Test E and Mast P cycle, want to add an oral! any advice?
In January I will start my third cycle, it will be my first time incorporating orals. I am 22, 5'7" or 170cm, and weigh 71kg or around 156 pounds. I have tried Test E, Test P, and Mast P with HCG, Aromasin, Clomid, and Nolva.
My goals this time is to lean bulk. I want to hit 75kg of pure muscle. I do strength training mostly, focusing on deads, bench, and squats. the rest are just regular to exhaustion workouts with higher rep ranges and lower weight.
So my Cycle will look something like this:
Test E- weeks 1-12 @ 500mg a week
Mast P- Weeks 2-12 @ 100mg EoD
and an oral. Either Tbol, or Anavar. I was planning to do dbol, since i got a cycles worth laying around but, XVbeast suggested otherwise, so i'm just gonna stay away from that.
If i Do Tbol, since it has a 16hr half-life, i'd run it @ 40-60mg for 6 weeks split into 1 or 2 doses[1,680mg-2,520mg] Price: $144 for 3000mg
If I use Anavar, since it has a half-life of 9 hrs, i'd run it at 50-70mg split into 2-3 doses for 10 weeks [3,500mg-4,900mg] Price: $360 for 5000mg
what do you guys think would help me reach my goal while keeping more gains? Also, would it hurt to add proviron on top of tbol/anavar?
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VewiIMO--Id switch to Mast E and add Proviron in this cycle 50mg ED the provrion--will prevent the aromatization of test. This means proviron will help test from converting into estor. it also lowers SHBG which allows for more total testosterone to become bioavailable--in short Proviron help releases more active testosterone into the bloodstream so you can get more of its benefits.
AnonJw why would u add proviron in with mast? Mast does the same thing in terms of freeing up test and lowering shbg and also has ai properties in itself and it probably does all this to a greater degree than provi, so care to explain?
Vewilike i said IMO.. looks like he is going for a hard finish.. Proviron will get you hard as shit, so will mast e(or p) but if you take mast e (p) at a higher dose you will also burn more fat. --and while taking bot he more than likely will not need an AI either. just saying.
He wants a cutter there is not much better than what i said. the best IMO
tren a,mast p, test p, and proviron for an amazing hard finish.. great 8 week cycle before summer if your diet is in check.
oh and i'll just up my dose of the mast p to around 140mg EoD because I have 5 vials left over, so i'll just finish it off and wait til next time to use mast E.. no tbol or anavar is necessary since im using proviron correct? you were right about me trying to go for a hard finish. good shit bro!
Vewisounds good.. No tbol or anavar needed.. eat right and you will get the results you want.
aite fsho, i'll give proviron a shot and drop my AI on cycle. im going to update my cycle log, couldju check to make sure its good? also whats your take on HCG... should it be taken on cycle or blasted post cycle before pct
Vewithis cycle is light dont think you need it.. However, on cycle is best. but nothing wrong with a blast..
Keep you AI handy but i doubt you will need it.
alright thanks, its reassuring to have my cycle reviewed by a pro =P
My "first cycle" was with tbol, var and proviron. I actually liked it and had decent results.. It's not recommended due to liver issues and the fact that you've never used any of them. But personally, what I would do with your cycle and the orals you mentioned;
Keep the test e at 500/wk for 16 weeks
Switch to mast e 400-500/wk for 16 weeks
Turinabol 60mg tapered on and off (starting and ending at 30) for 1-6
Anavar same protocol as tbol for weeks 10-18 (ending .5 week before pct)
Proviron throughout the cycle at 25-50mg ed.
This is what I would do, not what you should do. Rule of thumb is add one compound per cycle. You have many other options other than orals. For instance look into tapering with test prop and mast prop. Personally I would do that with what I wrote above.
AnonYou seem a little light to me for the previous cycles you've ran so you might wanna look into your diet and training. As far as your cycle since your running test E I would get some mast E instead and use the mast prop to taper into pct. If you were to add tbol I would add it in the first 6 weeks to kickstart the long esters and no, there is no reason to add in proviron while running masteron since mast had ai effects itself
Well im a little light to you because my ultimate goal isn't to look like hulk... more like superman haha big and lean. but i already have mast p from my last bulk purchase so, i will consider that in the future. I definitely need to be on a 500 calorie surplus though, so i hear ya on the diet part. okay no proviron for me, i just wanted to add that to further lean me out. So tbol>anavar in this case?
AnonFor a lean bulk yes. It will provide slow steady mass gains without much bloat.
thanks bro +1