posted Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:36
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help me with pct! And other advice
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I will be running test e 600/wk. I have some adex on hand if needed. I have ran test before and had no estrogen sides so I'm hoping that continues. I've read so much stuff the last couple days about pct that I'm slightly confused. Should I and if so when should I taper with some test prop? Do I need to stack anything with just taking test? Pct I'm guessing should just be asin and nov. Seems to be the go to stuff. Start it 14 days after last pin? Would like to fine tune this, going to start pinning Monday. Thanks for putting up with the newb!
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ZewiAnabolXFirst you need to Understand a Type-II and Type-I aromatase inhibitor.
Type I inhibitors (like Aromasin) are actually steroidal compounds, while Type-II inhibitors (like Letro and A-dex) are non-steroidal drugs. Of course, there are some similarities between the two types of AIs…both type I & type II AIs mimic normal substrates (essentially androgens), allowing them to compete with the substrate for access to the binding site on the aromatase enzyme.
Arimdex binds to Estor but it will let go, thats why it’s a s a type-II aromatase inhibitor(just like letro but letro is 40% more effective in getting rid of estro)—Also a reminder if you are using Adex do not use Nolvadex as Nolvadex will reduce the blood plasma levels of Arimidex, it also does that to Letro also.
Where Aromasin is a Type-I aromastase inhibitor it binds to estor and does not let go. So if your prone to Gyno use Aromasin. Aromasin is about 65% efficient
Also what makes Aromasin so great is Aromasin, also helps out your free to bound testosterone ratio by lowering levels of Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG), by about 20% SHBG is that nasty enzyme that binds to testosterone and renders it useless for building muscle. Because of this it makes Aromasin a great addition to your PCT.
IMO—Aromasin is the best AI to use because it’s a type 1 and its extra benefits, nothing wrong with Adex it has its place. And I do use it in short 8 week cycles for cutting as Adex will Dry you out.
Letro is hard and should only be used if you have signs of gyno not as your AI.
What is Clomid?? Clomid works by blocking estrogen at the pituitary. The pituitary sees less estrogen, and makes more LH. More LH means that the Leydig cells in the testis make more testosterone. (which you need to get back to normal and to have a libido..
What is nolvadex--- Nolvadex works buy blocking estor in the body and the chest area, but it also helps produce LH, and FSH in the testicles.
Very informative. So I could essentially keep my adex on hand for any cycle gyn (which I've never had) but switch to asin for pct for nolva reasons? Correct?
Toremifene and nolva pct each number denotes a mg dose for a week so
Toremifene 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/40/40
This is a 4 week pct
Keep an eye on your estrogen during pct. often this is the time most have a difficult time with estrogen rebound. You may need to run your ai through pct
We need your stats before we can help.
Age
Weight
Body fat
Height
Goals
Cycle history (how many cycles and what compounds u ran)
I Apologize.
30
6'3
245
Bf unknown
I have a decent build I'm just looking to grab some gains n boost some results. That's general but the truth.
I ran test with some deca like 6 years ago, took some advice from a guy. Knew nothing about pct.
ran test for about 6 wks back in '12.
no proper cycle use. Trying to educate myself and learn from proper experienced guys.
Well than sound like you're pretty fresh to it. So here is my advice. Test e or test c run it 12 weeks at 300-400mg a week. Split it in two shots a weeks so it'll be 150-200mg Monday and Thursday. Get two ai's aromasin and arimidex. The reason I say two is. You've never ran a proper cycle you Aren't going to know which ai you respond to best and how you really aromatize test to estrogen. So having two AI's mean if the arimidex isn't the best you have a fall back or vice versa. Also for pct I'd suggest one of two clomid and nolvadex or torrmifene and nolvadex. I'm partial to toremifene and at the top of the pct section there is a sticky for a toremifene pct with nolva and the benefits of it. You will start pct 12 days after last pin of test. Real gains and change start for most on this between 4-6 weeks. Size gains become noticeable around week 8. This doesn't apply to everyone though. No need for stacking or tapering save that for when you get some basic general experience and a feel for each compound. Add only one new compound per cycle. This way you will learn what that new compound does for you. Adding more than one new can be disastrous to a cycle. If something goes wrong you got no idea which of the new compounds is the problem. Keep it simple. Baby steps. When you're fresh you can make amazing gains with very little gear. Start small and stay small with cycles as long as possible. No need to make changes if you're still making progress also with the ai. Don't use it until I need it. Using it before you need it can and probably cause your estrogen to crash. No estrogen=no gains and its a miserable experience wit crashed estrogen. Arimidex is ran typically at .05 EOD or E3D and aromasin is 6.25mg ED but remember only when needed
You think it would be ok to go 600/wk or no?? I had good response my previous test runs. But if I need to start lower I absolutely will. Also I heard using the adex during will help with bloating. .
Adex helps with bloat, so does aro, bloat is from retaining water which is usually associated with high estrogen. No reason to run 600 right now. More is not always better. If you look around here some vets even myself respond better to lower doses. I aromatize easily so the higher the dose the more complications the less gains. Work your way there. I think personally you will be quite satisfied with a good diet and the dose I suggested. Remember first and Foremost this is not just about getting gains. You need to learn your body and become familiar with it and how it reacts to each compound and that reaction can dramatically change for a compound simply by changing the dose. Learn your body
Thanks for the input and knowledge