posted Thu, 10/31/2013 - 05:25
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Which would you guys run?
I'm either doing a
Test Prop 600mgs/week week 1-12
Tren Ace 400mgs/week week 1-12
Anavar 75mgs/day week 6-12
Or
HGH blue tops for 6 months
5iu's/day
IGF-LR3(at weeks 1-5,11-15,21-24)
-80mcgs post-workout-intramusclular.
- first thing in the morning nonworkout days
Humalog(weeks 6-10 & 16-20) WORKOUT DAYS ONLY
8IU's Immediately post-workout.
So really I'm asking what will I have more success with?
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Anxnnymous has gone rouge now... I'm sill curious to know what you decide to do and how it goes for you. I'm guessing by your silence we wasted our time and your going to stack short and long esters with gh and igf and probably two different 17-aas cause your uncle did that too and he's still alive right? Lol
Porky12I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but here's my opinion on the whole matter. People have very strong opinions when it comes to someone else making a decision that they chose not to make (because people like to justify that their decision was the correct one). As you can see, the majority of people on here started taking steroids later than you did - and as you know, it's greatly discouraged to take steroids under the age of 21.
I'm natural (at the moment) so I don't have an emotional/personal reason to be biased one way or another.
I would say, go for it - as long as the following apply:
1) You are happy with your height and acknowledge that by taking AAS you're likely to not grow any taller, and you're clavicle growth is likely to stop (determines shoulder width - continues to grow until about 25).
2) You are fine with the speeding up of male pattern baldness (if you're predisposed to it).
3) You realize that you could run into fertility problems and you could POTENTIALLY become infertile from AAS use.
Having said these things, '2' and '3' aren't side effects that are exclusive to age. '1' is completely exclusive to your age and is probably the biggest factor you've got to think about.
You also have to realize that whatever nihilistic or reckless teenage philosophy you live your life by isn't going to last. Furthermore, any future biological problems that you do encounter (whether related to early AAS usage or not), will make you wonder if it could have been avoided by not taking AAS so early. In other words, anything that goes wrong with you're health, you'll likely attribute to your AAS usage, even if it wasn't the cause.
You know bro, this is one of those threads I keep rereading every time I see a new post. This kid is 162 lbs. For a lot of us, that's one dumbbell in a dumbbell bench press. And his arrogance is limitless. He wants chemicals to do the work for him. Spineless really. He's never gonna be one of the big guys in the gym cuz he doesn't have the balls for it. And he's gonna get sick, real sick and there's nothin any of us can do about it. My E2 is a little high right now - I could actually get teary eyed about this . . .
I think you've already read from the experts that AAS is NOT the route to go down at your age. Your just setting yourself up for a horrible life permanently on TRT and oral medication from an a early age.
Imagine this. Your 23 years old and youve used AAS since being 18-19 and all your friends and guys your age are all hyped up and living young. Going out. Getting women. Having fun. And your stuck jabbing yourself with TRT dosages to keep you NORMAL. You will have to put in your system what your friends create NATURALLY in their bodies. And you will probably have to spend the rest of your life replacing hormones in your body that WOULD and COULD be there if you just waited until your body settled down because your hormones are all over the place anywhere in between 16-21.
Your body is delicate buddy, no matter how hard you feel or how strong and big you might want to be. Your insides are still soft and mushy and if you destroy your natural balance of hormones, you may never get them back. Do you want to deliberately fuck your body up and be waiting in a queue with men in their 50s and older waiting for that burst of youth and rejuvenation when your 19 and could have all that naturally?
Stay away from steroids. Listen to the advice. You'll just end up regretting it.
All his friends are going out partying but he can't make it cause he has to inject himself with his TRT? Lol wtf.
Lol is right
I see what your saying. When you NEED testosterone to be able to function, and at 18-19 I'm not sure about you but I were partying. There is a problem. Just having to inject yourself to feel normal like a heroin addiction. I'd rather produce my own test tbh and enjoy the benefits of a well researched well advised cycle at the right age. Then again, I got told 25+ is a good age to start and I tried now when I'm 23 and I've been fine. But there is a big difference in maturity between 18-19 and 23.
I agree with a good amount of this and think the longrr you can wait the better. In my teens however I got really good results from cycles that people would think are dumb to run normally. My first one at 18 years old was dbol only at 10-25mg per day for probably 4 weeks and I got huge with no real sides to speak of and only tribulus for pct. It was pretty awesome lol. This was a long time ago before the internet sources and you took what you could get.
also....many years and a few cycs later and I am not on hrt.
You would think telling people they'll have to rely on synthetic testosterone the rest of their life just to function normally would stray them away but I've seen it first hand with someone who thinks about it for a second and is like yeah that sounds like a good idea lol had the reverse effect on him and I think the same is gonna go for this guy ESPECIALLY since his own family members are leading by example. This guys a lost cause I think the only thing left to do is either ignore him or be one of the nice guys to help him out since he's gonna do it anyway
Fair and square bro. I agree. Its such a shame because some people have that personality and attitude towards life and I compare it to young guys who go out living dangerously and end up in a body bag. I wouldn't wish that on anyone but at that age you don't respect your body or particularly anyone else. Your told the world is your oyster and you should do things whilst your young but what I learnt is steroids isn't one of them things you should be trying.
I don't understand it though. You have one shot at life and your going to take away the one thing that is important to a man. Testosterone. And replace it with prescription vials of testosterone just to say you gained 100lbs+ of muscle in a lifetime? At what cost. So sad really :(
I've run peptides during my pct and IGFLR3 was great for me and it was like adding the final touches to a masterpiece... it made me more vascular and super hard. I did 40mcg pwo sub q for 3-4 weeks. Nobody can really say shit about the long term effects of the peptides other than igf receptors in the small intestines sucking it up and growing but I've never tried hgh so you're on your on with that bud. I will tell you I got some nice organ growth from it cause I'm fucking 8% bf and when I left my gut hang loose its just like the pro bb'ers with their big ol guts and a six pack lol but if you want to run short esters for 12 weeks why not just jump on long esters and avoid scar tissue from constant pinning among other unwanted issues? I think it just shows you really don't have enough experience and you don't respect the roids and I can tell you from personal experience when you don't respect them they always fuck you in the end and just like the guys are saying you will be selling yourself short. But fuck it who cares it's your body do what you want...
Bro, what I don't understand is why you are willing to compromise being huge and powerful and totally cut short your potential by starting with the chemicals? To be as awesome as you can be requires that you build the mass and the strength and hit the wall with it. Then we start with chemical enhancement. Only then can we truly max out. When I was your age I wanted to be a monster. If you have really done your research then you know that you are making an ENORMOUS SACRIFICE by starting early. If you think I'm wrong about this, do a little more research and then ask yourself do I want to be all that I can be or I just gotta have it NOW, even though it will be LESS. Your gonna do all the training and all the heavy lifting and all the dieting and all the chemistry and it will end up being LESS.
Preciate all the advice and concerned comments, wish I could give all of you +1, you all make good points
UFODude you are obviously hard headed and don't want to and wont listen to shit these guys are saying. But Genetix is 100% right. You are 19 fucking years old, your test is sky high naturally! Well not anymore since you decided to jump on tren at the age of 18, good lord. On top of all this dude, you are 162 goddamn lbs. All this says to me is that you are taking a cowards way out because you don't want to train and eat like a horse naturally. At 5'7" you should easily be able to hit 180 with single digit bf%....you know how you get there? Hard work and dedication to training and eating. Just because your uncle, friend and some dude that got drafted started cycling at 16, does that make it the recommended starting point? Since you say your body reacts soo well to gear, what did your last NATTY test levels you got come back as? Cause you must be getting blood tests right?
What you are doing is dumb and the easy way out. You are going to regret for the rest of your life because you cant get your dick hard without test and pills by age 23. Is it seriously worth having to be on TRT for the rest of your life, possible infertility issues and who knows what else by the time youre in youre mid 20s?? Im harsh like this cause like you said you are going to do it anyway and for other kids to read this crock of shit and think its cool to run tren in your teens is not OK.
I'm not trying to promote the use of AAS to any teenagers or anybody below 24-25yo. Ive only been training for a year(besides sports) and I'm 167 cuz I had a lot to start off at, I said in another comment, I dropped 70lbs and gained 42, I read on the sides and effects AAS could have on someone my age, ive done the research, I was hesitant and I'm very cautious, I have two doctors and a nurse that are stand by for me, I realize your concern and your anger for me not changing my mind, my uncle, my blood uncle, hasn't had any problems health wise and he has abused AAS and hes 20+ years in. Not in ANY way am I trying to promote AAS use at a pre-mature age for it.
BigBmajMan if you have a whole medical entourage, ask them about what you should do.
I've had an uncle that smoked into his 80's and he never got lung cancer. So by your logic, I should smoke because my uncle was fine!?!
I realize you are going to do what you want to do, but most people here are looking out for your best interest and health, as well for others your age. I wish you the best of luck and truly hope you reconsider your path, because life is long and is not worth much without your health.
I'm stating I have had no problems so far doing AAS, someone related has done them on the long run and hasn't had problems, ive taken every precaution and then some about this, people that have these sides down the road are the ones using AAS like Bostin Loud, 20 using around 2-3gs a week constantly. There are so many of kids that are doing this and they are the ones giving steroids a bad reputation, not me, ive taken more ore cautions then I would say 75-80% of ppl on this site. If my health was going bad in any way, id stop immediately. Thank you for your concern vhman.
I give you props for participating in all of this discussion. There has been a lot of good advice and things said here and I hope you will take it, regardless of your path. Again, I do wish you the best of luck and the best of health.
UFOIf you are willing to except that you will have to inject test for the rest of your life to have any sex drive or even motivation, than that is your choice brother. You say you are doing this for a shot at the MLB...what happens when you get doping tests? You realize shit like tren will be detectable for months after last pin? Dude still again on top of all the terrible health issue you could have is your size right now. 162 with 15% BF has no business taking steroids. I GARUNTEE with a serious ass training schedule and diet you can gain 20 lbs naturally in the next year. fuck I bet you can gain that in 6 months. Put the gear down, start PMing some of the gurus on this site, they will be more than happy to help, and train your ass off naturally for the next few years. You will not only avoid all the health risks of running gear at such a young age but also learn serious discipline with trainging and eating. Youll thank me in the long run
His mind is set; he will not be dropping the juice as we can all see from his followup comments. Best to just not bother because he will not listen anyways. The beauty of being a teenager; ignorance is bliss.
UFOTruth...was worth a shot
Btw man, you'd be surprised at how many ppl get tested psoitive for GH or AAS in sports, a lot of them it will go off record and have two or three chances down the road to be clean before anything does go on record
I KNOW I could gain weight fast, like I said I went natural my first bulk for 10 weeks and went from 125-142... thanks for your comments UFO
Thank you Pitt, ill do that then, I think I'm going to run this cycle, see howbmy results are and save money throughout the cycle for HGH and if its good results ill probably combine the GH with it. Thanks for your help
I hate to be the guy who pisses on your parade. But at 19 you have no business doing any of these compounds. I'm sorry man I say this from experience and watching young men ruin their natural hormones and get nasty side effects. Humalog....really? Dangerous stuff man it's one thing to read about it but another to know and pinpoint your weight and IU with the correct timing and dietary intake especially Gl carbs. Advice on success would be have patience and invest your money in food and gym time.
I did see great results naturally when I bulked a year ago without gear... My first bulk was 125lbs-142 in 10 weeks but I did a steroid cycle(I was involved in sports and a lot of athletes nowadays start around 16-17, a dude I played against, recently was drafted #2 overall MLB draft and hes cycles since he was a Junior, my uncle has cycles since he was 17, I have since I was 18 and I personally believe if you cycle at young ages you should ease your way in to each compound and be more cautious, I think its how your body reacts to it, everybody is different, my uncle has used 2g+ a week when he was my age and still kickin', know a few more like him that have done the same) but as you know ill do them either way, if my body couldn't take it then I certainly wouldn't mess with it, my health is first, I am cautious with it, I'm just looking to be a step ahead of others my age, again, in no way if it was making my health diminish would I still do this, my body reacts great to them.
Just remember it's best to build a base first and naturally strengthen ligaments and tendons before you start relying on compounds the rest of your life.
I gotcha, I think I have a good base with my diet and training... I think everythings in check, right now my diet is 50/40/10 and my training has been great. I appreciate your comments genticx
Personally I'd run the AAS first and then run the GH starting in the last couple weeks and bridging you through pct and to next cycle.
I.e.
Week 12-20 HGH
PCT 14-18
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 50/50/10/10
Would I see any effect running it that long?
Also....your age makes gh not as great of an idea. May want to wait 10 years.
I personally would do week 17-25 so your whole pct is taken care of. I hate losing muscle! I like torem also over nolva. IMO.
I wouldn't mind long time results with HGH, like you said its expensive, I'm in the military and cant afford pharm grade GH with IGF and slin....Main point- gaining the most lean muscle mass as I can, I can do pharm grade GH once I become a orthdontists an have the money, so gear it is for now
Well ive done tren before like I said, it was for 14 weeks at 600mgs and I didn't have sides... I gained 42lbs from bulking diet and lost 5lbs afterwards... so I'm big fan of tren lol but you still think I need to wait and just go Test+Var? Could I throw in Deca 400mgs 12 weeks?
Did you take bloods to prove you had no sides? Just because you didn't see any does not mean there wasn't any.
No, I just meant I didn't have cramps, night sweats or acne... my blood pressure could have been high, idk, didn't get it tested while I was on.
There is a very good chance it was bunk then. Almost everyone I hear says they get a side from Tren. Also I did not know you were 19 years old. put the fkn juice away until you are older and the natural test starts to slide. So fucking dumb to be shooting up now when you make the most test. It gets harder and harder to try and help people when they get younger and younger. No patience is a very bad problem. I'm gonna ask if We can open a new forum here called "Under 21 and TRT because I know it all and had no patience" I can't wait to troll that one. Seriously get your diet straight, go to the gym for about an hour a day for 5 days, take some girls out with the money you save from not juicing and get laid. That in itself will be a bigger ego booster then liquid courage.
UFOX2...exactly this.
I appreciate your opinion, I have a 31yo. gf so I don't need a ego booster. But, the tren wasn't bunk, I gained really good weight on it fast, even got small stretch marks, my uncle also doesn't get sides, he gets minor acne on his back like I did for 2 weeks then that was it. But I really do appreciate your opinion, I could easily lie and say I'm 27 but I want everyones honest opinion about my cycle, what to do, and their outlook on my age, I certainly don't know it all, I'm imperfect and I certainly am not looking to come across like I know everything, if I did, I wouldn't ask you guys anything in a forum...
I appreciate you not getting pissed off at what I said but take it to heart. Arnold's favorite was dbol and he didn't start doing it until he was in his late 30's. Sometimes Au Natural is the way to go in your youth. If you need a diet plan or exercise plan to help out minus the juice this site will peak your interest like never before. I'm only trying to help you not insult you.
I don't get mad easily, I understand what you're saying, if I got mad it wouldn't make since, it would be like getting mad at someone for telling a alcoholic he's dying... I have a great diet and workout routine, in the past year ive gone from losing 70lbs, and putting on 47lbs while losing bf in the process, I know I could go naturally and get to my physical goal, but I just want that edge and in my perspective since my body reacts well to it health wise and result wise, why not? My health is first.(PERIOD) If you could have a edge and also maintain your health, wouldn't you do it? Thanks for your comments grygst
Ive done test-12 weeks 600mgs... test and tren, tren 600mgs/week 12 weeks.
I wouldn't be messing with tren yet. Most everyone will advise you against that. I think Anavar is a good choice since you know how you react to test already, but no need to get ahead of yourself. But def gear over HGH as far as gains. Especially for your money.
Gear. But what kind of experience do you have? You probably don't need all that shit at all.