Second Cycle -- Any advice? Trying to keep it simple
Hello, my first cycle was a simple 500 MG Test E with Mon Thurs 250 mg injections. I did PCT on week 12 (Two weeks after my last injection) which consisted of 40 / 40 / 20 / 20 Nolva and 100 / 100 / 50 / 50 mg Clomid.
I experimented a little and I had Armidex as an AI on hand but did not use it till about week 7 or 8 when I felt like my nipples were getting sensitive. Either way, my estrogen was starting to get high (Past the 90's when I checked bloods) and so I did .25 mg Armidex EOD and during PCT I slowly dropped it to .125 mg EOD.
So for my second cycle I would to increase my Test E dosage to 300 MG twice a week Mon Thurs or 600 MG a week.
I would like to start my AI after week one (Or two injections) and do .25 mg EOD of Armidex. My first cycle I checked my bloods and after two injections my Test was over 2000 (This was on Test E) and my Estrogen or E2 rather was over 90.
My goal would be to check Bloods around week 3 to see if I am crashing my Estrogen too much. What range should I be aiming for with the AI?
My PCT would be the same as my first cycle although I debated about doing a 40 / 40 / 40 /40 nolva.
Is there anything I am missing? I really have no interest in adding other compounds as I believe less is more and I really believe I can add around 20lb of muscle.
I currently weigh about 165 lb, body fat is around 9%, and my height is 5'10. Lifting experience is over a decade and my age is nearly 30 (29 but 30 soon).
If you click my profile you can see a few pictures.
Edit: Forgot to add I was planning to run this for 10 weeks with PCT beginning on week 12. Although would it be better to do 12 weeks and PCT on week 14?
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What is your goal for this cycle? Do you need to stay below a certain weight for any reason?
I wanted to get up to about 180 LBs. Weight isn't really an issue, though I cannot get fat. (Lose my 8 pack)
Your issue here is diet. At your current height and weight you have a long ways to go before you should consider cycling again. You could easily obtain that weight without any gear and not have to risk shutting your natural test down. Build that foundation first and then you can consider a cycle to get you to the next level. AAS is not a shortcut. You need to learn how to eat now if you want to maintain your goal weight after a cycle. Otherwise you will lose it all which looks like what happened after your last cycle.
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I think that if you went into bulk mode with your diet and training you could easily put on some weight natty. I think right now your training is involving to much cardio. I think if you limit your cardio, up your calories and started lifting heavy weight low reps you'll get more dense and pack the weight on. Yes you may gain a little fat, but clearly you have an understanding on how to shed that fat off. I think if you could get to around 180 on your own, then start another cycle, you would be in beast mode. You need to forget about that six pack and low BF for a while and start trying to pack on some mass. I'm not saying to be undisciplined. I'd say that you probably have a very high metabolism and are naturally lean, so you could probably get away with some foods that others couldn't. When you want to start bulking is up to you, but I wouldn't cycle til you are up in weight.
Believe it or not, I do 0 cardio. If I ever do cardio, I do HIIT sprinting. I will do it for maybe 15-20 mins of sprint a light post walk to the next, sprint a light post, walk to the next on the street side walks or in a soccer field.
I think I do have a high metabolism when I started working out senior year of high school I was about 120 LBs. I was a twig. And yes I am 5'10 I have measured myself barefoot.
I didn't really know what I was doing back then (I didn't even take protein powder) but it took me a while but up until about 2010-2011 I only weighed about 145 LB. These past 3 years I have gotten up to 165 LB maybe 162-163 if I am completely starved and used the bathroom.
There you go, sacrifice that 8 pack and deal with the 51/2, lol pack on that mass then start carving it. Maka has a great way of increasing calories without gaining fat. With your metabolism I would be eating everything in sight with minimal cardio, then when the time is right start back up with your HIIT
When you say everything in site, you mean like even unhealthy choices? Or within reason? I generally try to stay within a good diet.
Ironically, when I was a twig in high school all I ever ate was pizza, drank soda, and fries and such. (It was what was served at lunch) Or I went off campus with friends to get fast food (IE Carls Jr) -- I used to eat really bad but I was still a twig, granted that was about 10 years ago.
Within reason, not like twinkies and shit but you could dirty bulk, pizza, fried potatoes, I wouldn't go real high in fats, but carb up
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AnonYour the exact same weight as i was when i done my first cycle.Your nutrition plan looks decent,clearly you have an idea what your doing.@rolltide3 everybody has to start somewhere and looking at his profile pics he has a great base to build on.You will get there bro with hard work and dedication.All the best and good luck.
I'm not putting him down all I'm saying is he has been working out ten years and weights 165 pounds its time t stop eating like a rabbit and start putting down a lot of food
AnonI never said you were sorry if it came across that way it was not my intention.And i pretty much agree with you on the food front.All i was trying to state was when i started out i weighed pretty much the same as him and i have made some good progress over the years and he will get there with dedication.But you are correct my best gains came through force feeding myself as uncomfortable as it was after a while it becomes the norm and chugging down food every 2 hours is doable.all the best.
I agree with what your saying to he's got a great base. He spent so much time trying to be so lean he's proly worried to gain any body fat but he needs to throw that thinking out and bulk.
Damn bro sounds like u need to go to the nutrition sections here. U are very very lean at 165 pounds. My advice don't cycle yet cause u need to figure out the most important thing which is diet. Eat big to get big. U are just setting yourself up for failure with any cycle till u get your diet in check. Why not take six months learn to eat gain some natty weight then do a simple test cycle. Post your diet up we will help ya.
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Non-Training Day Food Plan
Meal 1 – 140 g carbs (24 g fiber, 80 g sugar), 58 g fat, 72 g protein
Smoothie – ½ cup pineapple, ½ cup strawberries, ½ cup blueberries, 1 banana, 1 cup greens, ½ cup oats, 8 oz grape juice, 1 tbsp chia seeds, 4 egg yolks, 40 g whey protein
132 g of carbs (20 g of fiber and 78 g of sugar), 31 g of fat, 65 g protein
Nuts – ½ oz almonds, ½ oz walnuts, ½ oz pecans
7 g carbs (4 g fiber and 2 g sugar), 27 g fat, 7 g protein
Meal 2 – 62 g carbs (12 g fiber, 22 g sugar), 39 g fat, 60 g protein
Sweet potato mix – 200 g of cooked sweet potatoes, 1 tbsp butter, ½ banana
55 g carbs (8 g fiber and 20 g sugar), 12 g fat, 5 g protein
Nuts – same as Meal 1
50 g of protein from food source
Meal 3 – 130 g carbs (14 g fiber, 77 g sugar), 26 g fat, 61 g protein
Smoothie – same as breakfast minus chia seeds and greens
Meal 4 - 62 g carbs (12 g fiber, 22 g sugar), 39 g fat, 60 g protein
Same as Meal 2
Meal 5 – 28 g carbs (8 g fiber, 10 g sugar), 15 g fat, 60 g protein
2 cups mixed vegetables with 1 tbsp butter
50 g protein from food source
Meal 6 – 47 g carbs (9 g fiber, 21 g sugar), 22 g fat, 52 g protein
Smoothie – 12 oz almond milk, 2 tbsp peanut butter, 8-10 ice cubes, 1 banana, 1 cup greens, 40 g whey protein
Day Total: 469 g carbs (79 g fiber, 232 g sugar) 390 g net carbs, 199 g fat, 372 g protein
Training Day Food Plan
Same plan as Non-Training day, except for two things.
Pre-workout will have 8 oz of beet juice. This yields 27 g of carbs (24 g of sugar)
Post-workout smoothie gets substituted for one of the smoothie meals.
Post-workout smoothie: ½ cup of pineapple, ½ cup strawberries, ½ cup cherries, 16 oz cranberry cocktail, 1 banana, 1 ½ scoop of Karbolyn, and 50 g of whey protein.
195 g carbs (10 g fiber, 94 g sugar), 3 g fat, 50 g protein
waltri saw this an wonder if your body has developed some type of insulin resistance since you're not gaining weight...
there is LOT of sugar in your diet, like upwards of 560g a day...that's over a pound of sugar every day..
you may not be seeing results because that is what your body is using for fuel...the sugar..try finding a combo of food that'll work for you, that you enjoy, that have about 430 less grams of sugar a day ;P
I thought the same thing. Thats a ton of fructose. Id drop a lot of that fruit and go for more sweet potatoes, oats and rice.
My sugar is 232 g a day. How did you get 560g?
Your 165 pounds what's up with smoothies and fruits u need meat real protein. Are u vegetarian I don't see any meat?
My meals 2, 4, and 5 usually include meat or eggs. I either eat a rotisseri chicken, a lean red meat like a filet, or eggs. I do rarely eat fish. I do sometimes also eat ribeye which isnt as lean as filet or I do a porterhouse cut.
I abbreviated it as food source.
Now let me ask your last cycle how much weight did u gain and how much u keep. If your wanting to gain weight make meat or chicken a part of your five or six meals then drink two smoothies in between a meal. Don't be worried bout gaining a little fat. I'm just curious as to what your starting point was before your first cycle .
First cycle I was about 158-159. I got up to about 175 LB and post cycle I stayed around 165 LBs. So i gained about 5-6 pounds after PCT. My last cycle was one year ago (11 months to be exact).
Is that a decent gain? I did Test E 500 MG a week for about 9.5 weeks.
No that is not a decent gain. At your size and weight you could have gained that naturally with just a proper diet and not put your body through all the stress of a cycle and risk frying your HPTA for the rest of your life.
So what is a decent gain then?
I just gained almost 8 lbs and dropped 3% BF over the last 3.5 months just by dieting and training alone. I am planning on doubling that with my next cycle.
Wow gain 16 lbs and maintain that post cycle on test e alone? Or you mean by mixing compounds?
My cycle goal is ten but I really have my diet dialed in so I am not going to be surprised to add more.
The nice thing about putting weight on naturally is that you don't have to worry about losing it. Eat properly and will stay with you. That is why you should build as big of a base naturally before cycling.
Test and EQ.
Either way I see what you mean. I could of gained more hmm. Thanks by the way that provides lots of insight.
Mak your right on point on this one plus one