posted Sat, 11/09/2013 - 15:52
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Third Cycle - Rate/Advise
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Okay, so I've been planning a third cycle which I'll be running in around 16 weeks time..
I've been recommended to run the following:
1-10 test prop 100 mg eod
1-10 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-12 gw-501516 20 mg day
1-10 s4 50 mg day
My only concern is 100mg eod of test prop, is that enough to make good gains?
Cycle history is 2 cycles only.
First one 600-700mg test enan per week
Second cycle 500mg sust and 300mg deca per week
Stats are in profile.
My goal is to add mass with minimal fat.. (Lean bulk) I'm eating clean, and also on hygetropin 5UI ED. To keep fat away.
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RustyhookerI'd not use deca//npp since you know those sides. Lean bulk is always by food....not gear. If you're lean (12% or less) then repeat a simple test e and var cycle. Var at 75 Weeks 8-14.....test 500 1-12. Simple and very effective. My fav lean bulker is test/eq but then you're looking at 18week cycle.
My bf is about 11-12% ( I have abs now.. I'll post new pics soon)
So should I not jump on an 18 week cycle? I can afford it... But I just want to do whatever is the most effective.. And keeping gains of course.
So could I run test p and eq? And keep the test p at 500mg per week?
RustyhookerFood is the dealio. Bulk or cut with same drugs is all kitchen. 3rd cycle your receptors and age are fully in your favor. Bulk can be really as simple as eat n grow.
1-4 prop 150eod
1-12 test e 600/split
13-14 prop taper....150.....100 eod
1-14 provi 25Mg/day
Ai on hand/as needed. Bloods at week 5 will dial in estro and maximize growth.
Pct.....
Clomid 100....100....50...50
Nolva 20....20...10...10
Aromasin 6.25 Ed
If you lift like maniac and eat like a horse this layout should add 15lbs to your size.
Cheers mate, I've just ordered all my stuff for this exact cycle.
Should be here in a few days.
Is there anything I can add in this cycle to make me look more vascular.. Or that aesthetic look? Rather then swollen.
I'm also worried about bloat specially in my face.. How can I keep bloat at minimum? Armidex at .5mg e3d is sufficient?
Anoni will say that i like rustys plan a litftle better than the one you proposed up top
I think it is a bit early to introduce peptides when you are just getting your feet wet with aas... i would grow with juice first for awhile and add compounds along the way and learn slowly what they do for you.. this is a turtle race.. slow and steady wins.. i wont lie to you.. while i know alot about aas, my peptide knowledge is not very deep
You want to add something to that to make you more vascular or aesthetic. Go with anavar 75 mg per day week 5-10
Many thanks, so I'll run the anavar along side everything else but just weeks 5-10
Thanks guys
I really like the looks of that cycle. Will most definitely run that or something very similar.
I'll run an AI throughout as without them I develope gyno sides.. On my last cycle my balls died (deca..) so should I run hcg throughout?
Thanks bro!
RustyhookerIve not yet run deca but heard the nut killer tales. On a cycle like above I've not had shrinkage but having hcg on hand is good safety. 500iu split mon/thur last 6 Weeks up til pct if needed.
Bro, stick with the basics. Why are you trying to play the mad scientist? GW-501516? I would run Test and NPP or Deca again. What's with the short ester bit your proposing anyway? Recommended by whom? Us?
It was recommended by someone from elitefitness.
Okay so maybe I'll give NPP and test p a try! run it for like 12 weeks? What's npp like compared to deca... I didn't like the deca sides and how hard it shuts you down tbh
NPP and Deca are the same product but with NPP you're going to use a higher dose and get the kind of results in 10 weeks that you would see with Deca in 14 weeks. NPP is going to clear your system faster. NPP has a half - life of about 4.5 days and Test p 4.5 days as well. So perfect. Your're just running a different ester of Nandralone - a change in ester is not going to transform the compound and it's sides into something else.
Ok great.. Well is there anything else I could run besides the test other then nandrolone? Or do you think it would be most beneficial for me to use it?
When I run this cycle how long should I run it? 10 or 12 weeks? Also I'm a little confused about test prop compared to other test.. Doesn't it have a higher concentration of test in it? I have doubts that 100mg eod is enough? But if you guys says it's okay then I'm happy to run it.. Just don't want to follow the original cycle when you guys don't recommend it.
Thanks, as always
diet will always be key when it comes to gaining size. on a side note I don't think you should waste your money on GW and s-4. you are already taking gh why do you need all the other crap. me personally would go with test p and npp. good lean gains minimal water weight and with a good diet no fat gain.
Thanks, so what kind of dosage should I be looking at for the test p and NPP?
Like 200mg test p EOD?