posted Sat, 09/07/2013 - 12:09
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Running two orals together... Gimme some Stories/Experiences
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Guys I am a fan of orals. Especially dbol and drol. I was wondering if anyone out there has some experiences with running two orals simultaneously. What were the two orals? Was it worth it? What were the gains like? How were the sides? Ect. Anyways i would appreciate all feedback and any information on the subject. Thanks.
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obviously running two orals together is not a good idea for multiole reason, not just your liver, I have done it, I have run dbol with anadrol together, they work synergistically together, by running both compounds at a lower dose you can actually tolerate it say, 25mgs of each per day, obviously running it with test, and cycle support and ancillaries, atleast 3 litres of water a day, and no alcohol, drugs or pain killers. while running orals I always run an all in one cycle support product, liv 52 and a ton of high quality milk thistle. did it work? yes was it better than running a higher dose of just one oral? no. it was about the same, so not worth double dipping orals, and this pro hormone shit I read below, your insane!! they fk your liver kidneys and actually everything else way worse than anything else!! most are actually designer steroids wich need no conversion in the body, they are 17aa wich ever way you want look at it and it is going to eat through your liver no matter what!!! don't fk around with them, they aint no joke.
Yeah I know lol. I went through 2 bottles of milk thistle just to be sure on it. And im not that stupid nor insane.Well im not stupid lol. And even though they are 17aa etc the actual benefits you would receive from them are. People just really tend to think otherwise though. Are they better than lets say celltech? Yeah id saya lot of things are but they never can nor will be equal to a real anabolic steroid with the rare exception of superdrol. Never have tried it but id say it would still be more potent that turinabol?
mate, there are many prohormones that are highly anabolic/androgenic, they are precursors of actuall anabolic steroids, you are correct about superdrol, also add in m1t, but there are many take m14add for example, it converts to actuall dianabol in your body, I think at a rate of about %22 on a certain brand, wich would mean if you do your maths and get the dosage correct, you are taking in enough to convert to a good dose of dbol, theres also hdrol, epistane, lmg, ultradrol, then theres the tren range all either are clones of actuall steroids, or precursors, wich is why they are harsher on your system, because they have to convert through you liver and through many other pathways to do so, they are absolutely nothing like celltech! you need to treat these like any other steroids, because that's what they are!! proper ancillaries and pct along side test!! people running ph only cycles have long term health problems and find it very very hard to recover, more so than most injectables!!
Yeah ok wow no offense but I thought you could tell the sarcasm with the celltech thing lol. But I guess there are people that prove otherwise... and they are harsh no doubt never questioning that but in terms of results and benefits I feel they are slim to none.
well take your sarcasm to the off topic section, no room for that on here when peoples health and safety are at stake, remember anyone can read this stuff even kids.
to answer this question, running two orals together severely suppressed my appetite, the only reason i tried it was because i had a short window of opportunity before test so I couldnt run most of the stuff i would have liked.
orals cause me to have to force feed myself as well. was it worth it? would you do it again?
nope
Noted. Thanks bro.
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Well this was purely out of curiosity and to prove a point but I ran at 1 point 9 different compounds of pro hormones lol. Like oral tren dbol etc (I know its not legit or even close and yes I have done other reeeeeal cycles before so dont go attackin me lol. And yes this was stupid thank you) and boy did I grow! Nah not really I actually went from 205 to 220 withoutneven noticing anything. I honestly dont know if it was fat water or muscle. But I have had a friend that has run 50mg of a bombs and dbol together ED and 250mg a week of test.... as their first cycle! Damn crazy I know! Was on liv52 doing daily doses with triple doses of milk thistle lol. He gained 32 pounds and kept about 24 without dieting too much from what he told me or what I saw. Highyl not recommened. Obviously. But he was ok besides he only ran chlomid for a pct at 50mg ED. Was not nearly enough I think that was a hcg situation. He recovered fine no problems but he said that was the longest 2 months of his life. I believe you can run 2 orals at a time but just those 2. Like methyl tren at 300mcg ED with methyl test 500mg ED. Thatll work. Ok seriously dont do that.
O and the point was to prove pro hormones cant give you real results like a real cycle could. I actually found out though from that tren precursor that I am very susceptible to tren sweats and insomnia. Now my question is will that translate to the injectable? That and nandrolone ive always stayed away from but im thinking about running tren. And my liver is fine too. No other sides.
if you are 22 like it says in your profile... i would absolutely NOT run tren oral or oil.
I dont care what your cycle history is. Your pituitary gland has not even fully developed yet. Dont fuck your life up with bad decisions. EaT BiG and WORK HARD is what i recommend for you right now. I know that may not be what you want to hear bro but dont fuck yourself up in the long run because you wanna gain a little bit of muscle right now. Enjoy being the healthiest you are ever gonna be in your entire life. wait 3 or 4 years before you decide to use anything and in that time research the pros AND THE CONS because there is a lot of risk you have to take. Good luck bro hope you make the right choice.
Yeah that oral tren was a joke but the pro hormone wasnt. It equated to 15mg of tren I guess a day so 75 a week? And I didnt get anything but thats a prohormone. And believe it or not before I touched any roids phs etc I actually had 3 blood work tests done. All of them were from 214 to 285 nanograms of test per ml. Thats like a 49 year old male but I was 20... with that being said for ethical reasons my doctor wouldnt do anything so I started doing cycles. My first was test e 250 a week and 50mg of d bol ed for 6 weeks. Great results no sides and gained 20lbs to put me at 200. And right now im 6ft 2 224lbs right now at 13% bf. Im running a higher level of test but im regreting it (500mg a week in 2 injections) only because 250 is plenty for what I need. And thats a higher level of test lol. Also it has eo in it and I officially hate eo. Found out the hard way that my body doesnt like it. Having to run doxycycline everyday in a 100mg cap. I know im young but I actually need it lol. The other things I take are for fun
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im just gonna tell you to be careful bro. i still say no to tren. you dont need it to get big. i would see an endocrinologist if you really have test that low. they will take care of you. good luck brother.
Yeah its not for me man I appreciate it. Atleast for now.
great to hear that man.
I ran dbol (15 mg I think) and tbol (40mg) together for my first steroid cycle. Now granted these doses were a bit on the light side for most. The only side I got was frequent nose bleeds from the tbol (not a blood pressure thing since it was more or less normal)... me and my fathers side of the family get nose bleeds every so often, a day before getting sick for example and I guess from tbol (no other oral/injectable has caused anything similar.Oh, goals (strength related) were achieved and I kept most of the strength gained.
Only two things I regret - not getting a blood test before & after and not using more dbol and var instead of tbol. If I had to do a oral only cycle now I'd do 75mg var (only of the normal orals that has good binding to the AR (well there's methyltren but that's not all that sane) + 75mg dbol. And get a blood test before, every three weeks during, at the and and three months after,
I think that oral only cycles get a much worse rep than they deserve because they are mostly done by the 'haven't lifted for a year gotta get ready for the beach in 2 months' crowd.
Anon98.9% of people don't even care enough to get bloodwork done.. so advise someone to run 2 orals together without monitoring your liver values.. NOPE
Other than the first one which I've already admitted was stupid, I get blood work done both on and of cycle. And for those doing it also monitor your lipids carefully - all steroids will mess with that, not just orals and a heart attack isn't on most peoples wish lists.
I see tons of ppl getting blood work done on this site so i dont agree with that percentage at all. i agree that its the most important thing we can do while cycling aas to understand how it is effecting our body and then allowing us to resolve any know problems. i think you just pulled that number out of you ass tho. not all ppl are idiots. a lot of us have spents months and some years researching these things and understand the importance. dont just assume 98.9% of us are all idiots.
AnonEroids easily has 100k+ users bud.. that would raise my percentage to about 99.2
I do personally, but how many people get monthly bloodwork done WHILE running orals.. which means baselines, bloodwork 3 weeks later, then again in 3 more weeks erc..
how many of those users are actually ACTIVE USERS tho? i hate to think that there are that many ignorant ppl out there. The majority of the ppl that i know that run any aas oils or orals take bloods. I care about my body. its hard to believe that all these ppl wanting to become fit dont care about "true fitness".
I respectively disagree based on what i have experienced but there is no point in arguing over a number. Hopefully someone will read this though and help them make the smart decision to get bloods drawn from now on.
AnonYou guys as a whole have grown - so don't take this as me insulting you.. but do you see the questions the "NEW" users ask? thats the people who are reading these exerts thinking.. "yay, I could totally stack DBOL/WINNY" for no rhyme nor reason.. pay attention to the new users cycles they come up with and figure their "research" might have been them lurking around here. Being a SRC you would shit your pants if you saw the emails I get on a daily basis.. and the amount suggesting doing things that make me wanna cough up my kidneys they're so visually disgusting. The majority of people don't hold their health in hight regards bro.. an oral steroid is nothing worse than swallowing a vitamin C tab to some because they aren't processing what its actually doing to us. This isn't me arguing you, nor hating you.. I never have a problem debating or respectfully going back and forward with someone to get both opinions out there - its what makes this site great.. notice ive come back for each comment
I respect that. I agree that the majority of new users do not comprehend the seriousness of using steroids. Most of these people tend to be very young, ignorant kids that are impatient and think that steroids are miracle drugs. These people should NOT have any business messing around with aas. I also think that there are a good bit of people such as you and I that believe in keeping are body's healthy and stable as possible. You have been around longer than i though and if what you say is true about that many people not caring about what they are doing to there body then that is upsetting to here. I hope for their sake they find some common sense quick. I apologize for the hostility in my earlier comment. I took what you said personally and felt it aimed at myself. I felt you were implying that i was one of these oblivious and heedless people.
this site is a small minority or fraction, of AAS users, i get regular blood work done, i know at least 20 other gym guys who've never. so i agree with muta. is that # completely accurate, maybe not but im guessing its not far from accurate.
sorry to everyone that got negged didnt mean for that to happen bros
whats your cycle history?
1 test cycle 2 years ago 1 dbol cycle 2 years ago 1 drol cycle two years ago. 1 cycle now test and npp
why would you want to run 2 orals for?
well i have read a lot about ppl running two orals in threads ect. so i started this thread to get ppls opinion on if it is worth it. i really like the way the orals can get me through plateaus when i was younger plus the amazing pumps. now i felt like dbol gave me more strength and drol gave me more agression ect. i was wondering if you take both do you get the best of both worlds or is it more dangerous than its worth. SO i started the thread to get more information on the pros and cons to taking 2 orals simultaneously because i am on the fence for my next cycle. i myself am not experienced enough to know and i wanted ppl to tell me that have tried was it worth the risk. The more that ppl comment tho i have found that injury is a concern because your body can only take so much not to mention the sides from both the drugs at once. i think everyone here did a very good job of informing me that it is not the best idea and that the risk outways the reward. i think everyone should not have been neged either. if anyone it should be me. they were all very helpful in making my decision. sorry roid for causing problems
they got negged for not asking for cycle experience.
AnonWhy is it so hard to ask this question? I rarely see this asked at all anymore. All the love affair stories being told don't mean much if the dude is on his second cycle. No harm in asking this to be safe knowing te feedback u give is going to someone prepared to digest the info.
Maybe this is a dumb question... and I don't mean to hijack a thread.. but do any of the orals produced independently contain sulfa/sulpha ?
Just recently found out im allergic to sulfa drugs and i'd like to avoid a batch of crazy hives and a swollen face in addition to all the regular sides.
BigBmajI took a drol and d Bol yesterday before the gym. 25 mg Bol and 50 drol to see what the difference would be. I ended up hurting my back on squats. So now I'm tossing some ibuprofen at my liver. I think 50 mg d Bol gave just as good of a pump but I'm not 100% sure.
Ill try again on chest day to really access the benefit.
be careful bro dont put yourself outta commission. let me know how it goes.
WithdrawlI ran winny and var at the same time. I think I ran about 60mg of each for abot 4 weeks. Liver values ended up in the 50s and 60s so not bad at all. Blood pressure went up a bit and pumps were pretty damn intense. I'd rather just do a higher dose of one to be honest. I don't think I'll use two orals again in the future.
thats the main thing that i am worried about is my blood pressure. it always get a little high when i do dbol or drol. im on the fence about the whole thing. one minute im freaked out by the risks and the next i just wanna see what results i could get. the other day i was decided that i was gonna do it. now yet again im not sure. the risks scare me.
o wait, i did run 2 pro hormones together for 6 weeks along with liv52 when i was younger. had good gains with proper pct. the only bad thing coming off of hormones was the explosion of acne
el super beastoRan drol.and d.bol togeather many years back all turned out good healthy liver.doc.just said glad I keep them short in my cycles do to the fsct.thst skin had a slight yellow tint, but I had just finished um up do he said id be fine.
Jaundice....not good bro
thats a little scary tho thats the start of jaundice. if that starts with me when i do it i will stop and never go back. that would freak me out. glad everything turned out well for you tho.
el super beastoYes.thank you.at the time I was running human grade compounded anadrol.and animal power anadrol.mixed with I know im gonna get ripped for this one 10/10mg.pets pharma d.bol tabs a day.plus my injectables.
ran superdrol + oral tren together. too bad both of the orals were bunk :(
ur lucky both of them were bunk, they did u a favor lol.
BigBmajTechnically, how different would the liver impact be for an Anadrol 100 mg daily vs Anadrol 50 and D Bol 50 daily?
Not sure what the benefit would be to stacking the two. But I'm curious.
Exactly! I saw the dbol 50mg/oxy 50mg injectable and it got me thinking. I am seriously thinking about doing this for my next kicker.
Drol and Dbol have an incredible synergy. I get awesome pumps and focus that is unmatched with 30 mg Dbol, 50 mg drol, 75 mg TNE PWO.
Thats awesome man. i already get incredible pumps when on just one. i am really leaning towards adding a 50/50 dbol/drol kicker to my next cycle.
I started my cycle with 50 mg Dbol and 100 mg TNE PWO, but I got some drol in a promo. I decided to cut back the Dbol and TNE and throw the drol in , and it was totally different. I feel the pump within 2-3 sets of my first lift. I can really focus on the movement like never before. I'm getting an all around better quality workout in. I tried bumping the Dbol and TNE back up once, but it was too much. I got a little shaky and tweaky feeling. 30,50,75 mg is my sweet spot. Make sure you run liver supps though.