Test E 750mg/wk, Deca 500mg/wk, plus Tbol 50mg/day? Input please
Time for another cycle. I finished my Test E/EQ cycle six weeks ago, and did my post cycle with HCG and Clen. Half way into my post cycle I also started a four week cycle of peptides (IGF-1 LR3, still about two weeks left), 40mcg on workout days. My last cycle of Test/EQ sucked, mainly because I hurt my knee, and stress at work/home (which causes me to not eat :-/), so I never got the full benefit. Now my knee is better, and less stress.
This is my third Deca cycle. Am I good on the mg amounts? Or do I want to go with 400mg/wk on the Deca instead? Also, I never used Tbol before (only Dbol, which never did anything for me, might have been the brand). Is 50mg/day a good amount? I plan on taking it for 30 days, in the beginning of my cycle, to jump-start my weight gains. Is that a good idea?
My stats at this point: 50 yrs. old, 5'-10", 202lbs, about 15% bf.
Please let me know what you think. I'd like to gain 20lbs in the next few months. I'll post some "before" pictures within the next few days.
Thanks guys!
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I'm just gonna restrict my comment to the IGF-1 LR3. I think 40 mcg is a little overkill. I use max 20 for 30 days with 2 weeks off to do a receptor clean-out then start again. Works best on cycle, although I have heard rave reviews from it's use during PCT. I'm a TRT patient so no PCT for me . . .
if you wanna put on 20 lbs swap tbol with dbol, maybe the last dbol you got was under dosed, dbol is great to put on mass..
great advice right there, Tbol leans, Dbol gains.
Either under-dosed, or total bunk. I don't think I can mention suppliers on here, but I used their stuff in the beginning of two different cycles, 50mg/day for 30 days, with zero weight gain! I was super excited about taking it and putting on some weight (been stuck at the same weight for 2 years now). Do you have a good source?
I heard the Tbol doesn't put on as much weight, but it's supposed to stay. Any thoughts on that?
UFO1st off your PCT is pretty much pointless and cant even really be called PCT. Clen for PCT? And also the point of PCT is to let your natural test production recover. If you stopped cycling 6 weeks(not including pct) ago then you are giving your body 0 chance to recover. Might as well just cruise with that type of cycle schedule. And Tbol should be run more like 6 weeks since it takes almost 3 weeks to fully kick.
Is it too late to throw in some Nolvadex to "complete" my PCT?
Thanks UFO. My understanding of PCT is apparently not up to par; I always thought that after you're done with the HCG you'd be good to go again. I'm on TRT, but haven't seen my doctor in a long time. I don't want to lose all my gains by not taking anything. How long do you recommend to be "off"? and if I want to cruise, at what dose?
I've got 35 caps of Tbol, 50mg, how long does it stay in your system? Could I take them every other day?
Thanks again!
@ 50 yrs old and that high bodyfat, seems like a lot of stress on your heart. Why don't you spend some time doing cardio and a clean diet and get in good cardio health and then reevaluate if you wanna run this cycle or not. Also gaining 20 lbs at the age of 50 doesn't seem like the healthiest idea. Maybe get your cardio health straight and then do some test and gh. Or something more simple and heart health minded. I ain't no expert and not trying to come off as a know it all but that's my opinion based on your comment. Good luck and stay healthy as possible my brotha.
I appreciate your concern! I don't really have a gut (I still look like the pics I posted a while back), so I was never concerned about my heart. Having said that, I definitely want to get leaner, but my pride prevents me from dropping below 200lbs :/ According to some other comments, looks like I'll be postponing my cycle for a while, finish my peptides, and figure it out at that point.
Thanks for your input!
I wish you the best. Didn't mean to seem like I was criticizing you. I only said that because I just did the exact same cycle and dosages and I'm 34. And I could feel that my heart was being stressed a bit more. Out of breathe easier, less cardio ability. So, when I saw your age, it was the first thing I thought of. And also considering that you've only had 6 weeks off. I thought best thing would be to get in killer cardio shape in the in between then run your cycle or even maybe a simpler one. Hey, I support you man. Although aint nobody so that don't wt you much. Good luck bro. Keep kicking ass
It's all good bro, I always appreciate the input I get on this forum; and I don't mind any constructive criticism! I might be older than most guys on here, but I'm humble enough to admit that I know way less than most.
I know we're all on here to look out for each other, making sure we don't do anything stupid.
I'll postpone my cycle (still on peptides for two more weeks, cruise on 250mg/wk Test E, and add Nolvadex), do more cardio (you're not the first one telling me that), and eat a little cleaner. So by the time I'll start my cycle, I should be in good shape.
get some anastrazole or aromasin, nolva is better on PCT because it is a weak anti estro and attempts to make you produce more test from your boys so its worthless on a cruise or cycle IMO. If you make the jump to cruise you are better fit using one of those. look in the forums on how to use either one of those serms.
Are you a trt patient and have you heared of "time on = time off"?
Yes, and yes. The problem is, I don't have any gym buddies who know their stuff about cycling, so I always thought 16 weeks on, and 6 weeks off (at cruising with 250mg/week) was the way to go.
Tbol is not for mass gains, Tbol is for strength gains and a good oral for lean mass and to get your strength up before the test kicks in. Also 6 weeks off is not enough time to kick start your boys again. if your cycle was 12 weeks, then its 12 weeks off plus your 30 days of PCT====16 weeks.
Thanks for the info! Crap, that's a long time to be off :( What do you recommend I do during my "off" time so I don't lose all my gains? I've been cruising in the past, since my natural test is way too low.
Also, how quickly am I supposed to see results on the Tbol? I'm a little nervous, because I just read that the source I got mine from sells Tbol that's not working.
Strength increase should be about 5 days, 30mg in the morning and then 30mg at night for about 6 weeks. Half life is 16 hours so you have a decent window. Tbol is kind of like mast, slow but steady gains.
My Tbol comes in capsules, so it'll be a little messy splitting them; makes sense though taking it morning and evening.
Thanks!
Tbol is my favorite oral, mild sides if any, and a great ego booster in the gym. It's still harmful on the liver though so don't abuse it and it will shut you down the same as other androgens. Be safe.
I'm always super careful when it come to orals, and I don't drink, so my liver looks good
Having said that, since I read some bad stuff about the quality of my supplier's Tbol, it might not affect me, or my liver at all. Once I start my cycle I'll find out within 5 days, right? 
don't fuck around and buy some from a better source, you'll know definitely in 5 days at 60mg a day if its crap, your libido alone will tell you how good it is