+ 1 Genetic freaks.
Wanted to hear what you guys think these genetic freaks have that the rest of us guys don't. I'll tell you about my best friend. He's natural, 6'2 235lbs right now at probably 10%bf. We went to college together for 3 years and during that time he maintained 225lbs probably 10% bf and out of that time he probably spend a total of 2 months in the gym. On top of that his diet consisted of 1 meal a day plus about 20 beers. Never touched a steroid in his life I know that for a fact. His uncles are professional rugby players in England, one of them runs sub 4 minute mile, so he comes from a genetically blessed family. And I'm so jealous. I honestly believe my friend has extremely high levels of test, his hairs basically gone and he started losing it at 18, he's really quick to flip out, still gets some pimples here and there at 24.
So I'm sure you guys know someone like this. What do you guys think makes these guys like they are? Higher test levels? Low levels of myostatin? Just genetics? Love to hear what you guys think.
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This dude is to funny, he's so right tho. he just crushed my dreams of having big calves lol. Its not gonna happen mine are always gonna suck .
BS figure out if your Endo, Ecto, meso and go from there. Fat cells are created at age - 1 thru 6 just like muscle structure and protein. If mama fed you crap to keep you happy then you need to figure out your diet most of it is environment, once you figure out your body type go with it.
Genetics are everything... I have a small frame but huge muscle bellies...and it limits me tremendously in terms of professional level bodybuilding... No amount of exterior influences are going to change that. But I still have good genetics...especially arms delts and traps/back. But judges want mamoth dudes now....and that is a rare find.... Think of the huge country corn-fed boy in front of you at the 7-11. A little fat, but mosty just round hard beef.....4 feet wide shoulder to shoulder.
Now strip all the fat from him and put him on gear with mega cal diets and brutal training. Mix in rest, and optimum genetic-response to said gear, and TADAAAAA...You have what MIGHT be some day, if he's really lucky---- a shot at MAYBE standing on stage with a Coleman or Cutler..
That's what genetics are....and THOSE are the only guys who stand on an Olympia stage these days. The rest of us are dreamers... But we can still build great bodies.
Kinda wish it wasn't so....would love to see the more asthetic, smaller framed guys place higher.
Great point bro.
Don't short yourself. You say you have a small frame with big muscle bellies, just look at lee priest. The mans 5'4 and turned his small frame and big muscle bellies Into an olympia level body. I actually also believe genetics are relative. So you brought up the judges, it's relative to what they like. In the Ronnie Coleman era they were all about mass freak monsters, now were seeing more aesthetically pleasing with mass such as phil heath. What's next after phil? There may be a physique out there that no one has ever seen? It could be yours? It could be anyone on eroids? I've seen some wierd muscle structure on some bodybuilders but you never know how bodybuilding will change. If you want it bad enough and your a dreamer as you say then it is possible.
How do you know he's natural? Maybe he's just lying.
He's been my closet friend for years. I know everything about him. He constantly lectures me about using them because he like most of the population has been brainwashed by the media. He's a genetic freak and comes from a family of generic freaks.
I used to be all about genetics and believed that there were people with better genetics. I don't think its 100% genetics anymore. good genetics are due to what we engage in when we are younger. If you notice all the "genetic freaks", phil, jay, ronnie, lee priest, lee haney, etc all started YOUNG by playing sports or lifting at a very young age. Shit lee priest was juicing while in his teens! Good genetics are a result of what you do. these guys were all eating, sleeping, lifting, and growing while everyone was out getting laid, drinking and hanging out. Thats what they mean by sacrifice. If your a fat shit when your younger and aren't active at all and then start lifting in college while continuously drinking every night, you will be VERY VERY far behind the "genetic freaks". By introducing an active lifestyle early on it gives you a jump start and enables you to build up a solid beastly natty frame . Once you add gear to that type of naturally perfected fully efficient body you get a genetic freak. This is not to say that it is impossible to regain that lost ground if you weren't active at a young age or partying every night, it just means if YOU want to be a genetic freak you have to give up partying, drinking, and having a social life pretty much. It sucks but its either choose to be a genetic freak or choose to keep setting yourself back each time you go grab a few drinks with your boys, get hammed, or miss meals. Thats just what I believe
I agree with you about 50%. If you start early people might mistake you for a genetic freak, but your still not my boy who's 235lbs lean and doesn't know anything about lifitimg weights, diet etc and didn't spend the 5-10 years of living this lifestyle it takes to reach that level of development naturally. But your totally right, if you work hard when your young and shit you have a better base when your older. But I played sports all through my life including college. I def didkt lift until I was 21 or eat at all lol, but I wasn't a couch potatoe at all. My dad told me a story that was interesting, he played football in high school and him and this guy started lifting at the same time, lifted after school for football everyday etc, and they both started benching the same amount like 135lbs, and after either that year or the next my dad was benchimg. 205 while the other guy was putting up 315. They did everything the same. So genetics play a big role in it. Specifically the rate you add muscle, strength, how well your body holds onto muscle etc. so while your def right and starting to live an active lifestyle will help a lot, it doesn't replace genetics. My friend is crazy tho, doensnt eat, drank like 20 beers a night when we were in college and maintained 225lbs lean and out of the three eyes we were up at school he probably spent a total of 2 months in the gym. He's a freak .
Yea those are good points I do agree with you that genetics are 50% actually but deff not 100%. I just don't like telling people it's genetics because it's prettyi like crushing their hopes and dreams. Idk what your friend looks like but imagine if he didn't drink 20 beers a night and lifted continuously lol he would probably look twice as good. I try to compare myself to the pros only and no one else in the gym that's what usually keeps me motivated and focused because they are the only ones who have flawless physiques. I guess I'm a it biased towards the hard work mentality.
Yep. +2 I used agonize over genetics and I just ended up working harder. I got over it. You know - "No one is gonna beat me cause they out trained me" mentality . . . .
yes exactly! and that mentality is all you really need. Hard work, consistency and time thats the "secret"
Genetics bro. My buddy that really got me into lifting is a gene freak as well. He was 170lbs 5'11" 7% body fat on 1 day a week in the gym and chicken nuggets and lil Caesars with a dash of a case of beer!! Smh shit is ridiculous. Or this black gentleman I see in the gym once a month maybe has one of the nicest physique I have seen in person and he swears it's from throw kegs around at the liquor store and partying. I lift 4 days a week 2 hrs a sess at least and have finally surpassed my first buddy chicken nugget but still don't have his body fat % and my diet looks way better then his. If I ate like he did I would be a fat sloppy slob. Btw chicken nuggets dad is buff as hell and does not lift period. Still have a way to go to have arms like keg's but one day with dedication I'll take my shitty gene pool there ;) maybe I should get a job at the liquor store.....
lol maybe the liquor store is the key. I think I've been doing it all wrong with this whole strcutured diet, hitting my macros, not drinking and getting my 8 hours of sleep. Im gonna do it like my boy, stay up all night, drink 20 beers a day an eat one meal a day usually a buffalo chicken calzone. I guess thats what it takes to get up to a lean 235 lol.
Nobody gonna give anything, gotta work for it baby... anyways my training buddy is 18 at 6' and 265 lbs 15%ish... he keeps saying I'll cut when I hit 300 lbs.. LOL
i used to train with a 22 yr old kid who i shit you not at 6'1" his physique looked nearly identical to arnolds at his peak, he was all natural, he lived on burger king and chef boyardee and drank like a fish. i was always envious, he wanted to start a cycle bad but i wouldnt help him out. he moved and is now considering competing. his dad which is in his late 40's has an amazing physique and works out 2 or 3 times a week and eats shit too.
The super in my building is jacked up. He has never touched steroids or supplements eats like a monster.
Yet he is about 6'2 and built like a bodybuilder. He does not work out. It amazes me.
A friend of mine has benched 610lbs in competition and has repped 315 for 23..Makes my 420 bench look rather pathetic. Dude is 6'1" and 270llbs. He has never done steroids, trains sporadically and has a crap diet. I'm sure if this guy had ever decided to get serious could have been a pro for sure. He's late 40's now and carrying a huge amount of muscle although he has a pretty good amount of belly now as well. When he benches in the gym everyone stops and watches. Genetic freak for sure...
Holy shit lol....thats crazy. He is a true genetic freak.
For reals Bro. I've always wondered as you have just what sets these guys above the rest. Higher test levels? I don't think this could be it because look how much we raise out test levels on cycle. The myostatin I have read up on some and I think this could possibly be it. I would love to see more studies on it and tests ran on these genetic freaks so to say.
Ya like someone said before constantly having higher test from a young age can be a factor, I definitely think it has something to do with levels of myostatin, and just plain old genetics probably play the biggest role. Ive been begging my friend to get blood test so we can see what his test levels are. Id love to know.
LOL... let me sway the topic slightly with something that happened in my presence very recently.... hahahaha you're gonna like this one!
A friend of mine who is a 7 times Mr Universe winner (Gary Lister.. check him out if you wish)...... who is a FKN Monster let me tell you and someone who we all would agree is very genetically gifted without a doubt was engaged in a conversation on facebook when the first pics of Big Ramy started popping up for the olympia............ Yep you got it!.. Big Gaz replied!.... "He is a Genetic Freak" lol.... see what i mean.. even big guys that are gifted look at even bigger guys with envy and always flip the Genetic card..... its the neverending story.
Gary Lister is a beast!
My training partner when i travel to his gym bro (Universal Gym Doncaster Yorkshire).... got the best leg equipment in England.
lol as if your friend isn't a genetic freak himself. Thats funny. But thats how it is. My genetics aren't very good, but I'm sure there better then alot of guys. And theres alot of guys out there with much better genetics then myself and thats life. Its no excuse, genetics are great, but heart, determination, and dedication will get you pretty damn far.
sounds like hes wasting some potential lol. i find genetics to be a very interesting topic!
RustyhookerYou wanna see evolution of genetics? My bodybuilding hero Lee labrada.. His son is doing first show soon. Built just like his dad. Full champ material. His pix is posted on Facebook under Lee labradas nutrition site.
I would have to say most likely genetics. ive known several people like this. sucks because as a kid I grew up a little meatball lol and put years of hard work and dedication into transforming myself. I look at it like this though, theres no sense dwelling on the gifts or talents of others, because then were just wasting time we could be focusing on ourselves. And the self rewarding feeling you get when reaching that point of achievement is far more worth the feeling those "genetic freaks" feel.
I remember one of my old friends blowing up naturally, from 15-17 he used those weights that you fill with concrete, basically sissy weights. After out growing those he joined a gym and put on 60lbs in about a year.
He was 100% natty, it's definitely genetics and high teen test, can't forget food, he ate like a beast lol.
I've seen it in a few people over the years, you can just see it in them, they have the calf's, the rear delt that pop out and the rest, some are just blessed, the rest of us have to slog it out. Which has become a lot easier since I joined eroids lol!
Yeah this can be frustrating for sure, A buddy of mine who has pretty weak genetics always says that he is "training his ass off for his future generations" Genetics is a strange thing, there are many secrets yet to be unlocked which is incredible considering how advanced we are in medicine and research.
Idk how it's possible to change your genetics. If you look at me, my dad, and my grandpa were all the same. Well atleast I would be if I didn't lift. There all skinny fat.i need to find a super athletic girl to make babies with so I can atleast give me kids a chance.
its possible to turn on and off certain genes with environmental factors and the research community is barely touched the tip of the iceberg when it comes to genetic research. the future is bright brother:) http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/genetics-new-and-intere...
I had a buddy in high school like this. He looked just like John Cena and he never touched a weight and partied all the time and smoked pot liberally. He was just naturally built like that. Cant imagine what his potential would be if he tried even a little.
The wasted potential is so frustrating, id kill for those genetics.
Some have it easier. My training partner eats utter shit (pies, pasties, chips etc) and his bf never gets above sbout 10%. If I ate the way he does I would be a fat slob within 6 months.
I'm just jealous!
I'm jealous to bro. My dad always jokingly accuses me of steroids and I always say back to him, I wouldn't need steroids if you didn't give me these terrible genetics.
See I have the genetics to be big, but not lean. My father was a 6-4, 300lbs monster, his father similar size to me 6-1, 260lbs. It depends on what side of the fence you sit on. To a 150lb guy, I guess in their eyes I am gifted. Not quite so lucky with BF, I only have to hear the word sugar and I gain fat.
Genetically I'm a skinny fat ecto lol. I don't even get the one benefit of being an ecto which is not putting on fat. Worst of both worlds lol. But I don't let it hold me back at all I look pretty damn good now and I'm only gonna continue to improve.
And ya you come from a family of monsters
Long long long lineage of a hard working, built tough as fuck family tree. Breeding among other individuals of the same description. As you know the body adapts to repetitive stimuli. My theory is that its somewhat of an evolutionary adaptation. Their ancestors probably worked all day carrying trees on their backs and breaking stones with their fists for work. Lol. Plus high test from a young age will build you up. I knew a kid in high school who was 3 years younger than me, which at this time he was 14/15 just coming into high school, I had known him prior to high-school because he was friends with my friends little brotger. This kid had a full beard in 7th grade... he was about 5'9" 205lbs, 8% bf. And just built like a horse bro. Seriously. His freshman year he was benching 295 for reps and that was his first year ever in a gym. But guess what. Now he's skinny fat and not strong at all. I've told him so many times if he quit partying and drinking and got into his diet and gym just a LITTLE BIT, he could easily be a model, or if he got dedicated he could be a VERY good bodybuilder in no time flat. Genetics take you places for sure. But a killer work ethic and extensive knowledge can beat genes 9 times out of 10. Unless you're Phil Heath and have heaps of both. Lol.
Ya your friend sounds just like mine, except mine is still a fucking tank and i don't see it ever changing. He's been pretty committed to the gym for the last year or so now, went from 220 up to 245 during the last year. This kid also has strength and power that can't be build in the gym, its fucking insane. He already looks like a monster, i mean the kid was 245lbs with abs, imagine what he would look like if he was knowledgeable about diet and training. I can't even begin to imagine what would happen with a good diet, training and some gear. He could probably get up to 275-285lbsbs in a few years with gear. If he can get up to 245 with abs naturally with no knowledge, He could definitely build another 30-40lbs of muscle over a few years on gear. It would be insane.
That's some big Ramy type shit. Hate those guys lol.
There's no doubt in my mind the if he had Dennis James coaching like ramy he could be over 300lbs. He could get to 275-285 doing the basic cycles we do. Now imagine him with one of the best In the industry on tons of gear , gh, igf-1 and insulin. Crazy to think about.
Aside from losing hair and acne it must be nice to not have to do shit and look like a brick shit house..I got a Buddy like that, straight corn fed country boy.big as shit for no reason.he works in an office lol looks like he was a brick layer
Right dude? I'm over here busting my ass day in and day out force feeding myself, counting calories and making sure to hit my macros everyday, and my boy is on his bulking diet which consisted of adding bacon to all his meals which got him up to 245 with abs. And now he's getting shredded doing high reps and drop sets. Im just so jealous lol.