-3 "Pulsing Method" for orals
Hello, this is my first post here and I'd like to introduce the idea of "Pulse Cycling" to the community for feedback and accept any intelligent criticism of this method that may come my way. Please note that I am not a body-builder, and my goals are to get under 175lbs (80KG) if possible, and stay fit while remaining relatively thin. My current unreliable scale say's I'm 25% body fat, but I think I am less than 20%. Please see link below for an explanation on Pulse Cycling:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/62121-how-pulse-orals.html
A little info about myself is that I had bad liver values from only 2 weeks of accutane at the age of 16 so am cautious about anything that may affect my liver and try to avoid them and have been taking liver supplements such as milk thistle ever since. Having a bad liver runs in the family. Without knowing what I was doing in my 20's while just taking advice from idiot friends, I was pulsing prohormones and designer steroids such as Superdrol, prostanozol, or 19-nor prohormones without any PCT taken only on workout days about 2~3 times a week. I believe the 19-nor prohormones made me had to get 2 hair transplants in my late 20's and put me on permanent daily propecia supplementation to safeguard against further hair loss.
I have done test-only cycles and get undesired weight gain and acne, but also pulsed harsher-on-the-liver compounds such as D-bol and Winny along with the test base and had great success (better than the test-only provided, but only on workout days to save my liver). After a couple injuries, a busy work schedule, getting married with kids, and a shoulder labrum tear than made me stop working out out for a few years, I have started again but strictly pulsing orals on workout days along with constant liver protection and have good results almost back to my prime when on cycles during my late 20's. My liver values are normal perhaps because I always take milk thistle every single day of my life now. This is good enough for me.
As absurd as it sounds, I currently just pulse orals only 1~2 times a week immediately following 1 day PCTs with Nolva and am doing much better than I would naturally. I cannot have needles laying around the house due to wife and kids. Blood work and liver values are normal on my last checkout. Yes, I know I should get my body fat down and work out more, but my job and new baby is making my life too hectic at the moment.
Thus, my question is what are your thoughts on Pulse Cycling orals only or pulsing orals on workout days with test base? Are we all idiots that do not deserve to use gear and will mess ourselves up in the long-run? Please explain.
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I just read your post carefully and all your responses down the thread!...... honestly i think you are a total twat and do not have a fkn clue what the hell you are doing to yourself...... that being said i dont want anyone trying to follow your fkn idiotic fkn ideas either..... let me show you the door off the wall senseless prick..................... BANNED for safety reasons and to protect younger un-informed members from lunatic advices.
Waste of health and money imo.. besides the fact I dont think pulsing will really help.. your body fat is 20 to 25 percent.. gear with that amount of fat is asking for trouble.. plus it wouldnt be that hard to drop to say 15 or 12 percent if you really worked on your diet.. members would be a lot more enthusiastic about helping you if you came back after losing weight.. it shows you arent just looking for a quick fix
On a side note they make dbol and other orals into injectables whixh arent as harsh on your liver if youre that worried.. however you would become a pin cushion
Burren247Just wrote this just for you
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/mixing-two-oral-steroid...
AnonI originally tried this idea due to cycling requiring one to be "on" and "off". With pulse cycling only 2 times per week, perhaps one can be "on" year round and have gear in your system during the most crucial metabolic times which is just before and after your workout. And to be honest, I am getting gains (though not as much as full cycling) using this method. Again, I know this is already being met with negative feedback, but if some people out there do not try new ideas, then breakthough ideas will never be discovered.
Also, I prefer not to go on TRT at this time due to my natty test levels being on the high-normal side per my last test after 1 month being clean.
whats your cycle history?
AnonThanks for the feedback. I have done test base with orals on workout days. My liver is good now due to milk thistle. My bloods are normal. I know ideas that sway away from the consensus will get negged here. Testosterone Undecanoate oral will also work if test base is needed in my case.
Disclaimer: Do not follow this idea as I am experimenting. I like trying different approaches to long held beliefs.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkBro; steroids has been around a long time.. Right now I think cycling is right on the money, since we already have a vast accumulation of knowledge, why try to change things when they work just fine the way they are... IMO bro, this experimenting shit is a bad idea and it might get you banned if you start pushing it off on other members or you keep promoting the idea to go against the grain... we are about doing it right.. that interns keeps us healthy. Typing up a thread of bullshit and adding a disclaimer doesn't justify it... Be Careful and take care of yourself bro... your health is very important.
Get some LIV-52 or NAC N-acetyl Cysteine
Milk Thistle is overrated and misunderstood bro...
AnonThanks, I will look into it. The milk thistle helped me for sure but I am open to trying things even stronger and better.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkMilk thistle would be good if the oral bioavailability wasn't like 5%. But I still take it anyways with my other liver supps. Can't hurt.
Yes, it can hurt.. it add to the strain, it's another compound your body has to metabolise, on top of everything else.. so it INCREASE enzyme levels dude... it is meant for people who already have a predisposed medical condition, it does nothing to prevent the initial onset bro.
• Protects Liver Cells from Damage – Because supplementing with milk thistle is associated with lower enzyme levels of AST (an enzyme that indicates liver damage), scientists believe that this herb protects the liver from damage.
• Helps Regenerate Liver Cells – Because milk thistle stimulates vital protein synthesis through the enzyme RNA polymerase I, it is believed to be responsible for helping the liver regenerate.
• Reduces Iron Stored in the Liver – Excess iron might exacerbate liver injury in those with chronic liver disease. Since supplementing with milk thistle appears to lower iron levels, this is another reason why it helps support the liver.
Silymarin is categorized as one of the safest herbs used today. However, those in healthcare know that there are relatively few substances that are 100 percent harmless.
Sounds to me like it does protect the liver.
• Liver Enzyme Inhibition – Certain medications metabolized through the hepatic cytochrome P-450 (especially the enzyme CYP3A4) may be affected by milk thistle. Studies suggesting milk thistle interferes with some drugs have delivered inconsistent results. However, University of Pittsburgh researchers published their findings in 2000 that silymarin inhibits cytochrome P-450. Their finding implies that drugs metabolized by these enzymes remain in the blood longer with milk thistle than they otherwise might.
This lone study is the basis for most of the concern about drug interactions with silymarin. Although many practitioners believe otherwise, some suspect that the following medications may stay in the blood longer in those who also use milk thistle:
And this sounds like another promising benifit of it considering a lot of us drink grape fruit juice in order inhibit the action of CYP3A4 enzyme in order to improve the absorption of orals.
I'm not argueing that it's over rated for liver protextion and other supplements are necessary in to protect it from harm when using 17aa's but to say that it puts so much strain in the liver to warrant not taking I is not right. I'm not a doctor and I won't pretend to understand how the liver works but I do know that not all drugs cause problems with the liver, some just cruise through it smoothly. I take a medication for migraines and a few times when I wanted to get bloo work done on cycle I told my doctor, I just want to make sure my migraine medicine isn't effecting my liver negativey just so he would right me the order for bloods. And he said something along the lines with what I just said and also the fact that so drugs are not even metabolised by the liver.
It shits all over your androgen receptors too. MO SCIENCE
I've heard of liver supps lowering the effectiveness of orals. But it's probably just pro science.
God I shoulda saved it, it was a great article about milk thistle down regulating androgen receptors, the how the why the science bla bla. I'll try to find it again.
Converts to estrogen too if you use too long...... fact.
lol I wish I would have know this before I spend 30 fucking dollars on a bottle of that bullshit. I'm gonna pm you bro.
Read that too, older guys were running it per doctors orders and their test took a steady accelerated decline over time. I never use it. Liv52 does wonders for me. For now at least. 21 days of m1t and 4 tabs of liv52 daily and enzymes came back on the low end of normal. Beautiful.
Im using 4 tabs of liv52 DS a day and 4 300mg tabs of milk thistle a day with my anavar. Sounds like I should just drop the milk thistle and run the liv52 right?
I would. The bad outweighs the good with thistle imo.
Im still pissed off I spend 30 dollars on it. Thats alot of money for a fucking herb. I wonder if vitamin shoppe will let me return it with like 20 missing lol.
Best to use it whilst running orals and for 2wks after..... quit taking it after that 2wk period to kill the estro issues it may bring.
It does have its purpose bro and i still use it when running orals but just get the timings right and you get the best from it without the negatives it may bring.
Does supps like liv52, tudca, essntiale forte do the same thing? Milk thisle is so poorly absoebed orally that it's not even worth taking if what your saying is true. I have a couple other things in my arsenal I could use as milk thistle was just one part of my support stack for my liver. Would love to see that article if you could dig it up.
Haven't read about any adverse effects worth noting on liv tudca or forte, but I'm sure there's something we don't know yet. I'll try to find that article for you. I read so damn much its gonna take a while to backtrack lol.
They're not beliefs. Its science. There's what works, and what doesn't. And what you're referring to is andriol and it blows. There's a reason for the begging. Present bad ideas, receive bad response.
AnonDue to the poor bioavailability of Andriol, one would have to take high doses to get good results. It is much more expensive than test-e, etc., but it may not matter to those who earn enough money.
Plan and simple.. its cost big money to get and maintain a big body...
STEROIDS AREN'T CANDY
And the brown things your moms cat leaves in your room are NOT almond rocas, stop eating them!
But they're so goddamn crunchy
a 1 day oral cycle followed by a one day pct? da faq
Ok this is absolutely stupid and I hope you delete this utter shit before some poor dumb bastard thinks this is a cool idea. Every single thing in this post is fucking retarded and you are doing NOTHING BUT DAMAGE. You have a shit liver so you idea is to bombard it with fucking orals!?!? I don't get pissed like this on the boards except for very special occasions. Such as this. Stop doing the dangerous idiotic shit you are doing and NEVER AGAIN ADVISE ANYONE TO FOLLOW YOUR PATH. -1
So your just a pill muncher? Sorry we dont promote/condone oral only cycles.