Very low testosterone 6months after pct . Blood Work are down please help out guys
hello guys , i'm kris age:22years 80kgs 5'10. I've been working out for about 3years now I did my first cycle after a lot of reserch n in dec 2012 i started a 12week cycle with 4weeks brek n then followed it with PCt This is my First Cycle:-
Test E 250mg Monday & 250 thursday
cudnt find D-bol So usin 5mg Drnabol
10mg week1,20mg,week2-4.
Hav Armidex in hand . if need 0.5 mg evry3 days,If more Gyno then 0.5 eod,still then evryday 0.5mg.
And PCT after 4weeks las jab
Clomid-100/100/50
Nolvadex-50/50/20/20
This Was my 1Cycle Havent used HCG because I couldnt find the Right one. SO the problem...
I did a mistake by not doing my blood work before my first Cycle N thats really a Big Mistake , while Train for 2year i allways felt i was on the low Side of Testosteron so i went ahead n did my 1st cycle without getin the BLOOD WORK.
A month back i didnt my first evr blood work that is 5months after Pct n my Testosterone was
"August Blood work"
Total Test C.L.I.A : 384.77 NG/DL
Which the Doctor said was normal but on the lower side of the TESTOSTERONE,she Asked me to come back after 4 weeks with a new Blood work .So i went to her yesterday with my fresh blood work
September Blood Work
Total T : 285.1 ng/dL
LH(luteinizing hormone) : 5.34 mIU/mL (Bio Referebce Range 1.2-7.8 mIU/mL)
FSH(follicle stomulating hormone) : 1.95 mIU/mL (Bio Referebce Range : 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)
I DIDNT TELL THE DOC I WAS ON A CYCLE CUZ MY MOM WAS COMING WITH ME TO THE DOC
So i went with my Mom whos A nurse so she Pretty much knows Stuff And i cant let my mom find out i did AAS.
So the doc Said i have a very low test , And she Asked me question like how is my Erection , how frequently i'm geting it , whether it's getting hard , how hard and all.
Then She Asked me if my Testicle are small or big the size .the Size of them .
And then She Asked me if i was developing breasts . -
To all of them I said No. i get erection in the early morning bt dosnt last long. Then My testicles are pretty much Big after the Pct.An I dont think i Developed Gyno on cycle or after.
So guys I dont know if i'm a person with low T or whert my Natural Tests havnt been Back to normal. As in span of 1month i reduced 100 ng/dl total testosterone levels N this is serious. the DOC Asked me to do a
final test of
Serum analysis An said after that you cant Start your TRT . So i want to know what should i Do next i have No idea what to do. i Dont wana Do TRT , as I'm guessing my tests are not Back to normal , My i dont know how to Lookout for that as i dont know my Natural T levels :\ Please help out.
Update:
Alright guys just Had a check up with my Doc, She Said The Results from The
Brain MRI Both normal and Brain contrast are Normal & evrything is fine.
And the Semen Analysis is also Normal.
So now she asked me to wait for 2months to Re Do My Tests again, To Check if they are still low.
I asked her why then She said Evrything in your Body is Normal from Head To toe so we have to check and give this sometime to re examin. She said if still low then TRT will be started.
So guys Now that Doc hasnt givin me anything, should i do A Pct?
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Edit
guys just did An normal MRI brain And briain MRI contrast, Dont know what it means the Doc ASked me to take this! REsults on friday, Thank you all , Will keep updating
i second crayons comment you likely had low t before you started ,but you should have done bloodwork first so you can compare results after weeks on cycle -even a 22 year old can have low t - why do you think some couples have a hard time getting pregnant - not the end of the world ,doc should get you on trt and theres no reason mom should find out about aas your an adult .
Thanks Mate
Anonthis is why its advisable to ALWAYS have baseline levels done
:\ my Bad Mate!
http://www.eroids.com/pics/muta-miracle
Check this out man, ran into a similar problem and ran a second pct and my test shot up to almost 600 from 191 in 4 weeks. If you have any questions let me know
will do, but are your levels constant after stopping the Pct ?
AnonIt could also be ur diet
Do you have olive oil and peanuts in ur diet.. Why cuz they have alpha-lioenic acid and lioenic acid which are precursor of Testosterone
Do you eat 1 egg yolk aday? Testosterone derives from Cholesterol. Cholesterol is a steroid
Do you eat healthy or garbage all day
Herbs will help alot Long jack, horny goat weed 60iicarin,and extenze
Or use Clomid and a Ai again but Diet has ALOT to do with TESTOSTERONE
yes i eat clean ! N i eat around 4-5 yolks! n mate ur Right but tht desnt mean i Test levels go now 100 in a months no matter how bad i eat! yup i'm plannin on doing a pct ?
Clomid-100/100/50
Nolvadex-50/50/20/20
wud this is all of it do i need to add armidex? to ?
That second blood test was taken 3 weeks after I stopped my second pct so I would say they are constant
Bro so i want to run a Pct cycle Now i have to take my blood work again in the first week of dec SO what Cycle Sud I Run your Looks Too hard? sud i be running All of them ? Or just clomid/Nolva will do ?
What is your free Testosterone level? So, you are completely off cycle, right? What is that other oral you posted up there? The LH and FSH are with in range. Your FSH appears to be a little on the low side, but it is still in range. Your test levels are low because you either haven't recovered completely, or you had low testosterone to start off with.
Do you have any exemestane on hand? And, how much Clomid and Nolvadex do you have left? And, are you saying you got gynecomastia, while on cycle? Crayon has an idea about what you need to do. PM him, or send him a FR.
Furthermore, you really should have asked your mom to leave the room, so you can talk to the MD in private. You really need to tell your doctor what you are doing because I think from the questions she was asking you she may be able to figure out you are not telling her the truth. You have the right to privacy, if you aren't going to be truthful and standup for yourself, how are you going to function the rest of your life?
I am not coming down on you, or scolding you. I love you bro (no homo), but come on and get real with yourself. I am glad you came to EROIDS this is the best place to be because in all honesty you WILL get better information here than your doctor.
I didnt take the Free Testosterone AS She didnt ask me to do them! Yes i'm completely off cycle since april 2013. Its D-bol but under a diffr trade name n less in power. The the reason i did AAS was i knew i had low test after 2 year sweatin in the gym saw lil progress , Like i said sud have done the prebloods. And No mate i got to exemestane or clomid or nolvadex. i can get them anytime i want as I'm from India I dont need to precipitation to buy stuff i can go to any Medshop n can get them .
Iknow but My moms like evry medical treatment that happens to me from bills to meds to anything heath related my moms Hospitals gona take care of it, So she needs to be there for all the stuff to explain it to her Hospital officials for the Treatment. Its pretty complicated But i'll tell the doc Abt AAS.
I know Bro , ths why asap i got the new I knew if any1s gona help me out this is the place. Thanks mate
okay. keep us updated with that MRI, please? Got some prayers going out for you...
yup dated mate! N yes thank you!
RustyhookerIf your test is low 6mo later then reality is that you have natty low test. Folks with crap pct will still get back to normal by now. Usually loss of mass and hard time emotionally.
Been there....that's why us old farts try to preach.
Keep in close with your endo doctor. Low test naturally occurs. Its just part of life. Get stable thru medical and legal routes. Build your body just like you have with doctors advise. Avoid cycles til body is maxed out.
Will Do that Mate! cheers
Agreed....
2wks after last pin is when you start PCT with test E. You might have had bad PCT products bud.
No, i got legit stuff . that im 100% sure i made sure i get the exact product.
Then it had to have been the 4 wks you waited to run PCT and only running 3 wks of Clomid
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20 standard pct protocall
Sorry mate ths a typo I did Pct for 4weeks, this is the exact Pct i've done.
clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
You started PCT 4 weeks after your last pin? Also you only ran clomid 3 weeks? Is that right or a typo
yes i did pct after 3 weeks n ran clomid for 4 weeks
You must have had bad levels precycle, should have had prebloods but theres nothing you can do about that now. Ask the endoconologist/doctor about running clomid for a short period to help bring up your levels, kind of like an extra PCT, you could even do this through a source here and get nolva/clomid and run it for another 4weeks. And if that doesnt work then ask about using clomid as a TRT. Lots of people are using clomid as trt because they want the possibility of having children, in most cases it proves to have very possitive effects bringing alot of peoples levels to around 800 at 25mg a day. And if not clomid then you could also try HCG
Yes I sud have done My prebloods But i screwd it up. yes I'll ask her to give me Clomid or Hcg . What amount would i have to take if i do it myself? Like for Nolva/clomid And clomid alone. or HCG alone.
Forget what i said about a 4week cycle of clomid an nolva, your levels are pretty low, although this is an effective method at raising your testosterone, it would only raise your levels by a 100 or two. So you would still feel like shit. At your levels you'll need some form of TRT, ask your doctor firstly about clomid and HCG,
hCG i would do this under your doctors supervision because its estrogenic so you would want regular blood tests to make sure its under control. To be honest if your going to TRT start by doing it through your doctor. Even if its with clomid or HCG so you have regular blood tests and its legal
But the general dosages of doing clomid on trt is 25mg a day and for HCG its 500IU's split into two injections per week. Make sure your doctor gives you them to dosages similar to this
So i Have to assume that the cause of this low T 6 months after Pct is because i had Low T to Begin with ? I will Diffenetly ask the Doc Abt Clomid N Hcg To be true I realy dont want a TRT , i mean i'm leaving to the states this january n TRT's Wud need a longer run n i cant Do TRT In states been that expensive. So hopefully some solution wud come up.
An Mate this Dude Beastmode11 says that he recoverd from 191 low t after second cycle to using second time pct and it uped his T to 600. chk this out
http://www.eroids.com/pics/muta-miracle
I cud try this , right ? N Yes if i'll Do TRT i'll Do it with the DOC . N i'll ask abt the dosages too.
Yes your cycle wasn't very suppressive since you only ran two, mildly dosed compounds for a short amount of time, you also ran a proper PCT so your levels must have been low before you started this cycle.
And if you cant TRT at the moment then yeah its definetly worth trying to kickstart your testosterone production similar to how beastmode did, but remember if you had lowT before you cycled, then theres a possibility that there are underlying issues which cant be helped such as certain disorders. But in the meantime if TRT isnt an option i would definitely recommend trying to kickstart your T with clomid, nolva and HCG.
will do That ! Thanks mate
No problem man, if you have any questions PM me