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+ 9 GH: Short-term effects

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This is one of my older articles, but I wanted to post this due to a recent convo regarding hgh.

Now, we all hear or read the comments about how this hormone must be ran for a period of 6 months or more to reap the benefits or see results. Based on my own experiences thus far, I became motivated to further explore the physiological relationships with the hormone. In doing so, I came across various studies and facts that prove this to be untrue. I hope this doesn’t open the door for argumentative conversations with close-minded individuals. Instead, I wanted to share my findings in hopes that these facts would illicit some exploratory conversations on the benefits of GH – both short- and long-term.

My experiences…

Within the first week of my run, I began to notice some subtle changes/differences in myself. Keep in mind that I began the GH as a part of a specific pct experiment to which I will post lab results in due time. What I began to noticed, however, was a drastic elevation in my moods and increase in mental focus, as well as drastic decrease in my levels of stress. You miGHt ask, ‘coincidence?’ I thouGHt that to be a possibility, but I listen to my body when it speaks.

I am a very A-typical personality type. As a result, I tend to be very prone to stress, so this obviously stuck out for me. During my two days off for the first week, I began to REALLY notice a drastic shift towards the stress side of things, and my moods were a bit volatile. After about mid-day of the first day back on the GH, I noticed the stress levels decrease and felt a sort of calming/leveling effect (best way to describe the shift in my stress levels – not to be taken as a feeling of euphoria).

Aside from these psychological aspects, by week 2-3, I began to feel as thouGH my clothes were getting a bit looser. Some of my leaner body parts began to show a bit more vascularity and definition. From all the hype, I expected to experience some bloat or water retention, but I have yet to see any evidence of this in myself. I thouGHt to myself, maybe I’m trippin’. I can’t be leaning up this quick... Then I began getting compliments as others noticed the same differences that I was noticing.

Research Findings…

Naturally, my inner nerd decides to educate myself on the physiology behind these changes. I first began to explore the relationships between GH levels (not secretion) and the stress hormones, which ultimately led me into exploring the relationships between GH and the neurotransmitters. Lastly, I wanted to gain an understanding of the relationship between the hormone and the lipolysis process. Rather than getting technical with this, I will try to summarize the findings and include the reference links at the bottom.

During these studies, serum levels were measured of neurotransmitters and GH. The test subjects included subjects with pituitary GH deficiency and GH hypo- or hypersecretion. In the deficiency group, the subjects were administered exogenous GH. As a result, the focus was to observe the relationships between the serum levels not the secretion of GH. In summary, the findings revealed that a direct relationship exists between GH levels and serotonin levels. As serum GH levels increased in the test subjects, the levels of serotonin also increased. Likewise, as the GH levels declined, so to did the levels of serotonin.

The roles that serotonin plays within the body include mood elevation, suppression of stress hormone cortisol, hunger, and sleep. The need for serotonin production induces hunger pains because the brain depends on glucose to synthesize the neurotransmitter. This is the body’s attempt at supplying glucose.

Serotonin also acts as an antagonist to the stress hormone cortisol. Because the human body is programed to always strive for achieving homeostasis, we see the relationship between the stress hormone, GH, and the neurotransmitter. Cortisol is a catabolic hormone that exhibits decreases in moods, increases in stress levels, and has been shown to be linked to depression. In an attempt to achieve homeostasis, a chain reaction occurs. Cortisol drives GH production in the pituitary. Moderate amounts have been shown to increase GH secretion up to an extent. Excessive amounts – like what is found in clinically depressed individuals – has been shown to decrease and even inhibit the production of GH. Because of the direct relationship between GH and serotonin, the rise in GH simultaneously illicits a rise in serotonin levels. As serotonin levels increase, the antagonistic role it plays against cortisol begins to take over; thereby, suppressing the stress hormone all together. This was observed in the test subjects within a matter of hours, so the fact remains that mood elevation is indeed an acute side effect of GH.

As for the fat reduction, below is a brief excerpt from the study I found on the relationship between GH and lipolysis:

While growth hormone (GH) has long been known as a lipolytic hormone, it has been difficult to study the cellular mechanisms for this effect. Since cultured 3T3-F442A adipocytes have recently proven to be useful to study chronic effects of GH on adipocyte metabolism, we examined the effects of GH on lipolysis. In these cells, GH alone produced a dose-dependent increase in the release of glycerol after 24 to 48 hours. The maximum increase occurred with 10 ng/mL human GH.

The abstract continued in more detail, but I will try to sum it up in a way that is easier to understand. Within the fat cells, GH alone has been shown to have a dose-dependent increase in the breakdown of triglycerides within adipose tissue. This is accomplished by way of hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL), a key lipolytic enzyme.

Excessive macros are stored in adipose tissue as triglycerides. Triglycerides are comprised of 3 fatty acids joined together with a backbone of glycerol. The primary role of HSL is to break the chemical bonds that join the fatty acids and the glycerol molecule. As a result, fatty acids are released into the blood stream to be made available for energy purposes. This process was observed to be dose-dependent with an increase after 24-48 hrs with levels of 10 ng/mL human GH.

Although I would agree that there are some long-term effects/benefits that can only be observed with a more long-term serum level, the facts here prove IMO that some short-term benefits can be expected. Hope this is informational to some and easy to understand.

References:

http://endo.endojournals.org/content/110/2/376.short

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/280/4/E616.long

http://www.springerlink.com/content/a9kbl3wug495nc1w/fulltext.html

noob143's picture

+2 bro. Love the nerd coming out.lol

Doss's picture

Haha. Right on

Gsxr1000spanker's picture

Think I read this the first time but it was great again. Thanks

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Doss's picture

May have. The original one was posted 2+ years ago before I left and had my acct deleted. For me to reclaim ownership of my posts, I had to repost them. I kept the titles the same on most of them, so if you look at the web address, the reposts have a -0 added to it. Delete that and hit enter and you see my original post. lol

(For anyone that's curious and wonders why some of these are posted twice)

UgtaBkdNme's picture

bumped because its a good read.

Doss's picture

Thank you ma'am. My approach with it is more on the therapeutic side than performance enhancement.

GRIMEY's picture

Great thread as usual Doss.

Although Ive never run GH for 6 months+ I think the benefits will be much more prevalent after that period of time. I do however agree there are short term effects.

I think its similar to Test E. Common thinking is that it does not start "working" until 4 or 5 weeks into use. However it is "working" immediately after the first injection, its just the results and effects are not full steam and obvious until 4 or 5 weeks in.

Im 4 weeks in with low dose GH. 2iu/day. In the first week my sleep quality changed drastically and has continued to improve. Im now also experiencing a huge increase in appetite. Im not sure this is a common effect of GH but it is something I am experiencing nonetheless. To top it all of Im just generally feeling really good and not stressed.

Ive not yet noticed the fat burning properties but for how I have been eating lately, I should have gained a lot more BF than I have.

As for hyperplasia my dose is nowhere near high enough for that, nor have I been running it long enough.

Short term effects of GH do exist and Im enjoying them.

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Doss's picture

The benefits of gh go beyond leaning out, so yeah.

Are you really 6% BF

Doss's picture

Calipers aren't 100% reliable and bio electrical impedence devices are even less accurate. Judging by your pics, and I know you're gonna disagree, but I'm banking between 8-10%. Closer to 10. Hydrostatic weighing is the most accurate method.

j223's picture

I can see veins on my abs at 10%

Doss's picture

I spent 3 years towards an education and 5 years in the field as a trainer and consultant. You don't have to trust or believe that but the fact remains that those are the two least accurate methods for body composition testing.

Chinese or pharma?? Well, let's see: it wasn't Chinese generic blue, green, or rainbow colored tops. Nor was it pharma. But neither is what you're running.

Typically, when I'm hitting these forums and posting something on a compound like this, I've not only ran it but I've taken the time to understand the relationships it has with our physiology. That includes referencing case studies that examined those relationships based on a given serum level of the drug. So, regardless of if we're talking pharma or generics, we have to ask ourselves how the two in question compare. Trends in bloodwork gives us data for gauging these comparisons.

If my case study shows a specific outcome with a serum level of 8-10 ng/dl of blood, and my generics are testing out within range, the point is mute whether pharma is better for the outcome. Wouldn't you agree?

Rip freak's picture

Very helpfully, thanks man! Good stuff. What are you taking, if you don't mind me asking?

Doss's picture

Right now:

Tren
Sust (switching back to enanthate this week)
Bold cyp

j223's picture

that's a bad ass cycle doss!

Doss's picture

I'm loving it too bro. Sust just makes me break out too bad, so I'm switching back to single ester.

Rip freak's picture

What about GH?

Doss's picture

Haven't ran it since about march

Rip freak's picture

Ahh! Good read, thanks man. The GH really helps take that edge off the Tren, I don't think I would run Tren again without GH. IMHO.

Rip freak's picture

I really don't sleep that much while running Tren, I may get a couple hours a night but that's it. I seem to be very sensitive to Tren which the GH helps a lot with. I can get a little more sleep like every third night but only if I'm hitting the Tren EOD, but ironically I prefer to not get as much sleep and hit the Tren everyday, to maximize results! I prefer not to take any sleep aids since I workout in the morning, and don't want to be drouzy.

Doss's picture

Good to know. Never ran them together. I get a lil edgy on tren but seem to get used to it after a few weeks or so. Or, maybe it just seems that way. Lol. The edginess doesn't bother me as much as the sleep disruptions do. Don't mind being an asshole at all, but this asshole def needs his sleep. Haha

j223's picture

some people get edgier than others. Doss for example, certainly feels the tren lol. I don't get any of that side effect however which is weird but everyone react different. i also sleep like a baby on tren 8-9 hours a night every single day of cycle

Doss's picture

Lmao. Yeah, I'm def too damn opinionated for my own good. That's for sure.

Rip freak's picture

Lol, I actually started GH (pharma) about midway thru my Tren cycle and I found that before the GH started creeping up on me I was having to back off on the Tren a bit, was getting way to aggressive but after a few weeks I moved it back up and was much more controllable! But still could not help much with the sleep, got a little better but still not enough. Bottom line: GH helped me control and run a higher amount of Tren and I think improved the results of the whole cycle!

j223's picture

sometimes I notice lower dose tren causes more sides than higher. it's weird but going from 100mg eod to 100mg ed sides were cut in half. probably due to everyday dosing

Doss's picture

I agree. Still a bit of a new compound for me but I am able to manage the side effects better with 100 ed compared to 100 eod. I think it's just easier to adapt to the constant level than the fluctuations.

j223's picture

just a little advice slash pointer i'd like to give. If you like the 100mg ed dosing. Try this, 75mg ed and add 150mg tren enanthate 2-3x a week. so for example

monday 150mg tren E/75mg Tren A
tuesday 75mg tren A
wednesday 75mg tren A
thursday 75mg tren A
friday 150mg tren E/75mg tren A
saturday 75mg tren A
sunday 75mg tren A

or 50mg tren ace daily with 150mg tren E 3x a week. the tren E will help keep levels stable during the times between tren acetate injections. I promise you will notice a decrease in sides. If doing 50mg ed and 150 tren E 3x a week it also cuts down on the oil you inject per injection which is nice making it easy to hit spots like triceps, lats, biceps etc

Doss's picture

Abaddon put me on some shit that helps me sleep for real. Go scope his post on trensomnia

Rip freak's picture

Thanks bro!

Doss's picture

Right on brother. Glad it was of good use to you.

Gsxr1000spanker's picture

This is gold mate. +1

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Doss's picture

Thanks homie

Doss's picture

Oh, I can't take full credit brother. This is just my interpretation of my research findings at the time.

Luckily for me, I learned a long time ago to not plagiarize my research papers. Because of the way I go about researching and complilimg the findings, I'm able to retain that info much better than someone that either crunches for a test or for Gods sake copy/pastes for credit.

Case in point: you saw that on FB today. Smile I wrote this article back in January. Didn't even have to reference this or the info src's to give that response.

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Thanks homie

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I actually just broke some shit down for a chick on FB about how carbs play a role is offsetting cortisol levels post work out, and it brought me back to this post. Glucose is used to synthesize serotonin. Serotonin and gh have a direct relationship, meaning the rise of one causes a rise in the other. Cortisol is a stress hormone that is produced during pretty much every catabolic pathway, like breakdown of nutrients for energy during activity or repair. Cortisol, however, drives the production of gh as long as levels are modest. The offset of cortisol begins with glycogen synthesis, which is tne first step of anabolism prior to protein synthesis (tissue repair). Glucose being present aides the production of serotonin, which is further stimulated with the release of gh. Serotonin is what actually suppresses the stress hormone cortisol. This was covered in some of the case studies I referenced for this article. I thought I had included the links here but apparently not...

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