+ 3 At what prolactin blood level do u experience Prolactin sides ?
Im very progesterone sensitive, im curious to see how many ppl in here experience prolactin sides at low prolactin blood level or in other words the normal range.. one of the most frustrating things , is some one telling ur normal and in the normal range when ur obliviously having sides.
i saw an endo, an "expert" or so i been told he is the best , and he said that around the "normal range" which is 2-18ng/dl , everyone should be fine. kinda of want to see if any of u are like me, or maybe im a special case.
I start experiencing sides as low as 9ng/dl, it starts w/ libido problems for me and if i hit over 18ng/dl i start to see buffy nipples.
as a couch and a body builder, i want to see does everyone starts to feel prolactin sides around the same range, if the normal range doesnt apply to everyone.
so what blood level of prolactin do u start having sides?
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NEED Help been on trt from 47 years old and I am 58 now here are the problems I don't have a sex drive at all anymore. Its been getting worst over the years. I do about 3 cycles a year I am a power lifter. I do keep getting stronger and bigger so why don't my dick work. I just got my blood work back my test 1500 FSH 0.3 LOW 0.9-15.0 LH 0.1 LOW 1.5-9.3 PROLACTIN HIGH 74.0 2.1-17.1 ESTRADIOL HIGH 49.8 0-39.8 MY AST AND ALT ARE HIGH THIS I GET I AM ON A CYCLE AST 70 10-42 ALT 68 10-60. THIS one I don't think nobody is going to know what going on my PC sent me to a Endroconolgist than to a cardiologist for my CK TOTAL 1120 REAL HIGH 22-269. PLEASE HELP I really want to get my sex drive back THANK YOU
If you're seeing dr's then why are you asking us? We'd most likely tell you to go see a dr....
You answered your own question anyway. Estrogen and Prolactin are both high. If you don't know that's a problem then you shouldn't be touching aas.
I have never gotten pinched nipples from anything like I have from HGH or IGF-1LR3. it really sucks I if I go over 2 iu's HGH Ed it looks horrible. It doesn't seem to matter if I take bromo, caber or prami. The prami i took made sick and feel horrible maybe if I got it from another source i wouldn't get these effects? Does anybody have any suggestions?
Last time pulled bloods my prolactin was 7.1 not that high but my progesterone was at 2.2 high could it be from progesterone I know nothing about progesterone.
Right know I'm taking 900 mg test E a week and 25mg aro Ed. I'm going to try taking HGH 2ius eod and igf1 on the off days of HGH. i want to see if some of the sides hgh go down and if it will help with the pinched nipple look. because of these sides I don't want to touch any 19 nors right now.
Try taking your Prami before you go to bed. That way you can avoid the sides by sleeping through them. Why such a high dose of Aro?
Because of the pinched nipples also I seem to convert test to estrogen more so than others I usually go by my body if my joint start to dry out and ache ill skip a day or take a half
Then why not turn the Test down a little bit? Tried Adex or Letro? As far as the joints why not pin low doses of EQ for joint lube. If I'm thinking correctly isn't EQ a DHT? It's not a 19nor so you wouldn't have to worry about that.
Also the HGH you took/take are the generics or actual Pharma?
Thanks for the replies I've tried turning down the test a couple times. May just have to stick with really low HGH doses.
EQ is a testosterone I'm taking a break from it till the end of August. I'm taking brown top hyges gonna probably order a nordi pen from empee to see how that goes I've taking somo in the past but it gave me pinched nipples too about 6 yrs ago but really had no idea what I was doing back then are far as cycles. I have Leto and adex think I'm gonna order prami from the number 1 source the last prami was from a peptide company so who knows felt like I was poisoning myself
I don't want to high jack the thread but I think we have a lot of good info going on here. Hhhmmm. Have you ever looked into Turmeric for the joints? With the pinched nipples is there any kind of knot or anything behind either nipple?
Yeah probably should pull bloods agian then start my own thread.
A little hard knot behind the nipple left one a tad bit bigger about the size of a dime but can't lactate them at all. My joints are fine unless my estrogen crashes that's what I ment if my estro was too low from too much aro I would cut it back.
On a side note the growth has helped my joints tremendously no longer have shoulder pain anymore.
AnonI'll tell you what Tread would tell you.. my bet is its unbound estrogen that hasn't attached to the blood tissue. Would bet on it.
So any recommendations on what I should take or do for this?
Anonif its unbound, you can have "0" estrogen and it will do nothing but make you want to kill yourself
you need to find Raloxifiene and pharma grade Aromasin
Unbound can sometimes take up to 6 months to go away...
edit: I can't wait to read a thread in 2 weeks where people are advising others to use Raloxifiene lol
But would the Aro at that high of dose grab it? Maybe he has a bunk AI?
Anonkilling your estrogen has nothing to do with unbound estrogen
So "bound" hormones are attached to something else like a transport protein such as SHBG and "unbound" hormones circulate freely?
Anonhttp://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/tits-like-bitch
bound means it has attached to the breast tissue.
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I think bloods again would be a good idea. I'd like to see what Vewi, Viking and Cdaddy says but I think Cdaddy is dealing with some issues. Heard he found a baseball in his asshole. Ed was all like let's play ball and it went downhill from there....
MakaveliCD7U basturd u always tell my secrets!!! Lol
On a serious note running blood is an absolute Hc ur body tells the truth and thats really the only way we know what's going on inside our bodies bc side effects can exacerbate at minimal levels just like astronomical levels but it always seems that ppl think everything is going great and the bottom falls out and they find this huge number they think just came up over night....not so has been building since day one but since they weren't sensitive like another person it was the late stage when they discover their numbers are out of whack....bloodwork is the only way to go and very much a neglected key element in our cycles..... It helps u to learn and get to know ur body just like Tread said it helps u road map ur progress and failures
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Something that should be kept in mind, a theory about using caber has been proposed...
There may be a "rebound " effect, so make sure you taper.
It makes sense that one should expect a "rebound" aka body's struggle for homeostasis, with any compound that artificially mimics or tricks hormones. (to an extent) and amongst other factors not explored.
I wish I had access to blood labs in the state I live in but unfortunately do not. I've never experienced any prolactin sides from running tren ace at a high dose for extended periods without using caber so I'm curious what my levels were at.
MakaveliCD7Prolactin is a peptide hormone of 199 amino acids that is similar in structure to growth hormone. Prolactin is produced in the anterior pituitary in cells called lactotropes. Prolactin is secreted in an episodic fashion throughout the day. Its secretion is inhibited by dopamine and stimulated by estrogen, stress, TRH, and other factors such as suckling and nipple manipulation. Prolactin acts through prolactin receptors present on the surface of cells. In the human, these receptors are stimulated by GH and prolactin with equal potency. Prolactin initiates and maintains lactation in the estrogen primed breast. Prolactin is not a growth factor in breast tissue which is why it is necessary for breast tissue to be primed by the growth promoting action of estrogen in order for prolactin to exert its effects. Even so, lactation is prevented in the presence of high levels of estrogen and progesterone, such as those that exist in pregnancy, and lactation only proceeds with a drop in estrogen/progesterone levels post delivery. Prolactin inhibits gonadotropin secretion and therefore suppresses the hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis and the production of testosterone.
Muta is on target with the negative feedback and the mere fact that males have no need for prolactin....so even in range u can become effected depending just how sensitive ur body is to those levels.... I most definitely begin sides at 10 after a bit of years at bloodwork and wrestling with using Deca and watching my levels rise.... The part that greatly sucks is at one point when I was about 23 I actually had lactating nipples....yes.... I could actually milk my nipples and talk about tender and freaked out.... I went to a general surgeon bc I had no idea what the hell was going on... I had a two swollen masses behind my nipples and on top of that I was lactating and thought it was cancer or something.... I was barely in college at that time and had zero medical knowledge....my doctor took a look at me drew my blood and said get off the steroids.... Of course I did for a little while but it forced me to research what was going on....the doctor came back with my bloods and my prolactin was 26....now funny thing I dont remember having a big libido or erectile problem but I'm sure I went limp lol....Its like Muta said that ur body has its set of feedback loops that ensures regulation and homeostasis which is ur body's perfect harmonious balance which varies from person to person.... Now I'm sensitive to prolactin at 10ng/dl I get sides and it just gets worse from there as it rises....the must for caber is without question but I cannot just use a minimal dose either... I have to use 0.5 three times a week to stay normal so I tend personally to stay away from 19 nors except using shorter esters like tren ace or NPP and I only use them once a year if at all...the worst part of this is even though u stop the compound once ur prolactin is elevated it just doesn't drop with the half life of ur compound....whether u use deca or tren short or long ur levels will remain even after those levels disappear....so caber, prami is a must to combat or ur stuck until ur body returns to homeostasis which pending how long can be a bitch.... Just make sure u know ur compounds and have ur combat meds on board for cycle and PCT.... Dont end up like me milking ur nipples Lol
If we hang out here long enough we will all have a phd. Thanks xv for posting this and thanks Muta and Cd7 for the wisdom. I am going to run NPP, how does lithe short ester change things when I comes to prolactin? Also is there any "pre-side effect side effects"to watch out for? Lastly does caber have any nasty side effects to watch out for?
MakaveliCD7The ester is about a 4 day life and after that the plasma concentration drops significantmy by day 5 to almost nothing.... Using NPP over Deca is wise bc u prolong the side effects a bit longer than the long estered Deca but eventually ur levels will climb as u continue to inject... The advantage is that when u drop the NPP the levels are gone by the end of day 5 so if u notice the side effects and cannot relieve them u just drop the compound as opposed to Deca which has a 21 day life....it's about the same with tren except ace will clear out in 4 days and tren e will last about 11.... so in laymens term u still high on the ladder with 14 days with side effects and rising prolactin level... 2 week's is a long ass time to hang with side effects... The best piece of advice I can give u is use caber or prami on cycle to battle this most definitely use it PCT to combat rebound but leave nolvadex out of the picture completely....19 nors and nolvadex do not go together at all.... Be safe and medicate so ur not sorry brother....on the sides one of the first is puffy nipples I experience blot sore and swollen with knots behind the nipples like estro gyno but puffy and sensitive nipples....then they exacerbate to more discomfort and soon lactate if not treated..... Ur libido will start to go with first ur erections going limp right after u start sex and eventually it becomes a wet noodle and u loose ur desire for sex all together pending on age is a factor as well
One more thing...remember everyone is different SI they may experience sides differently from me or u.... It's really all about u and ur body's response bc it's always individual it seems
Kinda surprised with all of the different mixes sources come up with nowa days no one has tried making nandrolone enanthate.. it'd be more convenient than deca
MakaveliCD7I agree and it's all about brewing too....im sure mad scientist will try it sooner or later but for me it's NPP or Tren ace but Viking has an experiment coming up that few of us vets have volunteered to run trial using deca and other aromatizing wet compounds with proviron and masteron e to see if the estrogen sides can be significantly reduced making AIs not so necessary during cycles.... Of course we will be using caber or prami bc of the prolactin issues that come with deca....keep ur eye out we are supposed to start in Nov
sounds really interesting.. I was prlly just going to run some npp fall or winter..
COUGHCOUGH muta should try making nandro E COUGHCOUGH =P
I'm going to try to go it without ai. Gonna do test p 200 eod NPP 100 eod mast e 600 per wk split proviron 40 per day drol 50 per day 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for 12 weeks. Start caber at .25 twice a week to start increase to .5 if necessary.
MakaveliCD7Put mast e with it at 300mg and see how that works with its anti e properties with that proviron but just make damn sure u run a Aromasin PCT bc u will rebound bad with estrogen
On TRT so no pct but I have both aromasin and adex on hand and also have prami, nolva, and Clomid. On my TRT dose I have been taking .25 adex e4d just in case. Now do you think dropping it once the mast and proviron kick in might cause some rebound while I'm starting this cycle?
MakaveliCD7No bc theoretically the way proviron attaches to the estro enzyme blocks the conversion and it's effects on SHBG to create more free test with the anti e properties of mast e with drying should synergistically work to stop estro but the problem I hypothesize is the rebound when u stop the two compounds bc when u return to TRT ur test level returns to therapeutic maintenance but ur estrogen will naturally try to rebound bc of its suppression as anything else would so o think it would warrant a mild PCT to ensure protection from that rebound.... I could be wrong but the pathophysiology is telling me different with our feedback loops
So I will have to do some kind of pseudo pct at the end of this cycle. I have complicated things a little I guess. So I suppose all the guys in this experiment will have the same issue? Sorry for hijacking this thread Xv. Seems sometimes answers make more questions!
MakaveliCD7Zewi and I have tossed this back and forth in our private discussions and we both agree there is definitely a high chance of rebound as the same in theory running adex on cycle and then hitting PCT without aromasin bc the aromasin is a suicide and hangs on to the estro enzyme but the adex binds but not permanently it lets go causing rebound.... Like I said this is theoretical bc no one but Viking has run the experiment so we will definitely find out but to play the safe side of the field I would have aromasin in ur PCT just to ensure no rebound.... If u think about it logically what's it going to hurt?
Thanks Cd! I love these conversations, I have learned more today than I have in a long time. This is the info that needs to get out here, not quibbling over karma and other petty shit. I am going post picks of the gear and put up a cycle plan over the next couple of days. I will keep you and Zewi updated by pm if you guys are interested!
MakaveliCD7Absolutely brother!!! I enjoy it as well and u hit me up and def keep us posted
Show off! Lol. Seriously though, great post. Read it 3 times so I don't miss anything.
VewiHigh 5 and a +1 cause thats just good info right there
I give you the motivational "good game" slap on the ass with a +1. That ass slap was 100% no homo!;)
AnonThe thing is erectile problems at the age of a college student vs a 40 yr old also may be very different. I wonder if in fact erectile problems are more like the canary in the coal mine as an early warning to lactating nipples . I guess what Im saying is at an early age libido might not be the best measure for detecting high prolactin, the youth may just over ride that and you dont notice till the milk starts flowing.
MakaveliCD7I definitely agree with u on that....age definitely a factor unless ur Viking of course!!!
Yup I ran some pretty dumb cycles when I was younger with 0 erectile problems and I too eventually began to lactate and still no problems
Now this is the type of discussion that gets my juices flowing. Hope the masters chime in to take us to school! Tread, Vike, cd7, Vewi, this is your moment!
Are you getting your thyroid tested as well when testing your prolactin lvls? thyroids suppression from some gear can enhance the sides of prolactin in my experience even when using caber
AnonAt any point your prolactin is out of "range," your body is then instituting its negative feedback system - trying to figure out whats going on, and in turn, normal functions may be slightly different hence, you're dick. Theres no number to say that at 14ng/dl you're going to have a limp dick and at 12, you aren't. The numbers are designed to show a equilibrium/stage of homeostasis for which our body best functions.
much like anything.. we are altering our bodies natural state with the drugs we ingest and inject into our body. IN this sense, everything is related and we begin to see correlation between estrogen, progesterone etc. Where too much estrogen relates to prolactin issues etc. One of the first things I learned years back with basic study of biosynthesis was: the male body has no need for prolactin. Even if we drop unreasonably low, we are not doing our physiological body - harm.
The medical system always confuses me , what ur saying is true but I'm really confused as to why they have a range for this
Because there's not a perfect number that applies to everyone. There's a slight variance amongst us all so they established a range instead
Anonhaha plus 1 for the wisdom, but Im balancing that out with a minus 1 for the colors . Think of it as a homeostasis of points ;)