posted Tue, 09/17/2013 - 17:30
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+ 4 IGF-1 Results - Blue Tops from David @ firsthgh.com (buy-kigtropin)
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I ran the Blue Top Generics for the last 3 weeks of the EBC at 10iu\d.
http://www.eroids.com/ebc/summer-ebc-undisputed
The last Blue top injection was Thursday morning, I ran Bloods on Saturday.
I was hoping for higher IGF-1 #s, but.....
Not bad for almost 52! LOL ;-P
Thanks David!
Note-The HGH Serum # is not from the Blue Tops, I stopped them on Thursday.
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Look at any of my tests! They are all full disclosure. I test HGH for a lot of sources. I think I stated that way earlier. This is all community information. Here are other tests I've done and usually it says they provided the gear. This testing was on my dime to show IGF-1 increase from Generics, the whole shit storm came about from me fucking up on the test timing due to travel! And someone deciding to state opinion on my test thread Which I disputed. This person has still not been able to provide any medical studies supporting his opinions, and more than likely never will! But will continue to talk shit!
http://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/rhgh/gorillafits-hgh-test-resul...
Those were from 2012!!!!!! LOL They are much stronger now. 1 year ago hyges weren't as potent
Once again you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Hygetropin.com.cn have been posting approx the same serum levels for more than a year!
You been dabbling in HGH for less than 2 months, all the sudden your a scholar!
Maybe you remember this PM:
im testing for a blue tops naps sent me
lol are you sure about that?
That last post was asking how do I use the privatemdlabs, because I hadn't used that specific company before. What exactly is your point?
You've been using it for years and still don't have a damn clue! Lol You still think 269 on 10iu is good
No that PM from you is specifically what it says: You had never done it before! Never ran HGH Blood tests!
That was less than 2 months ago that you came to me for information. Now 2 months later you have your second HGH test under your belt and still have no clue.
Disprove one statement I've ever made!
And yes at 52yrs old I think 269 is a decent IGF # considering I hadn't injected in 52hrs and every graph and study I have ever seen shows a drop back to preinjection single shots in approx 36hrs. The graphs I showed here show a drop of close to 200 pts in 36 hrs. Which if added to the 269 would put me at 469!!!!!
You cannot show me one piece of evidence that shows any difference in IGF-1 depletion with longer term injections with any other results! Every thing I've seen posted even of Exogenous IGF-1L3 shows an effective life of 24-36 hrs for daily injections!
Lol my tests are not the only means of intaking knowledge. I learn based on multiple things. I have studied quite a bit about growth hormone, recombinant dna biotechnology, and the pharmacokinetics. I also have viewed many tests by many members of this site AND other forums/boards. It doesn't take years of experience to recognize what numbers are good and what number's arent. Clearly blue tops don't give good numbers. I don't need to be on HGH for 2 years to figure that out
Does blue tops HGH have site verification like the rips & hyges? To me so far you have presented the most unbiased view of all even showing the hyges and rips have a good benefit and of course pharma having more but at a greater cost. I definitely like knowing what I am running is doing the minimum of what it should do. That is why I stay with what has more of redundancy verification from site checks to my own blood work.
Lol heck no there is no verification. Blue tops come in a generic white box with no labels and the bottles are plain. No one even knows who makes it, what batch it is and when it was made. There is no website because it is made by unknown companies in china.
Anon+1 brotha
Thanks Bro! I should have more IGF-1 tests coming up soon.
AnonKool. What else will you be testing
Currently, the plan is Blue Tops again with no missing shots.
Vips, Hygetropin.cn Yellow Tops, and Hygetropin.com.cn Greens.
Not necessarily in that order. These will be 10iu\d doses for IGF-1 increase. I think there is a lot of HGH Serum data out there but not much on longer term IGF-1, so, here I go!
I might have to start selling my bodily fluids to pay for these tests though! LOL ;-P
AnonHahahah. Well ill be testing as well. Igf levels intrigue me
Brother If I had free access to blood testing, I would provide so much data on this board it would help to answer so many questions! Why won't Serostim sponsor me? LOL ;-P
Your testing and mine along with others has been our goal for what a year now?
If we can associate Serum increase with IGF-1 increase and get some long term compounded results data it will help everyone make those 5 on 2 off decisions easier. Cause with the 2 off before this test I could have lost all the compounding effect???? I will find out though! LOL ;-P
AnonI wish more people would take 50-75 bucks and there a lil time to test. i mean most people that run hgh spend thousands of dollars on it. Either pharma or generic we should still test. it will give us the knowledge we need to determine if what we are putting in our body is good. To many people put things in there body and dont care what its doing in there.
there is a weak correlation. So high GH serum doesn't necessarily mean high igf
I beg to differ. There is a very strong correlation between actual HGH increase and IGF-1 increase! And I beleive these teste will prove that and hopefully show which HGH is better to increase IGF-1!!!
Let me break it down for you. Many peptides are capable of raising GH serum levels effectively. This is because these GH secretagogues stimulate the pituitary to release gh. Unfortunately there is also a high amount of other unwanted hormones that get released during stimulation (cortisol, prolactin etc) which COUNTER the effects of GH.
Injecting peptides (fake hgh) causes your body to resist many of the beneficial effects of HGH even though there is a huge amount of circulating growth hormone in your system. In other words gh serum can be high but means nothing when your body isn't effectively raising IGF levels.
This is why cheap "generics" like blue tops, red tops, purple tops whatever color generics are capable of raising GH serum but doesn't do any justice because IGF levels remain low.
You are also contradicting your self by saying there is a strong correlation between GH serum and IGF levels because you have shown blue tops can raise GH serum and you are now showing they cannot raise IGF
Break it down for me????? Are you kidding???Your talking shit! And making suppositions without any facts what so ever. Tell me what peptides raise HG serum levels 20 points in 3.5 hours!! Right, you can't! As far as this test there was a 52 hour lag between last shot and testing! Show me any studies that show how long the increase lasts other then single shot injections! If you wanna dispute my findings post facts
http://www.eroids.com/pics/blue-top-hgh-serum-buy-kigtropin.com-gorillaf...
and
http://www.eroids.com/pics/igf-1-results-blue-tops-from-david-firsthgh.c...
There, I posted facts. These are real world results, showing blue tops do not effectively elevate igf levels even though they raise GH serum.
Great Facts! My Bloods, the first showing HGH Serum levels equal to what I have seen for Pharma.
Second test again with a FUCKING 52 hr delay in testing IGF-1 and still at 269 for a 51 yr old male which I still say is great taking the interval into account.
Heres some more facts, single injection IGF-1 increase returns to base line within 36 hrs. This from a Serostim study.
A 51 year old taking 10iu of hgh should be having at least 400-500.
TEN UNITS OF HGH PER DAY
Let me guess this is from A SINGLE INJECTION. Lol Pretty sure the study doesn't measure igf levels after month of being on. That's only after a single injection. This is why we take 20-30 days before getting igf levels tested, BECAUSE THEY ACCUMULATE which means it takes much much longer than 36 hours to decline if you have taken for multiple weeks straight
Let me guess? I said it was a single injection! Your so dopey.
Pretty sure I have seen no studies of 20-30 day injections with multiple hourly results after stopping injection. I asked you if you could provide any.
the peptides combo including some sort of GH secretagogue E.g. GHRP or hexarelin in combination with GHRH (some growth hormone releasing factor) can cause an increase in GH serum.
The duration in which the GH serum levels stay elevated will depend on the GHRH and if it contains DAC or additional amino acids that will reduce the rapidity of metabolic cleavage/clearance.
In other words the GHRP elevates the GH levels and the GHRH that is modified can sustain that release for multiple hours. So yes it is possible for peptides to cause an increase.
That explains why your igf levels were so low. Your Blue tops are either just a combo of peptides, or severely underdosed real HGH. Since your GH serum was elevated, I would suspect the "blue tops" have a combination of GHRP and cjc 1295 with DAC since dac has a long half life that is why your GH serum level was slightly elevated even days after the injection
Gfit - I am not trying to upset you but I feel your are blinded by your own ignorance. I hate to see people waste money thinking they are saving money because it's cheaper. If you TRULY believe in your blue tops, run a IGF test and run 3iu per day for a month and do an injection 3iu the same day as the test. If your levels are significant, then it could possibly be real HGH. If they are anything above 250-300 then your HGH is good.
I'd bet you would see a higher igf level from running 1iu Norditropin per day, I also believe 3iu Hyges will elevate higher as well.
My point is if you need to dose blue tops 10iu per day to get an igf level of 269-300 why not just use 3iu per day hyges and save yourself the money? Or run 1 to 1.5iu pharma and still not spend more money than running 3 kits of blue tops per month
Lets see 1 study that proves this! Some sort of GH sectretagogue.....
Pharma HGH IGF-1 induced levels drop within 36-48 hrs after a single injection. So why wouldn't Bue Tops do the same? You really should read everything!
Do you have any Idea why I run all these tests on every HGH I can get my hands on? Information, plain and simple! I did not need to dose these at 10iu\d, it is the protocol I chose based on Serostim studies so we have real world apples to apples testing on a single individual to limit variables. I have 4 other Brands\tops on the way for additional head to head testing. It is not a waste of my money, it is science and real world information for everyone on this site to make better decisions in their purchases and dosing! And I don't appreciate you trying to make it into anything other than that!
36-48 hours after a single injection a SINGLE injection. You didn't only do a single injection, you injected EVERYDAY for 20 days. lol you I'm starting to think you truly do not understand.
Awesome! Thanks for that. Make sure to do them all after 20 days so we can see a perfect comparison. I bet you ANYTHING pharma for 20 days at 10iu, would shit on 269 igf so badly it would be a massacre
So what is the bioactivity duration of IGF-1 again? Regardless of how long you've been pinning it, its bioactivity would remain the same IMO. Unless it is not being absorbed or utilzed by the body or circulating. In which case what use is it?
Whenever you'd like to pay for the tests and gear I post on this site, open that wallet. Until then don't try to dictate how I provide you with data. Just read it and thank me!
Wow this is horrible but this is the first ive seen of Gorrilafits IGF-1 levels and how he responds HGH. Glad to see you tested IGF-1 instead of serum.
I don't think their "horrible" they are still elevated, but yes I would have expected higher at 10iu\d. Unfortunately I ran out and pulled bloods about 52 hrs after my last Blue Top injection.
I'll be the first to say it, 269 igf on 10iu per day is horrible. 1-2iu brown tops should give you that much.
What I'm trying to say is this test confirms blue tops do not effectively raise igf levels
I'll hold off on this confirming that just yet. Do you have any studies of how long IGF-1 stays elevated after long term injections? I don't know? For a single injection, IGF-1 returns to baseline within 36 hrs or so. I know Serum HGH drops very quickly (within 12 hrs back to baseline). I took my last injection on Thursday morning and drew bloods 2 days (52hrs) later on Saturday. I will be doing more IGF-1 Testing on this and a couple other products in the near future, in order to get a better understanding. Stay tuned!
about 5-8 days before it starts dropping
Data?? or supposition? I need testing not guesses. No offense,
GORILLAFIT needs to be changed to Gorillaguru !!! + 3
Thanks Bro! But I'm just a puppy with this shit! Doctors who study this crap all the time don't have answers to what we want to know. We gotta dig them up ourselves! I want to know so much more and share it. Why should only Rich people live healthy. F-That!
My bad Dr.Gorillafit ! I know you work hard and we greatly respect you for your hard work ! If I were a source I would be knocking at your door !!
No Bad at all Bro! Just don't want to give the idea I know more than I do. LOL ;-P
Sent you a PM when you get a chance. Thanks!
AnonNot bad
+2
Yea, but I always want more! LOL ;-P
I'm gonna test again with no skipped shots at the end. I don't know how quickly the residual\compounded rise in IGF-1 levels last. I only have single injection Pharma HGH tests to go by. I will continue to test until we all know. It's just expensive to do the kind of tests I'd like to run. LOL ;-P
Like HGH Serum pulled every 15 minutes over an hour and a half like 2hrs 45 mins- 4hrs 15 mins post injection, Daily IGF-1, 24 hrs post injection with set dosages for a month...... Man there is so much more I want to know!!!
Well I guess they do make some good color tops, but ill stick with Hyges.price and quality can't be matched by any other generic IMO. +1 for the blood work my dude
Thanks dnell, I prefer Hyge.com.cn myself. I will be testing some more brands in the next few weeks.
Yes sirrrr... Those are the ones I got my dude.the rise my igf levels nice and high
thanks dear Gorillafit to show this test ..useful to know what to expect ..+1
Thanks Mark! let me know how your PCT works out on the HGH.
of course ;)
AnonI was hoping its higher too... will the level lower because of 3days breaking?
Could be, I don't have any data on how fast the IGF-1 normalizes after you stop.
Unfortunately I was out of the Blues on Thurs and didn't wanna pin anything else that would effect the results. :-(
Anon10iu daily?
Yes, 10iu daily.
Anonseems like the Blue aren't No where near as the Browns you've tested
will you ever do a IGF test on Brown tops?