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Hello I'm Riley 
my story is 3 years of proper training and a very good diet too, I train at a gym with natural bodybuilders and they have helped me greatly progress. I will compete as a natural next summer as I have never taken any performance enhancement drugs in my life , but my dream has always to be in the Pros and I know without learning about steroid use this dream will never come true for me. I plan to lean as much as I can from now until my 26th birthday which gives me just a little over a year before I will start my very first cycle any advice or stories of your own would be very much appreciated Thanks
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Well welcome and enjoy the site. There is lots of people on here who can help with your questions but be sure to always do your research too.
Hahaha.... bet you have learnt a lot already hey bro especially about the passion our guys carry with them.... dont sweat it bro they are good guys (most of them) lol..... stick around , find your feet and enjoy what eroids delivers ok
I apologize again Viking. I sometimes get carried away when sentences become my trigger. I hope that noone gets offended by what I write because I am trying to be helpful. As an act of contrition, I will now put this carniverous worm inside my ear.
Hello Riley; let me quote what you wrote in your statement
"but my dream has always to be in the Pros and I know without learning about steroid use this dream will never come true for me."
This is how I look at this sentence.
"I want to be pro in less then 6 months and I believe that steroids are the one and only way to achieve this." Guess again. This is the attitude of a lazy loser. Do you think some of the best Pro's in the world HAD to use steroids? Once again think again. You have been training for 3 years and have a good diet. Get some bloodwork done before you start to pin. Look at your total test and free; also take a look at some of the other important factors in that test like fsh, prolactin, thyroid hdl and ldl cholesterol and some others I cant remember. Stop trying to think this sport is a race because it is not; this sport is a marathon.
I am not anti-juice, I am anti-abuse.
Exactly who the fuck do you think you are?! This is not the first time I have seen you spout this nonsense. Your calling this guy out as a "lazy loser" because he stated he is here to learn about aas before he decides to use them or not.
To the OP, Welcome dude!! Sorry your first taste of eroids was this ignorance. I assure you if you are willing to take advice on board there are many knowledgable members more than willing to go out there way to help and guide you.
Who the fuck do you think YOU are? its not ignorance you jackass It's called helping people; if you want to help all the young ones fuck their lives up thats your choice more power to you, I am sick of watching people ruin their fucking lives because they think they know an easy way out. You read what you want I read what i want I read it as another young person looking for acceptance for bad mistakes, He said he wanted to learn because the only way he will ever go pro is by using steroids asshat. If you condone this type of thinking maybe you spout ignorance.
gryg and Bazy shut the bullshit down right now (and YES this was your warning shot!)
Received loud and clear.
I got caught up; my fault. I apologize.
"Sick of watching people ruin their lives" - "acceptance for bad mistakes" Your acting like the OP is talking about shooting tren tomorrow. He stated he is here to LEARN about aas not fucking abuse every compound known to man so he can become Pro. In fact he said below he is willing to spend years researching if that's what he has to do. I'm not condoning anything but that attitude does not spell out to me he is about to "ruin his life" nor suggest he is "a lazy loser". At the VERY least he deserves a chance to listen and take guidance from the Vets here.
Nowhere in my post did I point my finger directly at the op. I said it is the attitude of a loser, not that he was a loser. You guys are bashing me saying I am quick to judge; yet you guys had no problem quickly judging me. See that?
LoL You directly quoted word for word what he said and slammed that as the attitude of a lazy loser!! In my book that is pointing the finger straight at him. If you had no intention of helping or welcoming this member and if you were not pointing the finger at him , exactly what were you doing in here?
BigBmajTalk about reading in to something.
That's not a very warm welcome. I think it sounded very well thought out and realistic. Taking a whole read to research seems to imply great patience.
Welcome to eroids - is what I have to say.
I will quote what he said again
"but my dream has always to be in the Pros and I know without learning about steroid use this dream will never come true for me." This sounds to me that the only way he will ever go pro is by using steroids. Does that sound well thought out to you? I welcomed him and told him some of the things he should do I was not an asshole but I am straight to the point without pussyfooting.
x 2 on this one bro, harsh welcoming.
BigBmajTaking a whole year I meant to say.
Holy shit did we just become best friends??
Riley BanksP.S how did you look at my sentence like I said " I want to be pro in less than 6 months" ? when I said at least 12 months I would spend learning? lol
Riley BanksThank you for your reply
Do you think that many naturals compete and place in a federation that don't drug test? .... I am willing to wait as long as it takes until I learn to use steroids safely , I set a year down as a rough estimate but I will wait longer maybe two years maybe three , maybe I will wait until i'm in my thirty's but I do know I need to learn sooner or later if I want to push myself past my genetic limit and become successful in the pro's .. in a year I will have trained naturally for 4 years with a diet in place, but maybe I will wait and hold it off if you are saying that it is better to train naturally for longer? I don't know? is that what you are saying?? I am not here to race BTW there is plenty of time 
I will be patient if it will benefit my health and cause less problems 
I did not see any of the followup posts so for you I say you have thought it out and depending on where you are going to compete will determine what level you should go. As far as your dreams are concerned you really do not have to use liquid courage to catch them. That's what I meant until the cavalry showed up and bashed me as much as they could. Do whatever you want to do but remember the choices you make now will affect your future.
I really don't think he meant it in the way of " GIVE ME JUICE NOW, MORE JUICE JUICE JUICE JUICE IS THE ANSWER JUICE MAKES PROS!" I think he was just simply stating that he has come to terms with the fact that in order to go pro, gear is a major factor, and he just wants to learn and get some advice from everyone on here (which is why we are all here) before he makes the next step. I just don't want him to be intimidated after asking for help.
Why does everyone think this way? In order to have fun at a party do you have to get stoned and or drunk?
Do you have to take viagra or cialis every time you have sex with your wife or girlfriend? Do you see where I am coming from? I might have read it a little wrong but I never condone any drug use from someone saying they cant fulfill their dreams without liquid courage.
Riley BanksThank you for your reply
yes you are right, I just want to learn as much as I can and until I feel I have a great knowledge and understanding I won't be using anything. I set a year as my " learning time" I guess the learning never ends but I just want to know how to be safe before starting 
Just a quick followup; I have been at the same gym for several years now. I friended a guy after he helped me do some benchpresses. This guy is fucking HUGE and puts some of the guys I see here to shame and he does not compete. I always drilled him about steroid use and he told me he always wanted to try it but decided against it because he wanted to see if he could do it naturally. He is about the same size as Franco Columbu. He told me how he eats, how he trains, what suplements he takes. I learned a valuable lesson from this guy and I still do whenever we workout together. So to wrap it up you can achieve your dreams and go past this "imaginary body plateau" Your body is a magical thing; it adapts to whatever you throw at it.
Riley BanksDo you use steroids?if you do how old were you when you started and how many years had you trained for? I agree with a lot you are saying, people do go on steroids far to early while they could still progress much further if they were patient and put in the hard work..... many of my friends actually are no juice , I don't train with them as I train with natural competitors, many of them started juicing the day they walked into the gym, I'm not my friends tho and I want to work as hard as I can before I use as a " supplement" in my already existing routine...would you say anyone in their 20s is madness?
I was diagnosed with low t at 39 years old and started by doctors orders. i was using the gel and then switched to pinning.
Riley BanksI meant to say , would you say juicing in your 20s is madness?