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-1 ADVICE on BULK cycle and PCT

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Stats: 6'0" 190lbs 10%< bf
training since high school 7 years, some more serious than others
1st Test E @ 500mg/week 10 weeks, no PCT
2nd Test E @ 500mg/week Deca @ 400mg/week, again not PCT 12 weeks

Diet: I have a hard time putting on body weight, and from this have a very good knowledge of what my body needs to make gains, and my bf % has never in my life been above 10%. For me very high protein intake, high carb intake are imperative to putting on weight. 4-5k cal a day on cycle, 3.5-4 off to maintain. Diet is solid IMO, and not what I need advice on.

It took me nearly 2 months to recover from my last cycle due to no PCT. I understand it's importance, but have a hard time wrapping my mind around all the different drugs to use as everyone says something different then the next person it seems.

My first attempt at a cycle was subpar as my Test was under dosed and seemed rather dirty... I had excessive PIP that left me unable to move at times. Had strength gains, but nothing to write home about. Recovery from this cycle was very quick, and I never noticed any lag in my training even after discontinuing use.

My second cycle.
Had a much better test source and feel like if it wasn't properly dosed, that it was very near properly dosed. My deca came from another source. I made very good strength gains and about 10-15lbs in weight that I kept. My issue with this cycle was that I feel that the deca I took was either fake/underdosed or that I wasn't taking enough, as I don't feel I saw any results from the deca. Again not PCT, but this time about 3 weeks to a month after my training began to suffer somewhat and it took me two months to properly recover.

That is my history.

I had awful sources, I used the silk road to get my products and had no idea a site like eroids even existed. Now I have quite a few things that I have ordered off this site to use all from domesticx.

I got in on his promo and also bought some zyklon products as well.

I have:
Test E
Dbol
Tren A
Deca

I don't really feel comfortable taking the tren at this point, but am open to advice on that. My goal is to break 210-215lbs and I want to run a longer cycle minimum of 12 weeks. I want to set up a cycle log to have it critiqued, but need to get the gaps filled in before I do so thats why I am posting this.

My idea:
Test E 750mg/week 1-12
Dbol 50mg/week 1-4 or 5
Deca-not sure about a good dosage, but know I should be at least at 500mg/week

I would be willing to substitute the deca for the tren, but think it unwise to do both...

PCT is where I need the most help from people who have experience with it. I have read and read but get only mixed answers.

I understand that HCG should be used at the end of the cycle and before PCT is began to jump start the boys. But if I understand correctly it mimics LH, and does not stimulate the HPTA.

I understand that clomid should be used to stimulate the HPTA.

I have seen mixed answers about using nolvadex with deca or tren as they are both 19nor.

Any help is much appreciated, I am far from being incompetent, but as far as PCT goes I have no experience to go on and am looking for advice from people who have that experience to help in my decision making.

Thanks to everyone who can help! I'm looking to start as soon as the weather gets cooler and I have all my PCT items lined up!

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MedDx's picture

Get some labs, first. Then, try a 15 week cycle of the testosterone you have without the trenbolone. Save the trenbolone and run it with test only on another cycle. Run your testosterone at 750-1000mg per week. Run your methandrostenolone at 25mg/day for six weeks. If you want to run the methandrostenolone at 50mg/day, then run it for four weeks. And run some Liv52, or some liver support with the methylated oral. Run the nandrolone for 13 weeks at 500 mg you will need to get some cabergoline and run it at 0.5 mg every three days to a week at the beginning of the cycle and three weeks into PCT. hCG will make your PCT easier. If you decide to run it, administer 250 iu two times per week. Start hCG six to eight weeks toward the end of the cycle. For PCT, use Clomiphene 100/100/100/50/50/50 and Toremifene 120/120/90/90/60/30. Start exemestane (preferred AI) about the third or fourth week of the cycle between 6.25-12.5mg per day. Run exemestane all the way thru to PCT and decrease the dosage to 3.125mg the last two weeks of PCT. Get labs at 7 weeks (mid-cycle) and six weeks after PCT is completed. If your LH and FSH pre-cycle labs are low get back on eroids and start asking some questions. You will probably be okay, though. We will see.

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Trying to put my "Cycle log" together.

You said I could run the dbol at 50mg/4weeks or 25mg/6 weeks. What would be the pros vs cons to that?

"you will need to get some cabergoline and run it at 0.5 mg every three days to a week at the beginning of the cycle and three weeks into PCT."

So from week 1, thru the half way mark of PCT I run the caber?

How many weeks between my last shot and my first week of PCT?

Going to get my blood work done this weekend, if all is good I'll be starting soon.

Thanks!

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Great advice. Thank you! And the last piece you said, "If your LH and FSH pre-cycle labs are low get back on eroids and start asking some questions." Your talking about the ore cycle bloods that I need to get done correct?

Without a doubt the best information I've ever got in regards to PCT I've ever got. Thanks guys!

MedDx's picture

Yes sir, the pre-cycle labs. Please keep in touch. I want to know if and how well you recovered after those two cycles, no PCT, and 24 weeks off. Anytime.

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Absolutely keep you updated. My intention was to create a log, but first I needed to straighten out what I was going to do. Don't have the cash for the blood test this week, but I'll get it done next weekend for sure.

Coconut's picture

Pct should consist of clomid 100mg first 2 weeks 50mg last 2 weeks. Should substitute nolva with torem. Run it at 90mg week one 60mg week 2&3 and 30mg week 4. New to torem so anybody that disagrees with this please chim in. Get prami or caber incase prolactin sides appear since Ur running a 19nor. Also need to get an ai Adex of aromasin. Doses look good on Ur cycle tho and my next cycle is similar to this one. Enjoy. U should also really think about getting blood work done before Ur cycle to see where u stand considering Ur 2 cycles with no pct Ur levels could be fucked. Try and do blood work mid cycle and after pct also to make sure Ur body is getting back to normal.

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Great info man, exactly the feedback I was looking for. Thanks! Any advice on what mg to run the deca? It's dosed at 250mg, so 500 is easy to hit but should I up it a little more? I will get the bloodwork done, I have awhile before I plan to begin.

Coconut's picture

500mg should be fine brotha.

BostonGeorge's picture

Also, you should go check the forms on pct and become familiar with everything. It's all been touched on there and there's alot of good info...I understand your worry about taking alot of things but pct is needed and now that your willing to invest in it you should invest the time in reading the forums about it. You'll gather much more info than just posting the question on here!

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I feel like a have a grasp on what individual drugs used for PCT is for. My issue is with picking the proper PCT to go with the certain compounds that I will be using. As many people tend to argue about what is and isn't right on forums. That's why I wanted some people with experience with these compounds and a successful PCTs for them under their belts to give me advice. Thanks for the advice though! I'll work on getting bloods done ASAP. It's been nearly 6 months since I completed my last cycle however. Again thanks for the advice!!

BostonGeorge's picture

In that case, I like to use nolva and clomid...you can use HCG if you'd like. One problem that I ran into in my own experience on a 19-nor was a little gyno(maybe from the test as well) so in my certain case I wasn't willing to do HCG with gyno. With that being said, I had prami and caber on had to combats the gyno and fix the problem. You should look into those as well since you seem to be interested in 19-nors. Also another to be familiar with is an AI, I personally use aromasin...this is if you start to notice your estrogen flair up at any point during your cycle.

BostonGeorge's picture

Wow okay my friend, the first thing I can recommend is go get blood work done! It's very cheap, easy, confidentional, and it really is the only way to tell what is going on with your body. Having not done a PCT I wouldn't feel comfortable recommending you take a cycle without getting blood work done so you can actually see if you've recovered. Because althought you might think your back to normal, there's no way for you to truly tell. Here is a link I posted to get very cheap and easy bloodwork done...go check it out.

http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/easy-way-to-ge...

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