posted Fri, 08/09/2013 - 08:27
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So I did my second cycle. everything was so much better than my first. Until pct...fucked me up again mentally. N now Im done with it I have gained a whopping 5 lbs!!!! Yay. No yay. on cycle I was up to 200 looking cut too, now Im pretty much back to where I started along with moodiness, irritability, insecurity, paranoia. I have to be doing something wrong!!
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UFODef sounds like you just got high estrogen homie, shit happens to me and sucks. Nothin worse than super high estrogen. Thats why I take letro on cycle and thru pct. Yea everyone will say otherwise but I know my body and how quickly it converts into estrogen so I need a super powerful AI. And nothing makes it worse than not getting along with the old lady man so that prob has a lot to do with mood. Hell bro, you think you had it bad? Im about to come off a 7 month run where I used tren and deca. PCT starts today. FML
Boxjumpyour nuts dood.. my buddy does the same shit.. he lives off of his cycle. hey do you think that after a few cycles. with the proper pct you can stop forever and be ok?
My body also has a high test to estrogen conversion rate, I feel you bro.
Do you run any AI off/between cycles to keep your gains?
UFONaw, I usually run it through PCT then stop and get blood tested. If my bloods show my levels are a little high, I dose an AI until I get my levels down to normal then stop. Shouldnt be any reason to run AIs off cycle.
How far along are you into PCT?
Tonight is the last day
Well run some bloods in a few weeks.. hopefully everything comes out okay.. You could try what wagner is saying next time.. You won't know if it'll work better for you unless you try.. Could be the clomid or could just be how you respond to extreme drops in hormone levels after stopping gear use.. Keep us posted after this week of being off pct on mood etc
First cycle I didn't use a real ai, I used an otc. I felt this way for months after but thought it due to the no real ai. it could be the way I respond to levels but I hope not. Maybe my body just takes longer to reboot :-( idk
I can say from experience even when my test levels hit normal I still did not feel normal mentally for a while.. but it got better as time went on.. Going from wolverine testosterone levels to 0 then to low then to normal is one shitty roller coaster
Do you mean like the more cycles you did the better it was? N how long till you felt normal? Couple weeks? first cycle for me was like a couple months. I also don't even know if its my pct that making me feel this way or if its the relationship with my wife........
depends on my cycle.. deca or tren takes a lot longer than test.. I think that's for most people.. I wouldn't say the more cycles but as time went on I figured out more and more a very clean diet with no alcohol and busting my ass in the gym went a long way with telling my body to produce more test.. How are you feeling now? Any different since you dropped clomid and nolva?
Ya I was gonna run deca next too. I feel like shit. can barely eat Im so stressed n pissed. Feel like I got beat up. my wife n I been arguing so that just makes everything worse. Im tired of feeling like a bitch being nice n do all types of shit for someone that doesn't seem to give a shit. I feel so guilty if I gave up on my kids though. idk what Im gonna do bro
you sound like you have high estrogen lol. Chill out and take some arimidex bro
Adex even though Im off pct? rebound...?
I take it your wife knows what's going on? share with her your in the middle of pct.. my gf was a lot nicer for those few weeks when I told her lol.. I'd go with aromasin for you maybe but we still don't even know if it's elevated estro til bloods
Naw she doesn't know what's going on. I think if I told her, she wouldnt even believe me lmao. N if she did, she wouldn't even understand the whole concept, and even if she did!!! she would probably hit me with the same line I hit her with when she is on her period like right now. Idgaf that doesn't give you a justifiable reason to act like a fucking lazy bitch.
on the positive not aside from my corny pathetic marriage that Im in, ever since I stopped taking pct stuff, I feel pretty fucking great!!!
ohh well there you go! it might have been the clomid.. give the torem a try next time
Kind of scared of my next cycle. Especially cus I was gonna do deca. I might just cut with some mast prop n anavar instead
Yeah if you don't like harsh shut down stick to the other stuff.. EQ is a nice bulker too
I'm not really worried about that, more worried about how I will be mentally afterwards. especially if I do it without clomid...
lovely isnt it, thats what clomid does to me. i refuse to run a pct with clomid because of how it effects my emotional status.
So what do you do
i run toremifene and nolva. or triptorelin and toremifene. these both work for me. it isnt the most ideal PCT but clomid is something i just cant tolerate. also dont forget to run your pct AI
So do you think after Im done with clomid that I will feel better in a few days?
i cant say for you, but the emotional lows that clomid give me lingered the last time for quite a while it seemed. at leat 6-8 weeks. i followed up with just some toremifene for a little and felt great after about 4 days just on the toremifene
Man that's a long time. this shit got me ready to file divorce papers. idk if it the clomid or just this lame ass bitch but f it
its different for everyone. the way we matabolize or how sensitive we are to things. do not base your outcome on my experience.
Vewilol
Vewiwhats your PCT????
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 20/20/10/10
aromasin 12.5 eod
Vewiaromasin 12.5 eod change it to 6.25mg EOD
and add Proviron to your PCT