+ 9 Follow up lab on Brown's at 4iu's Batch# 20130701
IGF was 351 on 3iu's a day. Upped it to 4iu's and IGF tested 383. My baseline was 160. Previously to running the Brown's I ran Rips at 4iu's a day and IGF was 422. In comparison of the two I felt like I held a lot more water with the Brown's. I also had a tremendous amount of swelling in my hands particularly in the morning. Upon waking it was all I could do to make a fist and my finger joints on my left hand ached. Even developed some a trigger finger on my 3rd digit. I also noticed a lot of shoulder joint pain along with pain in my forearm/elbow area....dull ache like a tendonitis. Felt like I was going to tear a bicep every time I did bi's. Not sure what to contribute all the discomfort to other than the increased water retention.
I have since discontinued the Brown's and dropped nearly 12#....not looking as bloated. My forearm/elbow pain has lessened. Hands are no longer swollen but I continue to have a lot of joint pain in my left hand and fingers along with the trigger finger. Its been 2.5 weeks and I hope with time this will resolve.
Just thought I would pass along some of my testing results and experience with the Brown's.
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Hi just to get this clear to stop me worrying as I have 6 x 20130701 batch the results are for this batch and they are gtg ? I've had pretty bad sides so far from first 100iu but read so many mixed reviews !
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+1 for bloods. Pretty solid #s
beyondimportsSeems you need to supplement a little t4 with your gh buddy
I was actually running 50mcg T4 three times a week. Was dosing it conservatively. Think this was my third time checking it my friend. Making dose adjustments after each series of labs
Anon+2 how long after the ramp up was the test taken?
4weeks if not 5. Not at home now. Will dbl check my notes to confirm but I know it was at least 4
AnonMust say its not bad at all. Also taken into consideration your baseline is 160
+1 Thanks for the testing info!
Thanks man. Got this same batch and very happy to see those numbers. +1
jesus i will never take my chances with generic hgh. taking a gamble on every batch. fuck that! gonna stick to getting some real pharma hgh
The more I see results like this, hear of the horrible water and edema issues and completely bunk mass specs on blue tops, I'm leaning toward Pharma only too. It's on a whole other level. All the $$$ used on bad batches, bloods etc. could have been put toward pure, clean HGH. +1 for this always beneficial when guys go out of there way to keep us informed. Thanks.
What your describing I would attribute more to your estradiol levels than anything else. With it at less than <2 pg/ml it's non existant. You need estrogen. That's where your problem is and what is causing "shoulder joint pain along with pain in my forearm/elbow area....dull ache like a tendonitis". It's crashed. By the way how's your libido? Raise your estrogen levels and the majority of your sides will disappear.
Anonhes probably tired as fuck as fuck all the time too
AnonSolid advice as usual, i wish i could +2 some of your comments on blood work because they are well deserved
To tell you the truth I was embarrassed to even post these labs because of the crashed estradiol but thought others might learn from my experience and results with some of the gear I have been running. If you look back at my other lab post you will see that my E2 was well over 300 despite continued AI use. I continued to increase my AI dose and continued to see my E2 levels climb. The initial three bottles of AI I was using was a solution with a very large particulate. Had very little taste to it....first time using products from a peptide source so I had no idea what to expect. I raised my dose with each lab result. So now I'm on the high end of the dose range that has been discussed and suggested in other forums. The next batch of AI I received was a very cloudy solution that had a very fine particulate and had a strong medicinal taste to it...it would settle but would mix easily with agitation. Sooo Im not really sure what was up with the first few bottles of my AI but the Aromasin wasn't dissolved very well into solution so it wasn't effective. Now that I get a good batch and Im on the high end of the dosing....bye bye E2!!
Have been cruising on test now for 4 wks....sides seem to slowly getting better. Will just take it slow and draw a lot of bw to see if I can get a better handle on my E2 control. As always...thanks for your valuable input.
Anondont ever feel embarrassed to post something like this. even if you did mes up an crash your estro you took the initiative to get these test done. Way more memebers need to do bloods.. This is why we do it so we can get help and also help others, If anyone bashed you for it they would be an idiot . Plus the hgh also confused you so you didnt realize your estor was crashed.
I appreciate that. I have run a lot of BW here lately and it's still very difficult to get a handle on things. I've also kept my cycles very simple with test and one other anabolic. There are a lot of other variables to consider as well including potency/consistency with the compounds we put in our bodies not to mention how each of us reacts to these various compounds. I had no idea what low E2 was like, just chalked it up to heavy lifting and old age. I'm floored though when I read reports that a various compound is working because their twinge went away in their big toe yet no labs to verify their claims.
Taking sometime now to cruise on some test to get my E2 back up then if needed slowly work back in an AI along with additional BW.
AnonYes well tjats why we run blood work to tweak things out and make sure what we are running is good. Keep up all the good work brothat
yeah.. estradiol not even measured on test of course his joints hurt lol
The hand ache is pretty normal on hgh. Rips hyges etc. cause my hands to ache a bit. But the joint pain,creaky joints that's from the crashed E2 not the hyges. The water retention I'm not to sure about but in women with low estrogen(menopause) water retention is common. Just throwing that out there gearhead. You want to fix it let your estro rise.
i wouldnt call it hand ache. I've taken 10iu hyges a day and the only thing I feel is numbness/tingly. certainly nothing near the pain of achey joints you get from tanked estrogen.
I have the July batch of green tops and I notice the swelling as well.
BillLumberghnice labs +1
Nice work thanks for the labs! +1
Thx brother for these labs +1
Batch 20130701 appears gtg, maybe slightly under dosed.
While batch 20131001 is fucked up, cn.com should own up to this fact,figure what went wrong (if they haven't already) and try to make sure it never happens again.
The longer this goes on for, the more word is going to spread and the less people will buy Hyges. Fix this shit.
I agree. After the Chinese New Years I am interesed to see what David will do to fix the issues with soe of his batches. He has always been a pretty good dude so I hope he rights the wrongs. Time will tell.