Note: I know this is a GH thread but it was posted here since this section gets far more hits and thus it will reach a larger number of people.

Before you continue reading
This thread IS NOT for:
1) People who think I'm writing this to promote my products. Sadly, some clowns lately who get squashed in every debate resort to this to 'defend' themselves LOL. If you have PMed me before, you know very well that I am fairly knowledgeable about GH and spend tons of time helping you in great detail, whether you are running my products or not.
2) People who can't follow simple rules like no flaming, naming sources or products that inevitably link to a certain source. The MODs have been cleaning enough of your shit this past week, no need for more.

This thread IS for:
Mature people willing to learn something new today and engage in a healthy discussion.

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And now we start...

Ho Lee Fuk! I pinned 10IUs IM 3.5 prior to blood being drawn. Results show a high GH serum level! My GH is legit!
Uhm no guys, there might be Sum Ting Wong.

Short excerpt: (https://www.google.com/patents/US5734024)
Recombinant DNA (rDNA) technology has led to the development of new protein-based drugs that are gaining worldwide regulatory approval. Human growth hormone, human insulin, β- and γ-interferons, and erythropoietin are just a few examples of approved rDNA-derived biopharmaceuticals.

The biological effects, purity, and potency of a drug is governed by the chemical structure of the drug for both traditional drugs and biopharmaceuticals. Standard analytical methodologies used for structural analysis of conventional drugs are, however, inadequate for complete characterization of protein-based products.

Two main reasons for this inadequacy are the large molecular size and conformational flexibility of protein-based drugs. The large molecular size hinders the possibility to detect, for example, replacement or chemical modification of a single amino acid residue or a change in a single glycosylation site. These alterations of the biomolecule structure, however, may lead to subtle changes of the molecule conformation resulting in significant changes in the pharmacological properties of the product.

Additionally, the wrong choice of manufacturing conditions or formulation may lead to improperly folded polypeptide chains which are biologically inactive. Hence, further methodologies capable of analysis of the protein conformation are needed.

So what does this mean?
If possible, it would be MUCH MORE expensive to determine the biological activity of GH in serum. The cheap conventional GH serum determines only the chemical concentration of the molecule. So your readings of high GH serum might be that of: non-bioactive GH, partially bioactive GH, completely bioactive GH.

What about all those mass specs EmPee!!!!!!!
The molecular weight of the studied molecule is studied and is compared to what the ideal weight of a 191aa GH molecule. If the weight is way off, it is certainly not GH. If weight is very close, it could be real GH (experimental errors exist) or it could be that 1 amino acid is replace in the chain, we still cannot know. Plus, molecular weight does not reveal anything about the shape of the polypeptide and how it is folded. Which means, mass spec will not reveal if the polypeptide is bioactive or not.

So the GH serum is completely useless???
Well not necessarily. If you get an in-range or low value, then you can be sure from the start that you have a bunk product.

How do I test then???
Real GH binds to receptors in the liver cells and this results in production of IGF-1. Continuous administration of Exogenous GH will gradually increase IGF-1 levels over time until they quasi-stabilize. This takes few weeks to achieve. Your best bet is to get an IGF-1 test few weeks into your GH cycle. It is better to have had your bloods drawn before starting your product so that you know what your baseline IGF-1 level are (thank you KK9111). Some speculate that the product might contain some form of IGF-1 in addition to non-bioactive GH. One good way would be to get the IGF-1 test few days after the last shot of the product being tested. IGF-1 levels do not drop suddenly so this should be a safe approach.

Unfortunately, it is quite annoying to have to wait several weeks and shell out all those dollars to end up discovering you have been pinning something bunk. But, there is no other way. Unless someone else tries a certain product and goes through this process before you buying it.

My IGF-1 test showed bad results but GH serum was high and I have been getting the sides of GH! How is the GH non-bioactive if I have been getting GH sides?!
First of all, please do not call them GH sides because you most probably have never run real GH. Real GH is very smooth and side-free if you run normal dosages and ramp up as you should. For those who don't, some GH sides might include water retention, some sleepiness. These can simply be imitated by the use of other peptides such as DSIP (Delta sleep-inducing peptide) and ADH (anti-diuretic hormone).

Fuck you Em, what do I buy now!!!
Your safest, but naturally most expensive option, would be Pharma Grade GH. This is the only way you know you have real GH and do not have to bother testing anything. Well unless your source sucks and sells counterfeited pharma.

Second safest option would be to buy a generic that is tested thoroughly by multiple legit members (not clowns who receive free kits and fondle Chinese nuts) using the testing method described above. This is not 100% safe of course because we all know that throughout the years some generics were testing very good and one day they turn into shit. But it is safer than buying a generic randomly. Try to get the same batch tested by someone you trust.

So some generics do work!!
Every now and then, a good generic pops up yes. If you're willing to gamble, go for it. But considering the multi-million dollar equipment needed to manufacture 100% Real GH, I assure you this generic considering its price, is not 100% bioactive GH. It will work but not as good as pharma. And you never know the day when it will turn into shit.

Few last words. Legit pharma GH gives a reading of around 20-35 following the 10IU protocol. Some products such as Rips have given 50+. Since every sane person knows that pharma is better than Rips, this should be a good indicator to you of some shady practices. Another thing, if there are two legit GH products, X gives a reading of 30, Y a reading of 25, this does NOT mean that X is better than Y!

Golden quote by j223:

I've seen serostim and Jintropin give GH serum between 15-28 and those are some of the best GH you can buy. Also something that tests as 13 for one person might be 30 for another guy. So we need to focus a lot of our thoughts on personal experiences!!

That's it for today folks. If any reputable knowledgeable member thinks that a piece of information should be added to this thread, please let me know and I'll consider editing.

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MONSTAR: So....are you saying rips are bad? If not.....well ok what are you saying....im interested

I did not indicate whether they are bad or good. If they pass the HGH Serum + IGF-1 Test, they should be good. When I mentioned Rips, I was referring to a trend I have noticed for a while now. All pharma GH used in studies average between 20-35 on GH serum with the 10IU IM Protocol. How come RIPS (regardless of whether they are good or bad) score 40, 50, and 60? Doesn't this sound a little odd? That was my point only. Thanks for chiming in my man.

j223: Well my yellow Hyges must be real then because I don't have any sides. At 5iu per day. I started at 3.33iu for 3 days, then immediately jumped to 5iu's per day which is what I'm doing every day and have been experiencing no bad sides. The first couple days I took a nap an hour after the shot, but now I do not feel tired or anything.

I never said the sides were the way to judge if GH is real or not. You said you agreed to the post several pages back, so I assume you know that HGH serum followed by IGF-1 is the way to assess your hyges, not sides...
I would also like to thank you, because our continuous debate on these boards pushed me to research more on this matter and write this thread. So thanks buddy.

@snuka2012 & icepirate

Thanks for adding some maturity to this thread. Reminds me that the time I have spent writing this thread is worth it.

@Illiterates who consider half a sentence and pretend they're smart.
I never said GH is side-free. I CLEARLY said side-free if you run normal dosages and ramp up as you should. So get your facts straight, and troll somewhere else please.

Noviceaas: So then here the question, if your blood syrum is high on Growth Syrum and IGF but you are running chinese, then what exactly is happening inside your body if its not real HGH ?

It seems my last point about generics was not clear enough. My apologies. When I said "I assure you this generic considering its price, is not 100% bioactive GH", I mean that either one portion of the GH present is real/bioactive and the other isn't, OR it is all real/bioactive but underdosed. I hope this clears it up champ.

Also, I appreciate you trying to keep things civil in here. Thanks.

@waltr
It is hard to throw in a magical number of weeks. But to be safe, 3+ weeks should be a good time. IGF-1 will start raising from the first few days, but it might be hard to catch that on bloods since there are fluctuations in IGF-1 and it might be hard to judge if the GH did its thing or not. Those fluctuations, relative to the jump in IGF-1 levels that you should see 3+ weeks in, would be negligible.

Let us know how the experiment turns out.

@XvBeast
I know that pharma is faked as well, I don't understand why you insisted on that when I explicitly mentioned it. "Well unless your source sucks and sells counterfeited pharma."

As for the pricing discussion, with all due respect brother, you have no idea about it. If you walked in into a pharmacy anywhere in my region, you would get 100IUs for less than 1k, which in your opinion isn't pharma. Also a member told you he bought 120IUs for 900 off these boards. So to sum it up, your pricing is WAY off. If you have certain sources in mind who sell pharma at steep prices, it does not mean the others who sell at low prices are definitely fake. Shop smarter.

Also brother, considering that the amount of time one should run GH to FULLY realize what it's capable of, I think at your age you still did not have enough time to experience different GH. A few months of that and a few months of another does not qualify you to speak of quality. Not to mention the stacks of AAS you use year round.

But, I want to thank you for chiming in and discussing this in a civilized manner. I don't want everyone here to agree with me or else there won't be any debate. But I want a healthy debate, not flaming, so thanks again.

Gorillafit: I'm so proud of you! You are willing to fuck with alittle girls health so you can get a tiny bit bigger! What a fucking human being!

Thank you for being the biggest flamer by far on this thread. Next time if you have an issue with his personal life, which you have no business interfering with, please FR him and take it to PMs. My thread is not the place for that. Also you missed the first part of my thread which says "This thread IS NOT for: People who think I'm writing this to promote my products". You have been flaming and wrote this at least 3 times replying to random people. So thank you again for being illiterate and a troll/flamer. If you still have a tiny bit of dignity in you, please leave this thread. At least as a sign of respect for the "EXP" tag you're holding.

@KK9111
Thanks for chiming in brother. Your input is always appreciated. I have forgotten to include the baseline IGF-1 point, but I will do so now. Let us know how your experiment goes. Thanks again.

@Muta, nyjuice, pank, and whomever I missed
Thank you for chiming in brothers and I greatly appreciate your input!