identify also the impurities. In a raw for a substance there are impurities specific for that substance.
You say your testosterone is 250% purity but you are skipping primary school. Your testosterone result was 250 mg per ml ( on label 250 mg/ml expected) so is 100% not 250%. One mg is not one %.
This is very simple you don't need to be chemist to understand.
Also professor told me that the guy who is using this MS is a rookie because term of "purity" is so often used by you in his comments is more a term of slang, because no pharmacopeia actually describes such a term.
In pharmacopeeia are identified impurities specific for each substance. Not the total purity that is a nonsense.
I think now is very clear of you
I have no intention of bashing Angus but I have no choice than to answer to questions here.
AnonIt was a joke to make a point genius. Right over your head.
This isn't pharmaceuticals it's underground steroids. Labels are not accurate, raws are not even remotely pure, there are no GMP standards being followed. You would do well to have someone with an educated stance on the topic come here to speak because neither you nor I can do it correctly, I was just pointing out a logical fallacy in the above argument which still remains true. Ion count is being used on these mass specs in a way NOT USED by independent licensed testing facilities at least that I'm aware of, just like the raws being used in UGL labs would never be validated for human use in any country on earth no matter how poor. I believe that is your point about the testing, but it's void.
More or less this is all slander instead of an honest discussion. No one with brain cells will appreciate that but hey plenty of dum dums here as there is in any market. If people are gullible enough to think you have 98% pure tren raws year round that goes out in all your product then hey more power to ya scam away.
I'm not saying Angus is right or wrong either, only that you're full of shit and not having an honest discussion about it.
I am using high quality raws. You have no idea of mathematics but about pharmaceutics.
You say now that was a joke ? No. It was a try to confuse people and make them not understanding any logic.
The market of raws is not the one you know . You know one side of market for guys who buy small and mailorder.
You are not speaking here with a idiot who buy 2 kg by mailorder. I suggest you to stay in your place and not show you are a expert where you are not.
So what is your interest here ? Are you promoting some source products or are you backing bad analysts. Because you have no ideea of pharmacology, analytic, chemistry but you bring nonsense arguments in a discussion.
I can show you raws with purity on 99% . Get a real laboratory and I send on your way to show you.
HPLC is not used to test steroids, although MS is.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1500894/
You read something and you dont to read. MS is used to determine WHAT IS INSIDE not how much. Is not possible to use MS for quantitative determination .
HERE ARE METHODS ACCEPTED FOR TESTING STEROIDS. Those are scans from Pharmacopeeia :
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I PAY 20.000 USD FOR THE CUSTOMER WHO CAN PROVE FOR REAL THAT I SOLD HIM A UNDER-DOSED /OVERDOSED WITH MORE THAN 10% . TESTS SHOULD BE AT A CERTIFIED LABORATORY WITH A CORRECT METHOD.
What I posted here is a correct method from a laboratory that exist and can be verified. This is a real analyses. I will believe a contrary analyses when I see something from a real laboratory with a correct method.
As for the people who post tests done who know where and nobody know how by mr.xxx is their problem. Is not hard to make two pages with some graphics. from what messages I got there is a file like a xls where you input your data and get some graphics. such methods without validation worth nothing.
AnonI'm lol'ing
This stuff might be real but the stealth I recieved from him was bunk.
You have one of the batches tested here. I dont know what you sent to Angus because he received in a different recipient. Also without bullying anyone your guy needs to answer lots of questions regarding his method. Absolutely all experts claims doing concentration with MS is impossible without a standard.
I expect a lots of bashing but your guy can improve his methods and he can present lab tests comparable with this using a standard of reference to make the quantitative determination. I hope he will be open and he will do the necessarily corrections for his method because would be good even for me to have a independent laboratory to test the products here.
Warning to everyone out there dont trust this dude. He told me he would make everything right now he is going back on his word he also said he would pay me for what I paided to get it tested now he says he is not going to. He trying to say I sent I junk sample in lol yeah I made a batch with11% TREN IN it come on man just man up u sent me junk gear.
AnonI'm still laughing that he expects us to believe this nearly pure sample of tren ace is what actually went out to people.
I PAY 20.000 USD FOR THE CUSTOMER WHO CAN PROVE FOR REAL THAT I SOLD HIM A UNDER-DOSED /OVERDOSED WITH MORE THAN 10% . TESTS SHOULD BE AT A CERTIFIED LABORATORY WITH A CORRECT METHOD.
As for the people who post tests done who know where and nobody know how by mr.xxx is their problem. Is not hard to make two pages with some graphics. from what PM I got there is a file like xls where you input your data and get some graphics. such methods without validation worth nothing.
Yeah he is full of shit he needs to just man up & fix the problem.
Bro I ordered Balkan from Alinshop,and that gear is fire.SP and Stealth never tried,this is a great source!
Your attitude is showing everyone the quality of your character and I am very clear where the problem was
We sent you lots of products for replacement as long as I tought it can be a problem. We even offered to refund you the costs of the tests. Once I tested my stuff from stock and is clearly I have not any problem I do not see the reason to make refunds and send you anything else.
Was proved that our stuff is/was very good. I don't see reason to accept anymore your bad words your shitty attitude and your extortion.
If your attitude was normal and you wouldn't call me names and be aggressive I would go to the moon and back to make you happy, as I do with every customer.
Yeah I have an attitude when u send me junk & try to say its not anyone would get an attitude.
Thats fine I dont need your shitty gear there are way better scoures out there. People will realize your gear junk when they run it.
DHTmanVery happy to see these;) +1
noob941thanks ajax +1