posted Wed, 01/29/2014 - 10:47
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I know Vike and a couple others have posted about using mast as an AI and I am looking to do the same but i have a question in regards to using another AI with it.
At what point do I add in Aromasin or Adex if I need it? Do I wait for the sides of estro to see if the mast is working or not? Or do I add it at a certain point in my cycle?
just want to know how to use the mastE correctly with out crashing my estro or having high estro....
Age:25
Weight: 254
BF%: 12.3%
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I wouldnt count on it alone, I would still use a low dose AI.
If you're trying to gauge what mast can do for you without running an AI, this is too complex. I've been through this protocol with a few guys on here and initially it's about simplicity to see if it works for you. Most have no idea how much test they can run without AI, which should be your goal with an experimental run. My advice to others has been simple test p/ mast p first time out or you've got an accident waiting to happen.
sounds good, i may kick the tren from this one just to get a feel. i thought maybe there was a straight forward answer but after your response and vikings post, it seems like i need to guage my body with a test run and see how i do.
Anything you need I can help with, just drop me a line mate. Been through this with a few now, no disasters as yet ;)
it comes with experience (or regular blood tests) bro and TBH at 25 not sure how much experience you could have running all these compounds... I stated on another post that I'm about 8 wks into cycle (using mast e) with no AI and "felt" sides coming on so I headed it off... The inexperienced guys wait for "itchy nips" which IMO/IME is waiting too long
hmmm would you think running 12.5mg of aromasin every 4-5 days would be a wise place to start and then adjust as needed?
This was the point in the other post... Use your learning curve... At this point you are running a lot of compounds so its difficult to "know" what to feel for... If you don't have itchy nips, a sluggish feeling or a dropped libido then don't fix it. If these symptoms arise start with e3d and make adjustments if necessary... IMO THIS is what cycling really comes down to... knowing how your body reacts and responds (positive and negative)
Thanks for chiming in bro i was just eating and missed this post.... this guy is not ready for this level of stack, look at the mish mash of compounds and hes still pondering over fkn Ai or not.......... running stacks like that with heavy fkn compounds Ai and all the other little things should be WELL taken care of after yearsof self-analysis......... this whole post is a joke im out!
vike, i got this stack from you and zewi. and no disrespect but im not pondering whether or not to use an AI, I will just dont know dosing with Mast in my cycle. Im no vet but I am also not an complete noob, just asking what dosing to use as an AI with this. obvi i could just wait and see what my body says but since you posted this before i was hoping youd help out. I say all this with complete respect to you and the others on here but i would appreciate your help in stead of an upturned nose. if the cycle is wrong, say something and suggest a change
NO WAY!..... i would not jack TNE or anavar into cycle bro. i think you have built that cycle from 2 seperate suggestions.
UGH! No way in fiery HELL would you cosign this bullshit and ZEWI had been banned for throwing up dangerous cookie cutter info... Almost want to BAN him for his own good cuz he's "just not getting it!"
you can see below, vike did suggest the base to this cycle. and it was a while ago so i dont think its fair to bash zewi on it. No worries I am getting it straightened out with V now
Kid mix and match is NOT following suggestions, and as far as zewi is concerned it is no secret that him a a cpl others have shown disregard for the safety and responsibility factors of this board but that was before your time so don't speak of what you know nothing about
There wasn't mixing and matching. The dosages and protocol was laid out by them. I added TNE knowing how I respond to it already. I was around when zewi started getting banned on a daily basis but I would hardly say I know nothing about it. Everything he has said to me prior to this has been backed by articles, other vets and sourced info. Im not saying he is a saint but I do my hw, and that is what i am doing by posting in this forum... researching. Im not trying to argue with you but please don't talk down to me. I followed the info of what I was lead to believe was a good cycle. I haven't started, so there is time to change. the point of this post was to learn and change as needed. I appreciate your input and thoughts but talking down to me like i am some punk 19 year old running tren for my first cycle, only makes me only want to not post on here. I am only asking questions so I can learn and not fuck my body up
Man, you need to walk away. Not only are you about to get yourself shown the door but trying to throw Viking and Zewi under the bus with you is not becoming. Man up and be responsible for YOU and your own words.
I just spent 15mins scouring through his forum posts from june to oct..... i have seen zewis cycle plans and they dont look nothing like whats up top here.. NOWHERE could i find a printed cycle layout from myself.... what i did find was me giving a lot of guidance regarding lowering doses etc...... go take a look then you can see for yourself bro.
There will be nobody throwing me under the bus while H is on my 6 brother...... LOL
I have zero doubt that is the truth. My point was that even attempting to say you guys told him to run a cycle that way is insulting. The fact that he keeps restating it was just making it worse in my eyes.
Like V has said this shit is handled BEFORE you start cycle... Your cycle is a train wreck and if you want to keep dancing woth me and justifying your poor decisions I have am app for that!
the tne was my own add in but way back about a year ago, maybe longer i posted looking for a cutter to do a comp and you and zewi jumped in to help and suggested the tren, mast and testp. Zewi suggested the trene with a.
yeah i remember... using A for the first 4wks like a kicker for the E... thats the theory behind the action..... not all the way through and not as a taper though.
ok see thats where i made up my own cycle i guess. thought it was run the whole way through... i will drop the E now and just stick to the ace. I have mast p so I can switched to that too since im not running another Enan ester now. I appreciate it bro
See mast is a major player in this stack so stick with the 600mg and the provi then "feel your way"... have your Ai "on hand" just in case, run without it and see how you go... i think you should be ok if your provi is the real deal!.. if in doubt get hold of some pharma gear then you know for sure all is good ok.
awesome i will up that mast then and go from there. I appreciate you steering me correctly on this. is it cook to pm you later if something comes up? I have a ton of proviron but tbh i didnt notice anything when i ran it last cycle... my sex drive is high to begin with so i didnt see that change and i didnt notice anything special... is there somethign else thta would clue me if its legit? its a capsule... i can pm you the source and see what you think. I asked the source and he still hasnt replied, just verified the cap color
Funny you say that.. i just had a PM from rustyhooker and we agree PHARMA is the only way to go when we put so much faith into provi to protect us through a hard cycle
send PM when you have details bro please or i will be guessing also.
lol good to know, rusty actually got me turned on to provi for my last stint... any chance you know a domestic pharma providing source, if you do can you pm me?
awesome, thanks dood. I guess your right, it really boils down to my body. I appreciate the help. Ill update this in a cycle log when the time comes so I can keep this updated
just curious, why you are doing test p and tren a then mast e and tren e?
tren a and tren e have different results and combining them produces some insane results... when used correctly. Since I am doing Tren E, I wanted to run another long ester so I am not pinning too much oil at one time. So my pin schedule looks like this:
Sun/Wed: TrenE 200mg/300mg MastE- 2.5 total ML of gear
M/T/TH/F/S: 50mg Testp, 100mg TrenA- 1.5 total ml of gear
ah got ya, that would be a lot of oil lol...was gonna say you should just run testp, trena, mastp and pin ED or EOD
if it helps this is what V just told me
For any basic type cycle i would suggest no more than 300mg mast pr wk and 50mg provi ED
if your cutting stay with mast P......... with a bulk/maintenance cycle go with the E
and why p instead of e for cutting?
Because cutters are short cycles and short esters kick in straight away!.... if you ran E you would be half way through the cycle before you got full benefits of the compound.
Let me add... thats a fkn stupid question from a guy who is running a stack like that listed up top..... you sure you are ready for this level of advancement ??
Im running this 12 weeks, mast will be in effect around 3/4 week. I did it to off set the amoutn of gear getting pinned per day. i know for a cutter to use short esters, thought there might be some different reason for mast p over mast e.... like how tren a is different then tren e when it comes to sides and results (on an individual basis).
prolly since i was already running test p and tren a...assuming it is just easier to keep esters matching...i have to research this more
really that low with mast? And this is my first run with proviron... what should I be expecting. i have been on 50mg ed for about a week and I am not sure that I notice anything.... face hasn't ballooned like it normally does from test but idk... very skeptical cuz my libido (which is high anyway) doesnt seem different.
That low with mast on a NORMAL CYCLE used as an add -on to run in conjunction with provi as the Ai arsenal.
If mast was a big element in a stack it would be 600/800 etc to work in synergy with other compounds to goal.
I WISH TO FUCK PEOPLE WOULD READ MY STUFF PROPERLY INSTEAD OF JUMPING TO FKN CONCLUSIONS............ READ POSTS AND LEARN INSTEAD OF TAKING SECOND-HAND ADVICE.
love your posts but there are other vets giving advice... you'd be easier to contact if i could pm you but that doesnt appear to be an option. Thanks for the help, i will look to lower the mast to 300mg per week
Fine by me bro... just make sure you pick the right ones or you may end up way worse off.
thanks man, im not your typical ill-informed idiot on here so i do take what you say to heart and apply it. if you think i need to change anything else, let me know. Thanks again for the help, i do appreciate it
provi hard tabs? or caps? this has been my first run with provi and i notice an increase in libido for sure
caps.... i pm'd the source to see about why im not noticing anything
hm...not sure bro
How susceptible are you to estrogen sides, and how heavy have you dosed your Ai in the past? I'm currently running 500mg Sust, 300mg Deca, and 400mg Mast E and no Ai or Da. I'm in my 9th week and added the Mast at week 4 because I couldn't dial in my Aromasin dose to stop nipple sensitivity. 12.5mg Aromasin eod was too much and e3d wasn't enough. Since the day after my first pin of the Mast all nip sensitivity went away and I haven't used an Ai since.
I bloat bad but the proviron should handle that. Otherwise i am not super sensative to estro. Normally I run 12.5mg aromasin e3d and am fine. So you think i should hold off until a side shows?